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quote:Andrew Nuttall, representing former Dep Chief Constable Peter Hayes and Assistant Chief Constable Stuart Anderson, said: "The levels of blood alcohol of the deceased are not relevant to either the cause of deaths or the cause of the disaster. Yeah what the hell does this mean?
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The preamble is pretty much on the level of "I'm not a homophobe, but", but in legalese: even in court they want total control of the narrative
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Feb 6, 2014 09:57
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I think he's trying to say that its the people who survived being drunks fault
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Feb 6, 2014 09:58
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I'm trying to figure out if the first quote has been butchered, and what they actually said was that Taylor determined that alcohol wasn't the cause of the disaster. The two quotes don't make any sense. It's disgusting that they're still pursuing that, even though it's loving obvious that it wasn't the cause. I hope they get questioned on why they were testing the blood-alcohol levels of 10 year olds. Considering the footage from the day shows that a lot of the Liverpool fans were helping the injured, I don't see how they'd be able to use drunken fans as a defense.
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irlZaphod posted:I'm trying to figure out if the first quote has been butchered, and what they actually said was that Taylor determined that alcohol wasn't the cause of the disaster. The two quotes don't make any sense. Because they literally have nothing else as a defense and they're grasping at the thinnest of thin straws. They cant exactly come out and say 'yeah we were literal idiots and should go to prison for a long time for covering this up.' Well I mean they could, but they wouldnt be high ranking police officers if they werent as slippery as a politician.
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jynxed posted:Dont know where to put this thought here was as good as any. Kind of angry and dyslexic but I have really tried to make it make sense and it has had a good few edits. This person posted in the UK megathread in DnD and I thought people who don't read that load of shite thread might like to read it. edit: if you haven't already, that Guardian article is an excellent, if harrowing read and well worth a look. stickyfngrdboy fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Feb 8, 2014 |
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Feb 8, 2014 00:25
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Thanks for the re-post i didnt know about this thread. The guardian is one of the most moving articles I have read, it pulls no punches and just about everyone I know who has read it had shed a few tears. It starts out with a tale I have heard variations of since then from a few different people and I personally think it deserves to be read, as it shows the scars of not just the 96 who died but those who survived, their family and even some of the emergency service personnel. edit: the contrast site is the HJC site I should have mentioned that. jynxed fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Feb 8, 2014 |
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Feb 8, 2014 17:57
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Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's a good read about how badly the police treat football fans http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/02/everyones-equal-eyes-law-unless-you-are-football-fan
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Feb 25, 2014 20:39
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The fresh inquests are gearing up https://www.gov.uk/government/news/attorney-general-issues-advisory-note-before-hillsborough-inquests-start
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St Evan Echoes posted:Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's a good read about how badly the police treat football fans This is a great read.
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St Evan Echoes posted:Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's a good read about how badly the police treat football fans That's alarming as hell.
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The police are just poo poo in general. Look at the met police commissioner or whatever he is (he has sir at the start of his name somehow) on news the other night. They literally refuse to accept they do wrong or those within their ranks do wrong. Corrupt, poo poo, cunts.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26778835
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'Suspects', ffs
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so inquests starting Monday but will be delayed after opening statements and opening parts of inquest (guessing jury selection etc) so the family can have access to pathology reports. Caught back end of interview on local news about the suspects, saying looking at various charges from misconduct in public office, perverting course of justice and manslaughter. I am not 100% sure on this but think they where saying IPCC had contacted familys and kept them in the loop, obviously they can not give details and nor should given that they have waited so long for this. 13 suspects 11 interviewed under caution and both past and present officers involved. Speculation: Duckenfield and Bettison are my safe bets from what I know of the case, I still cant believe that Bettison was chosen as Chief Constable of Merseyside a good few years back (1998? or so) and was in the job for a good few years despite his involvement. Other news is our neighbors across Stanley Park are to unveil a permanent memorial. Such a nice gesture by Everton who have stood by LFC on this from the very start realising it was not the supporters of one club but thousands in the local community affected. I had to write a presentation for a class of 11 year olds last night and going through the pictures of the day was so sad but maybe there will be an end in sight soon for not just the family of the 96 but also the people who where there and lives have never been the same since. Another link for those of you who are interested is the site Anne Williams who sadly passed away earlier in the year ran and focuses on her son Kevins story which brough up alot of questions that hopefully will be answered soon: http://hopeforhillsboroughjustice.wordpress.com/ jynxed fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Mar 28, 2014 |
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Mar 28, 2014 16:37
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Bettison was apparently also the guy who was in charge of smearing Stephen Lawrence and family. It's nice to know that the police have someone whose job is performing acts of literal evil.
