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Ahz posted:$4 well spent. I tell myself I would like to do a full re-read before MoL, but it wont happen. Mine took 6 months. And the book 9/10 blues hit hard...
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I might re-read the re-read on Tor's site over the month or so before AMoL's release, just to refresh myself on who's where and why.
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Sep 23, 2012 00:53
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Same. I've read all the books and re-read some, but drat, does it get crazy messy. Sometimes i wish there was a nice excel spreadsheet with all the relationships and whatnot cross referenced.
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Sep 23, 2012 01:37
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Smashurbanipal posted:Same. I've read all the books and re-read some, but drat, does it get crazy messy. Sometimes i wish there was a nice excel spreadsheet with all the relationships and whatnot cross referenced. Seriously? http://www.encyclopaedia-wot.org/ I dunno maybe you were joking, it's hard to tell anymore.
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:There are a million things like this and they all rule. My favorite thing is how Thom assassinated Taringail Damodred. Not just because Thom is a badass player of Daes Dae'mar, but because he then went on to bang Taringail's wife AND his sister, and that's just rubbing salt in the wound.
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Sep 23, 2012 09:31
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Ponsonby Britt posted:My favorite thing is how Thom assassinated Taringail Damodred. Not just because Thom is a badass player of Daes Dae'mar, but because he then went on to bang Taringail's wife AND his sister, and that's just rubbing salt in the wound. I love that he also killed the king of Caheiren. Its one of those bits that can be glossed over.
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Sep 23, 2012 10:00
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Ponsonby Britt posted:My favorite thing is how Thom assassinated Taringail Damodred. Not just because Thom is a badass player of Daes Dae'mar, but because he then went on to bang Taringail's wife AND his sister, and that's just rubbing salt in the wound. He also went on to assassinate Barthanes. If you're a Damodred and you meet Thomdril Merrilin you're getting stabbed, and it's a good job for Moiraine that he fancied using pork instead of steel in her case.
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Sep 23, 2012 10:34
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Barthanes was probably killed by Darkfriends (maybe even Verin), IIRC.
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Jedit posted:He also went on to assassinate Barthanes. If you're a Damodred and you meet Thomdril Merrilin you're getting stabbed, and it's a good job for Moiraine that he fancied using pork instead of steel in her case. Bahaha. gently caress I didn't even realize how badass Thom is; I've always loved reading his arcs, but it never registered to me much of a badass he is. I've been reading this series since I was...10? I've reread this series so many times but now I'm worried I've been missing a lot 
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Something I haven't seen discussed in the prologue spoiler talks: What the hell happened to Graendal? Is she in a new body or did she just get that hosed up by/as her punishment? There's probably something about this mirroring a little of the real mythology as well for extra irony, couldn't have happened to a nicer person. Moggy giggling from schadenfreude was the best part  And I assume it was her in the silk dress that met with Isam, as he did not recognize her and she'd have every reason to be pissed off at Rand.
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Sep 23, 2012 16:42
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I think my favorite part of the prologue was the quick reference that Moridin went and rescued Lanfear from the finns himself. I like to imagine he just went in there and wrecked poo poo then killed Lanfear to boot.
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api call girl posted:Barthanes was probably killed by Darkfriends (maybe even Verin), IIRC. Well, there goes a perfectly good joke, sacrificed on the altar of Spergy Pedantry. 
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Jedit posted:Well, there goes a perfectly good joke, sacrificed on the altar of Spergy Pedantry. No worries, because what Thom actually did was kill Galladrian in a rage after Galladrian sent assassins to Thoms apartment and killed his lover when Rand (a mysterious outland "noble" who snubbed the king's invitation) was spotted leaving his room. Thom Merrilin singlehandedly began the Carheinin civil war. Then went on a bender that didn't end until he was found by Mat in Tar Valon. There's a joke in there somewhere I'm sure.
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Thom certainly proves that you don't need to be a channeler to stir up some serious poo poo. I can only imagine his Shadow counterpart: A non-channeler Chosen that didn't have any special magical powers... That would be a truly scary character  Just sits around castle Doomdeathdark playing cards, drinking and being smug as gently caress around the other Chosen (well, everyone - but especially them). Drops cryptic foreshadowing comments in every scene he's in; "Imagine three Ta'veren on the edge of a cliff... " 
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Lyon posted:I think my favorite part of the prologue was the quick reference that Moridin went and rescued Lanfear from the finns himself. I like to imagine he just went in there and wrecked poo poo then killed Lanfear to boot. Does anyone else think it's funny how Graendal keeps not dying? At the end of Gathering Storm everyone thinks she's dead because of ultra-balefire, but ToM begins with her in the prologue. And at the end of ToM everyone thinks Moridin kills her, but there she is again in the prologue. The epilogue will have her crawling out of the rubble of Mount Dhoom or something.
