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I just can't bring myself to read the prologue or first chapter; I want everything to be fresh when I get the book in my hands, and its getting harder and harder to resist the black bars. I think it may be time to quit the thread for a few months.
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Sep 26, 2012 17:55
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Sep 26, 2012 18:01
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Haraksha posted:I feel like they've released the beginning of the chapter before. Brandon read it at Comicon and Tor posted it online afterward.
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Sep 26, 2012 18:02
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Haha, I like how Nynaeve can now just HEAL BLAST from range.
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Sep 26, 2012 18:41
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I really love Rand's thoughts on Demandred researching war back in the AOL and how they really had almost nothing to go by.
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Sep 26, 2012 19:45
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Cartoon Man posted:I really love Rand's thoughts on Demandred researching war back in the AOL and how they really had almost nothing to go by. And him coming to the conclusion that he turned Demandred to the shadow basically by being a twat to him. Wish this had been reflected somehow by Rand alienating a potential ally through arrogance. Anyway I read it at work and didn't even feel bad about it. So psyched for this. It.. kinda sorta.. somehow feels like Jordan is still better at characterisation and conversations between characters but Sanderson is young and I am thrilled to have such a hard working and awesome writer to follow for the rest of my adult years.
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Sep 26, 2012 20:22
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When Nynaeve Healed Talmanes, I couldn't help but imagine the weaves bursting from her chest Care Bears style. I think that's how I'm going to picture Healing from here on out.
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Sep 26, 2012 20:39
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I made a somewhat more disturbing mental connection   (Be afraid people who don't read the spoilers, be very afraid)
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Sep 26, 2012 21:50
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Affi posted:And him coming to the conclusion that he turned Demandred to the shadow basically by being a twat to him. Wish this had been reflected somehow by Rand alienating a potential ally through arrogance. You mean basically everyone Rand encounters, right? Because throughout the books that's precisely what he's best at. And everyone who reads these books (these forums not excepted) would pretty much always take the position that Rand's not arrogant enough. How dare these mere peasants etc etc their lord and savior? Oh, and also Taim. You could draw a pretty good case of Taim not always having been a false flag operator. I mean, you manage to keep yourself more or less sane for a decade's worth of channeling, escape a bunch of Aes Sedai, trek through miles of danger and right through a heavily Saldaean-guarded city that hates your guts, to bring a SEAL and yourself to a promised amnesty from someone you had hoped to be mere months before, and the first thing he does is push you away from where the action is and tells you to start an entire school for him for which he will eventually get all the credit, and shows up at every opportunity to slight you at every turn, all the while doing the conquering himself. Christ, I'd have pulled a Demandred myself. It gets so I wonder if Rand will apologize to M'Hael before killing him. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Sep 27, 2012 |
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Sep 27, 2012 00:35
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Prologue owned. Chapter 1 owned. This book will probably own. I am so excited for this book and it can't come out soon enough.
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Sep 27, 2012 01:04
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Honestly, coming from book 10 of a reread into this, I STILL think Sanderson is a phenomenally clunky writer a lot of the time. Examples being: Brandon Sanderson posted:They went out into the night. Several Maidens fell into step behind them as Rand walked toward Sebban Balwer, whose services Perrin had loaned to Rand. Which was fine with Balwer, who was prone to gravitate toward those holding the greatest power. Weird rhythm, a sentence starting with WHICH right after the previous, which makes for a really awkward transition. Tacked on expository bits or characterization which would stand better as separate sentences, etc. He's got this really bad habit of forming sentences as "RELEVANT NARRATIVE <COMMA> AWKWARDLY SHOEHORNED EXTRA INFO" Brandon Sanderson posted:The Queen wore a pale green dress, her belly increasingly swollen from the babes within. Who has ever used the word swollen in this context? Wtf? Brandon Sanderson posted:Sure as the wind and the sky, Perrin had become a king. This is an awful sentence. Don't get me wrong, I will enjoy this book and I will be pre-ordering the next Stormlight, but there's a lot of improvement to be made in Sanderson's word choice and sentence construction. This entire chapter is full of bizarre fragments and bad transitions. He only pays the briefest lip service to any sort of visual description, but maybe that's just compensation for RJ's craziness. Regardless, "pale green dress" is a worthless descriptor and if that's as far as you're going to take it, you might as well not bother.