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Mar 28, 2014 18:49
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If you haven't been following the Phone Hacking fallout you may not know but the people who covered up the Stephen Lawrence murder did the same on the Daniel Morgan murder http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rivate-eye.html
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Mar 28, 2014 19:28
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Class move by Everton to once again offer their support of the Hillsborough 96.
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Akbar posted:Class move by Everton to once again offer their support of the Hillsborough 96. They've always been brilliant re: Hillsborough, Bill Kenwright's speech last year was incredibly heartfelt and wonderful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK-DKzc3rmI
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Red Star Baldgreg posted:They've always been brilliant re: Hillsborough, Bill Kenwright's speech last year was incredibly heartfelt and wonderful Not sure if everyone knows this but the FA cup final that year was poignant it was Liverpool V Everton and there was just about zero segregation in the crowd. I think we where both allocated ends like usual but as you can imagine tickets where bought for family and friends of whom ever the 'other lot' where. To show a togetherness and as an act of defiance against all the BS that the cops and press had come out with Merseyside Merseyside was sang. There was also a scarves across Stanley Park event shortly after where the gates of Gooderson where linked to the Kop but I think 4000 scarves, creating 'The Chain of Unity'. Kenwright has lead the way and I cant fault him on the way he has handled Hillsborough the speech Red Star Baldgreg mentioned along with the tribute at Gooderson last year (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtoaos_everton-jft96-hillsborough-tribute_people) was a great gesture and a memorial is a class act. Just scanning through his Wiki which says his involvement on the board prior to his Chairmanship goes back to 1989 so it would mean he really has stood shoulder to shoulder on this one. Rivalry seem so petty with something as serious as this and its great that it has been put aside. jynxed fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Mar 29, 2014 |
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So jury was chosen yesterday and this time family members will be able to make a short statement(pen portrait) to the court about their loved ones who died that day. Something that was not included previously and I think is showing the courts sensitivity to this case. The other big change is the fact that the inquest will determine cause of death for each individual victim and not an en mass dead by 3.15 accidental death.
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David Conn @david_conn 3m #Hillsborough Inquest: Policeman above Leppings Lane believed there was a crush, tried to radio control room, "but could not get through."
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http://hillsboroughinquests.independent.gov.uk/hearings/ The pen portraits are really hard to read. 
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This is a good site to keep updated Liverpool Echo Inquest. If you are not from Merseyside the Echo has done all it can over the years to highlight the injustices and lies of the day, I think it was Brian Reade now of The Mirror who started the reporting it in the Echo at the time and to his credit continued to support the family by asking unanswered questions when he went to The Mirror, so long before the HIP reports. I helped write a presentation recently for my husbands form to give a school assembly on - I know more about it than him, he is not from Merseyside so only really found out after me arguing with him until he read some articles containing very compelling whiteness statements (this was pre independent panel). I guess like many who had not followed it still thought there 'must have been some wrong doing from the supporters and the police just wouldnt do that', he changed his mind as soon as he had read some of the things and educated himself. Anyway they told him to pick any topic so as its in the news with all the flaws that the original inquest missed along with the police cover-up he chose this subject, only to be told by the head it was too political. I seriously couldn't believe that from a school in the Merseyside area, we made sure everything that was in it had supporting evidence, there was no party politics, some about the role the emergency services played and it was nothing that had not been seen on the news over the last month or so. Its a shame that there are still some attitudes like this, refusing to educate kids on a local, highly topical, historical event that had huge ramifications not just personally for people involved but for our national sport. At least he got to give his form some lessons on it. jynxed fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 10, 2014 |
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Byolante posted:If you haven't been following the Phone Hacking fallout you may not know but the people who covered up the Stephen Lawrence murder did the same on the Daniel Morgan murder They are also connected to the police who planned to kidnap a security guard's wife so they could force him to steal cash from where he worked. This report detailing this was "accidentally" shredded along with all the other evidence relating to possible police corruption a couple of years ago, but the BBC found a copy some how. The amount of shredded evidence has been described as a "van load" of which this is just a single report so they'll find plenty more where that came from eventually.