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Sep 23, 2012 20:37
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I thought Graendal DID die and was resurrected in her new ugly body.
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Paytizzle posted:I thought Graendal DID die and was resurrected in her new ugly body. This is my interpretation as well.
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I was talking more about perma-dying, since that's what I thought both times. In Gathering Storm it was balefire so I figured that's that, and in ToM her dying for reals seemed to fit with her story in that book.
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TGS didn't fool me for a second about Graendal. As soon as I read that scene my second thought (after "holy poo poo Rand is gonna blow up the world") was, there's no way I'd have gotten all this buildup about sneaky sneaky Graendal for her to get offed like that. Was I the only one?
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Eric the Mauve posted:TGS didn't fool me for a second about Graendal. As soon as I read that scene my second thought (after "holy poo poo Rand is gonna blow up the world") was, there's no way I'd have gotten all this buildup about sneaky sneaky Graendal for her to get offed like that. Was I the only one? I thought that Rand had done exactly what he'd said he'd done. Sat down at the table, pretended to play the game, and then punched his opponent in the face. I was suprised when Graendal survived.
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 UK gets the prologue on 10/2 quote:Orbit UK is thrilled to announce that we can release an early ebook edition of “By Grace and Banners Fallen”, the prologue to A MEMORY OF LIGHT [UK | ANZ] on 2 October 2012, ahead of publication of the hardback next January. This early ebook version of the prologue will be available in the UK, Australia, New Zealand and all our international markets where Orbit UK digital editions are usually sold. And by early ebook version, they mean 2 weeks later than everybody else. 
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ElMudo posted:I thought that Rand had done exactly what he'd said he'd done. Sat down at the table, pretended to play the game, and then punched his opponent in the face. I was suprised when Graendal survived. Yeah, that was all kinds of bullshit with her pulling a completely new and unheard of "move" out from her rear end. Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Sep 24, 2012 |
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Sep 24, 2012 18:52
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Pimpmust posted:Yeah, that was all kinds of bullshit with her pulling a completely new and unheard of "move" out from her rear end. What, showing how the Shadow uses their Shadoweyes (ravens, rats, etc.) is just explaining/embellishing a mechanic that was already there.
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api call girl posted:What, showing how the Shadow uses their Shadoweyes (ravens, rats, etc.) is just explaining/embellishing a mechanic that was already there. It's not quite explaining, because according to the old mechanic the Shadoweyes actually had to report. It is a pretty reasonable embellishment of it though: presumably the standard mechanic applies to Myrdrall and this one to users of the TP.
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Here is Jason from dragonmount.com waxing poetic about the final version of the book he just finished reading. There's no spoilers contained in his pseudo-review. Edit: Having said that, if you plan to go into media blackout until the book is realeased, don't read it. There are a few sentences that mention names. Nothing earthshattering, but still. It owns, thats all you need to know. http://www.dragonmount.com/index.php/News/amol/dear-robert-jordan quote:Dear Robert Jordan, Cartoon Man fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Sep 24, 2012 |
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Sep 24, 2012 19:31
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Cartoon Man posted:
Mentioning the UK and then using an american dating scheme almost made me pop a blood vessel when I thought for an instant we weren't even getting the early prologue until halfway through February
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Willie Tomg posted:No worries, because what Thom actually did was kill Galladrian in a rage after Galladrian sent assassins to Thoms apartment and killed his lover when Rand (a mysterious outland "noble" who snubbed the king's invitation) was spotted leaving his room. I love how Moiraine knows both this and that he was responsible for Taringail's death. e: V Absolutely, and he's very impressed in return that she picked up on it V RembrandtQEinstein fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Sep 25, 2012 |
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RembrandtQEinstein posted:I love how Moiraine knows both this and that he was responsible for Taringail's death. It's a mark in his favor if anything. She has a fairly disdainful opinion of the rest of her family.
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Cartoon Man posted:Here is Jason from dragonmount.com waxing poetic about the final version of the book he just finished reading. There's no spoilers contained in his pseudo-review. I'm not gonna lie, I teared up a little reading that. Also (really minor chapter spoiler) a 50,000 word chapter!? Holy poo poo, that is going to be loving epic.
