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Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


So... I just decided to look in to the Navy Reserve because my job sucks and learning something new seemed good. I got a 97/99 in the test today. I dont even know were to begin to narrow down what I should look at.
So my question is... Is anybody unhappy with a field they went into? Anything I should pass up as full of poo poo even if it sounds good? I'm considering MA due to some police academy schooling but thats about all I got so far. Not interested in anything HSLD/combat oriented. I'm giving some sort of trade be it electrical or mechanical a thought as something that would help me outside.

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Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


poopkitty posted:

MAs are unhappy. Or they're dicks. Often both. They don't have my rate in the reserves. Be an HT.

What is HT? I'm reading every navy rating tonight.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


MancXVI posted:

gently caress the police

HT = hull technician. They deal with shipboard maintenance like plumbing and welding poo poo (emphasis on plumbing and poo poo).

I'm an AT (avionics technician) and I enjoy the work. Staying in = becoming a babysitter, though, so I'm getting out to go to school.

Is HM more than handing out rubbers all day to stupid kids? HT looks pretty varied and interesting.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Nick Soapdish posted:

I know you said you wanted a trade however, any of the rates such as Information Dominance Warfare community (which as Intelligence Specialist, IT, CT - Crypto guys, and AG - weather guys) and all good. Plus, during your drill weekend, you can actually do some work that someone on active duty or the like might actually give a poo poo about (probably not really) instead of sitting in a classroom on facebook.

:chiefsay: Go IS

I.... I dont think I could pass a IS ssb due to my bio father being a piece of poo poo that at least got a green card when he married my mom and we have no idea after that once he took off.

HT, UT, MA, HM are on my list to ask more questions about.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


not caring here posted:

What your biological dad did considering you don't have any contact with him ain't gonna matter poo poo on a security clearance check.

Unless you cooked meth with him whilst knifing homeless dudes on cross country trips, then you might have some trouble.






Fuuuuuuuuuuck.





Nah, I've only met him once(for a day) about 10 years ago when I went to Mexicali to visit my 6 half brother and sisters through his other three ex wifes. Otherwise I have not had contact with him since I was 6 months old.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Nick Soapdish posted:

:chiefsay: Piggy backing on this point... :chiefsay:

If you can deal with the BS, you can get cheap, adequate healthcare, monthly beer money, and, if you pull a mobilization (1 year on active duty) you can get close to 80%? Post-9/11 GI Bill.

I would dis-sway you from MA (guarding a gate or running urinalysis) or HM (go to the Navy thread and listen to them bitch. HT and UT are rather similar but just different between shipboard (HT) and Seabees (UT). If memory serves correctly, Seabees are in the middle of a realignment (downsizing) so that might not be the best.

If you are looking for good skills, I would recommend IT, ET, AT, or MC (Mass Communication Specialist - Public Relations guys and there's a guy in the Navy thread who just posted about going to A School and now is in the yards.

Yikes. IT, ET, AT and MC are a bit out of my field of interest or experience. I'll check out the MC though.

The HM advice by Panasmores is .... interesting.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


I got all my paperwork in and just waiting for my physical on Friday. If I meet the background stuff for security I may have to really look hard at the cyber stuff.

How tough are the schools for that? Do they start at an high school level of understanding or right off the bat more advanced? I got a 97/99 so apparently I got some options.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


poopkitty posted:

Every Navy school assumes you are a mouth breathing moron, except for Nuke school. They assume you're a mouth breather with a HS degree and a good knowledge of math. You'll be fine in any rate you choose.

You don't know how relieving this is.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


not caring here posted:

There are people that fail out of the cyber warfare program, at least there's been more than a few army side.

Not that it really means much, but I suppose just don't gently caress around too much on your down time and you should be apples.

As an older gent, being payed to go to school is an unbelievable concept and I'd as soon nail my dick to the floor as waste that chance.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Got my physical on Friday. My biggest concern? Toenail fungus. I'm toast aren't I?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


A Kpro posted:

As long as your toes aren't literally falling off or they see that it doesn't affect your movement you should be good to go.

I love you. And while ugly it doesn't affect my running or agility the slightest.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Hekk posted:

So you were serious?


Don't get tricked into admitting you have been prescribed medicine to kill the fungus. As stupid as it is, they will stop processing while your recruiter runs around doctor's offices and hospitals searching for the medical records.

I asked my doctor about it years ago and they told me the cure(could damage your kidneys) was worse than the problem(cosmetic). So I dropped it and never did anything about it.

It doesn't appear to be a question on any of the medical forms but it's kinda hard to miss if you look at my toes. I just wanted to be prepared.

Crab Dad fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Apr 2, 2014

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Oxford Comma posted:

I refuse to believe that's the only place your body has fungus. :colbert:

You live close enough. We can prove this. Tonight.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


I go to MEPS tomorrow. Should I prelube or do they supply it?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Well I passed my physical with one exception. I got 20/20 vision in both eyes with normal color vision and depth perception but since I got LASIK (in 2005) didn't bother to keep records) they want their own doctor to inspect my eyes. Easy enough.