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Not sure if this was posted yet, but ESPN's done a 30 for 30 documentary on the Hillsborough disaster: http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=hillsborough They're generally quite good documentaries. E: it airs next Tuesday
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The Guardian has a good rundown of some pretty nice tributes that are taking place around the ground this weekend:quote:English football will mark the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster this weekend with a series of commemorative tributes to the 96 Liverpool supporters who died. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/11/hillsborough-25th-anniversary-tributes-seven-minute-delays
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This Vietnamese fan site has a load of Hillsborough stuff uploaded. LFCTV | Hillsborough - The Documentary http://film.lfc.vn/hillsborough-the-documentary/ BBC | Hillsborough: Never Forgotten 2013 http://film.lfc.vn/hillsborough-never-forgotten-2013/ History Channel: Hillsborough Remembered http://film.lfc.vn/history-channel-hillsborough-remembered/ ITV3 | Hillsborough 1996 http://film.lfc.vn/hillsborough-1996-itv3/ BBC | Searching for the Truth http://film.lfc.vn/hillsborough-searching-for-the-truth/ BBC | How They Buried the Truth http://film.lfc.vn/how-they-buried-the-truth-2013/ MOTD on the Hillsborough Disaster & 7 mins live footage of the match http://motd.lfc.vn/hillsborough-disaster-on-motd/ Channel 5 | The Truth About Hillsborough http://film.lfc.vn/channel-5-the-truth-about-hillsborough/ ITV1 | Hillsborough: The Search for Truth http://film.lfc.vn/itv1-hillsborough-the-search-for-truth/
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I am not sure what to write here today I have shown my feelings on this issue previously on this forum but feel something should today of all days be posted. Today I went to the memorial, I dont go every year but have on the years I was able. Whilst I am not a religious person I go to show my support to those who's lives will never be the same and to the poor familys who lost a loved one going to something as trivial as a football match and because if we are being honest it could have easily been anyone who went to a match back then. I also go because I believe it has to continue have a visible public backing until something finally gets done and by going to the service you are showing it still does matter to some. Bill Shankly once said: 'Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that', its a quote I always liked and its how alot of us maybe feel when we watch our teams play, I get so carried away and against city at the weekend I was emotionally drained at the final whistle. Today though puts this quote in a different perspective and you realise it really is, at the end of the day no matter how much we love our respective football teams, trivial against the backdrop of the human suffering people when through. Today I was glad I went, when Trevor Hicks and Margret Aspinall spoke there really was a sense of something begin done about the mess that was made by the authorities on that day and they days following, that there is maybe a light at the end of the tunnel for them. Although there has been false dawns before hopefully, the HiP report publication and in the wake of that the new investigations it really is the beginning of the end. jynxed fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Is there anywhere online to view the entire memorial service in full? The LFC website only seems to have clips.
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Popehoist posted:Is there anywhere online to view the entire memorial service in full? The LFC website only seems to have clips. This is currently reairing the memorial. http://www.liverpoolfc.com/video/live/live-tv Edit: Also, for Americans, ESPN is airing a 30 for 30 documentary today called Hillsborough at 8 PM ET.
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While I might not be his biggest fan I thought this was a nice touch http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2029920-russell-brand-sues-the-sun-uses-the-money-to-make-hillsborough-donation
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Bling Bling posted:Well-done. But incredibly hard to watch. The police officer in charge: gently caress. I honestly don't think I can watch much more of this. It's just so incredibly unsettling.
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Watching it right now. This is extremely well done.
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The doc just got finished airing here in the States, and holy poo poo it was...many things. Moving, maddening, but above all very, very good. Do whatever you can to get a hold of it (apparently I read it can't be officially aired in the UK until after the new inquest is completed next year due to contempt-of-court laws, but as it was a BBC co-production it'll doubtlessly be aired then). You won't be disappointed.
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I am a wreck after that. I always thought I understood Hillsbororugh and the calls for justice, I had no clue...
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If anyone hasn't seen the BBC Panorama doc on Hillsborough, you should watch it immediately. I didn't really "get" hillsborough before that, and it's appalling. You can find it on youtube.
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