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AlternateAccount posted:Who has ever used the word swollen in this context? Wtf? https://www.google.com/search?q=swollen+pregnant+belly
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Sep 27, 2012 01:40
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Brandon Sanderson should write the last 1-3 books for every epic fantasy series. Avalanches as far as the eye can see!
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Sep 27, 2012 02:15
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I cannot wait to read the part where Moraine pops up and says, "sup bitches? Guess who's back from the dead?"
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Sep 27, 2012 02:45
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api call girl posted:You mean basically everyone Rand encounters, right? Because throughout the books that's precisely what he's best at. And everyone who reads these books (these forums not excepted) would pretty much always take the position that Rand's not arrogant enough. How dare these mere peasants etc etc their lord and savior?
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Sep 27, 2012 02:51
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veekie posted:More likely, it's still entirely justifiable(if wrong) paranoia and insanity. He did get started by trying to push all his friends away, keeping only his enemies close, and then from there, started applying how he treats his foes to pretty much everyone. Plus a power trip. That's what arrogance is. Oh and I just realized another parallel. Mesaana was originally denied a research position at the Collam Daan and had to go be a school administrator/teacher.
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Sep 27, 2012 04:54
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I've half convinced myself that Luc and Isam are the same person, physically at least. They seem to have different looks, different personalities, but bits here and there tend to convince me otherwise.
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Sep 27, 2012 06:09
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Cartoon Man posted:I'm just glad to see that Rand and Perrin are bros again. Same. Can not wait for Mat to join in on the brofest 
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Skellen posted:I've half convinced myself that Luc and Isam are the same person, physically at least. They seem to have different looks, different personalities, but bits here and there tend to convince me otherwise. Wait... so do we think that Ben and Glory are connected somehow?
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Sep 27, 2012 08:07
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api call girl posted:You mean basically everyone Rand encounters, right? I meant as in Rand turning someone to the shadow directly through his actions and arrogance. (I realize he distances himself from allies through his arrogance) Taim doesn't count because he is obviously a dreadlord when they first meet.
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Sep 27, 2012 08:08
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Ponsonby Britt posted:Wait... so do we think that Ben and Glory are connected somehow? Only if Moiraine is Giles 
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Sep 27, 2012 09:28
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Affi posted:I meant as in Rand turning someone to the shadow directly through his actions and arrogance. (I realize he distances himself from allies through his arrogance) Taim doesn't count because he is obviously a dreadlord when they first meet. Taim is not that obviously a dreadlord until somewhat later, when he starts associating with the actual obvious dreadlords.
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Sep 27, 2012 13:22
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I read that spoiler about Nynaeve at the top of the page. Peace out everybody, see you after I've read the book!
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Sep 27, 2012 13:59
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Am I alone in thinking that Rand has no actual intention of breaking the seals on the day he states? I think he knows they must be broken, but he isn't ready to do it yet. He stated that he would do it that day for two reasons:
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ElMudo posted:Am I alone in thinking that Rand has no actual intention of breaking the seals on the day he states? I think he knows they must be broken, but he isn't ready to do it yet. He stated that he would do it that day for two reasons: Quite likely yes. The true purpose of the whole event was to get everybody in the same place, united in strength. What they unite for is less important than uniting, the Dark One thrives on discord.
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Sep 27, 2012 14:40
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My guess on Taim is he had training in the blight village of Aiel, which is why he used the "so-called Aiel" line. This is a town so they must be making deals with the dark one to remain sane enough to be dread lords, he probably made the same deal, which is also why he knows so many weaves for killing that he teaches the Asha'man.
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Sep 27, 2012 17:34
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uugengiven posted:My guess on Taim is he had training in the blight village of Aiel, which is why he used the "so-called Aiel" line. This is a town so they must be making deals with the dark one to remain sane enough to be dread lords, he probably made the same deal, which is also why he knows so many weaves for killing that he teaches the Asha'man. The first is neither here nor there, but you'd think that any Darkfriend who goes there would be acutely aware that THOSE aren't the real Aiel and that's why they're over there and the second well uh, unless you're saying that every single False Dragon who could channel in the past 3000 years have gone through dreadlord training as a Darkfriend, including Logain, well.
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Sep 27, 2012 18:16
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Democratic Pirate posted:gently caress yeah Talmanes I don't really have much to add, but I broke down and bought the prologue. And this quoted post sums up my feelings after finishing. drat, that was impressive.