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api call girl posted:Barthanes was probably killed by Darkfriends (maybe even Verin), IIRC. He was "torn to pieces" which (on a reread) I always assumed to be an early gholam attack. It's when he says he "has one more person to kill" and then finds out Barthanes is already dead. Then Zara tells him they aren't Barthanes men anyways, and he heads off to kill Galldrian. (I didn't remember all of this, I'm looking at the book, so I know it's accurate) Popular Human posted:I'm not gonna lie, I teared up a little reading that. Also (really minor chapter spoiler) a 50,000 word chapter!? Holy poo poo, that is going to be loving epic. To be fair, if it's a Sanderson chapter, it doesn't really mean much. He likes to bounce around viewpoints during battle scenes and climax chapters. And RJ did it to an extent as well in a few places, though not with as much frequency as BS. subx fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Sep 25, 2012 |
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subx posted:To be fair, if it's a Sanderson chapter, it doesn't really mean much. He likes to bounce around viewpoints during battle scenes and climax chapters. And RJ did it to an extent as well in a few places, though not with as much frequency as BS. RJ's combat scenes always had that feeling of realness to them (perhaps from his real life combat experience). You don't get the full picture, poo poo goes down everywhere, the characters aren't in control of the flow and suddenly it's over (See the Mat bits in the battle for Cairhien). You get a couple of jumps to advance time faster but the other characters usually don't know that much more than any other. Other ways of doing combat scenes might be more coherent or "awesome" but I rather like RJ's style.
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subx posted:He was "torn to pieces" which (on a reread) I always assumed to be an early gholam attack. It's when he says he "has one more person to kill" and then finds out Barthanes is already dead. Then Zara tells him they aren't Barthanes men anyways, and he heads off to kill Galldrian. (I didn't remember all of this, I'm looking at the book, so I know it's accurate) This would be pretty early for the gholam. Remember the Barthanes event is even before the time-forward-skip with the portal stones, so this, chronologically, is WAY the HELL early, even before most of the second batch of Forsaken have had time to establish themselves, much less go hunting for stasis boxes in their spare time. For reference, I think this is about the same time Rahvin is establishing himself as a fighter for Morgase in the presumably Whitecloak-instigated riots in Caemlyn. quote:To be fair, if it's a Sanderson chapter, it doesn't really mean much. He likes to bounce around viewpoints during battle scenes and climax chapters. And RJ did it to an extent as well in a few places, though not with as much frequency as BS. From what I can remember, when BS actually hits a battle scene or climax he tends to do it with just the one POV all the way through whatever the scene is.
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RJ wrote combat scenes with a veteran's perspective: chaotic, violent, fragmented, and often in partial flashback. The narrating character in a Jordan battle usually doesn't have a drat clue what's going on until several days afterwards. Sanderson writes battle scenes in a more cinematic style, because his experience of battles comes via film and as a storyteller. His viewpoint characters tend to act more as cameras that tell the story, instead of confused narrators trying to piece the story together. Both can be "awesome" but they work along different mechanics. It's Stanley Kubrick/Apocalypse Now battle sequences vs. Peter Jackson/Return of the King battle sequences. Jordan's more visceral, Sanderson's more dramatic. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Sep 25, 2012 |
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Popular Human posted:I'm not gonna lie, I teared up a little reading that. Also (really minor chapter spoiler) a 50,000 word chapter!? Holy poo poo, that is going to be loving epic. What is this, a Malazan book? Dang that'll be ridiculous.
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Chapter 1: Eastward the Wind Blew http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/09/read-qeastward-the-wind-blewq-the-first-chapter-of-a-memory-of-light You'll need to register. I'm trying to get the chapter to load, but either its messed up on their side, or my work internet is blocking it. EDIT: Ok, its fixed now, go go GO! Double edit: Skimmed through it...   
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Sep 26, 2012 14:26
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Cartoon Man posted:
I really, really like Rand in this chapter.
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Cartoon Man posted:
Ok, now I'm really, really excited for this book. Everyone's going to be in the same place again, and it's going to be intense as hell.
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Wow that was a good first chapter, I like how Sanderson really dives right into the story. No time to waste! Rand and Perrin are awesome. I also like that Egwene has a legitimate reason for opposing Rand and has done research to back up her position.
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