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Sep 27, 2012 18:30
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thrawn527 posted:I don't really have much to add, but I broke down and bought the prologue. And this quoted post sums up my feelings after finishing. drat, that was impressive. Help us convince Maytag to become a Darkfriend... 
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Sep 27, 2012 19:06
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api call girl posted:The first is neither here nor there, but you'd think that any Darkfriend who goes there would be acutely aware that THOSE aren't the real Aiel and that's why they're over there and the second well uh, unless you're saying that every single False Dragon who could channel in the past 3000 years have gone through dreadlord training as a Darkfriend, including Logain, well. Taim has been mentioned again and again as holding off the madness the longest of any known man by far. That was one of the main arguments for him being Demandred. I don't know why that village wouldn't think of themselves as the 'true' Aiel, since what we know as the Aiel are just as false. No one self identifies as the fake version of a group. They are the real ones, everyone else is a pretender. I would bet that any darkfriend that goes to the village and tells them that they aren't the real Aiel are suddenly liquified.
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Sep 27, 2012 19:42
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I can't believe it took me so long to realize why Lanfear should still be alive and important to the story. If Rand wants to close up the bore so that it's as perfectly sealed as he can make it, who better to help than the person who created the bore in the first place?
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Sep 27, 2012 22:01
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Recursive Expanse posted:I can't believe it took me so long to realize why Lanfear should still be alive and important to the story. I don't know...from the first chapter posted, it seems like Rand wants to do something more drastic than just closing the Bore/resealing it. Like, he wants to kill the DO or something. At least that's what I gleaned from his inner dialogue.
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Sep 27, 2012 22:09
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uugengiven posted:Taim has been mentioned again and again as holding off the madness the longest of any known man by far. That was one of the main arguments for him being Demandred. I don't know why that village wouldn't think of themselves as the 'true' Aiel, since what we know as the Aiel are just as false. No one self identifies as the fake version of a group. They are the real ones, everyone else is a pretender. I would bet that any darkfriend that goes to the village and tells them that they aren't the real Aiel are suddenly liquified. Simple, the Aiel are pledged to serve the Aes Sedai. The only Aes Sedai of their era that remain are the Forsaken.
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uugengiven posted:My guess on Taim is he had training in the blight village of Aiel, which is why he used the "so-called Aiel" line. This is a town so they must be making deals with the dark one to remain sane enough to be dread lords, he probably made the same deal, which is also why he knows so many weaves for killing that he teaches the Asha'man. This makes sense to me. Hopefully we get a Taim POV in MOL to fill in more of his backstory and motivations.
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The Midniter posted:I don't know...from the first chapter posted, it seems like Rand wants to do something more drastic than just closing the Bore/resealing it. Like, he wants to kill the DO or something. At least that's what I gleaned from his inner dialogue. Yeah, the awkward dangly sentence that was basically BUT COULD SOMETHING SO AUDACIOUS ACTUALLY WORK!??!! just sort of teased in the most awful way.
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I am so impressed by the bait and switch pulled in the description of the prologue. What was it - a Forsaken stands newly revealed? How many people were NOT expecting Demandred to finally pull his cloak and mask off and tell those meddling kids that he would have gotten away with it, too. I was genuinely surprised by that reveal. AlternateAccount posted:Yeah, the awkward dangly sentence that was basically BUT COULD SOMETHING SO AUDACIOUS ACTUALLY WORK!??!! just sort of teased in the most awful way. He's gonna completely destroy the Dark One's prison and because the Dark One himself embodies paradox, freeing him will actually trap him. Wordplay, bitch.
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I've been Audiobooking the series in anticipation of the latest book being released, I'm up to book seven and I think I've realized the exact moment the plot goes off the rails - right when RJ starts describing how Aes Sedai rank themselves in priority because half of this book so far had just been "NUH UH I outrank YOU" so far. Giving serious consideration to just skipping to book 11 which is a shame because the audio performance has gotten very very good since its shaky start.
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Tithin Melias posted:I've been Audiobooking the series in anticipation of the latest book being released, I'm up to book seven and I think I've realized the exact moment the plot goes off the rails - right when RJ starts describing how Aes Sedai rank themselves in priority because half of this book so far had just been "NUH UH I outrank YOU" so far. Giving serious consideration to just skipping to book 11 which is a shame because the audio performance has gotten very very good since its shaky start. This leads to a question: How does an organization with such an idiotic ranking system maintain the sort of control the Aes Sedai have over the kings of Randland? Stupid but powerful people would be constantly coming in and screwing everything up.
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