The guy in charge of financial waivers drove me loving nuts with his badgering on how much money my wife, a homemaker raising twins, brings to the table. He wouldn't tell me how much he wanted to see in my savings until he finally slipped up and said three times my monthly bills. Was that so hard? My mother in law had pledged her support in a waiver but worded it "whatever she needs" instead of numbered amount so that bounced back too. Once again he wouldn't straight up tell me what he wants to the differential to be so I had to play the guessing game until he said that was good enough. What the hell... So now I need rewritten statement from my mother in law pledging a 2k a month allowance while I'm at boot.

Called up my mother in law to tell her about the rewrite. No problem on her part and she's wiring 20k to our account to sit their and be used until I get back and so I can get a statement showing more savings. Thanks mom.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Godholio posted:

What the gently caress? I had like 15k in debt and didn't need a waiver, or a letter, or anything.

Beats me, people told me similar stuff about debt going in but this guy insists I prove I'm not a deadbeat dad running out on his family like the last mythical guy he swore had his waiver rejected for a similar reason and amount of dependents.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


It's a badge of shame.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Well my dependent waiver for three got accepted and the last thing they want is proof of finances. Got to print out a bank statement showing my savings and checking.
This seems like a lot of effort to join the navy reserves. Oh well.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Goddamn... My final waiver just got kicked back. They want proof of my wife making money under the table babysitting children for a princely sum of $200 a month.

9k cash in the bank
2k in our checking
House value 500k with a 150k mortgage
......
And my whole application rests on proof of my wife making $200 a month under the table. What the gently caress navy?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB



I wish but apparently it's above MEPS approval right now.


I just want to be a reservist. This is just silly.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Yeah I'm way too old for the marines, my only other option is the coast guard.

Perfect credit btw. I may be off by like 2-4ptz

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


40 and I just turned 37. Passed my physical and got 97 on the asvab. Coast Guard is 40. Marines is like 30 and army is 35. Didn't bother with the Air Force.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Godholio posted:

I meant they want to be sure you're not easily bribeable. Bribable? Whatever.

Hahah I handle up to (redacted) amounts of cash a day as an ATM tech. If I was gonna be a dirt bag that would have happened years ago.
Man I hate waiting for their response back.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB



Oodles and oodles? Bajillion? It's suppose to be a secret. Whatever.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


I never even heard any stories from my military coworkers about banging chicks in Iraq or Afghanistan. Heard on NPR about some dude bringing an Iraq sheiks daughter who then divorced him and became a stripper but otherwise nope.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


It's make your penis itchy isn't it?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


It's only fair. She probably gave him genital warts.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Chris Pynes Knob posted:

And what's the difference between Africanized aids and normal aids??

Usually about 2-3 inches.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


On a more serious note my final waver for my wife making $200 per month under the table in cold hard cash got accepted (at a level above MEPS). I'm taking the oath on Thursday for the navy reserve. Finally.


Hahahahahahahah the recruiters messed it up again and my poo poo got pushed back 10 more days at least.
This is a joke.

Crab Dad fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 3, 2014

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Mustang posted:

That's nothing dude. Day 1 at the Army recruiter they input my name into the system wrong, ie like Smith John instead of John Smith. Took a month and some paperwork to get my name changed to my real name.

Yeah I got a rather short one hour run around during my physical for them imputing my name wrong by one letter and put me down as full time navy (too old for it in any case).

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


That's pretty young. I'm going into Navy boot this winter at the grand old age of 37.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB



I'm going in as reserve e3 and IST A school. It's gonna be ... What do the young kids say these days? Hella rad.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Godholio posted:

Jesus Christ. Your high school peers will be RETIRING from the military before you finish training.

I know sad right? poo poo happens in life and sometimes you just need to retrain. The whole police thing didn't work out and the armored car industry was a dead end. I'm in good shape, the family life is stable and there's a huge market for system admins with clearance. I'll be making about the same money or slightly more than what I'm currently pulling while away at school.

Also I don't know of a single high school peer retiring from the military because the combat vets all separated early due to injuries and PTSD and the one officer I know of left way early. Actually I have one peer who can retire from the coast guard in five years but he's the only one I know of.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Godholio posted:

These...these should be red flags. I mean, it's probably past the point of convincing you of anything, but drat dude. I hope you're shooting for a 4-and-out and burn up the GI Bill?

Uh I'm doing the navy reserve. I wasn't offered a four year contract. I'm not even sure I'm eligible for GI bill benefits until I serve at least one call up.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


DoktorLoken posted:

You get the Reserve GI Bill, which is ~$360 a month plus whatever your state might kick in. Some states will get you a free ride to college while being a reservist.

Yeah I'll be looking into that ASAP to complete my BA.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

I'm pretty sure reservists come in at the 40% rate.

That's the number I heard but it was connected to being deployed for at least 12 months before I could tap it. A school time counts but not boot.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

12 months would put you at 60%. 24 months would put you at 80% and the VA considers initial entry training when calculating your service time.

I'm pretty sure you are correct. I don't have all my numbers in front of me and I'm extremely new to the "squeeze out as much as you can" game here.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Godholio posted:

There are a couple of things going on here. It's not a yes/no issue. It's also not up to the recruiter or MEPS or actually anyone in the DOD that decides. It's a separate agency called OPM.

They're not looking for people with perfect credit and a sparkling record. The default is basically "approved" unless there's a reason to deny it. They're looking for indications that you are untrustworthy or any other reason that giving you access is an unacceptable risk. With financial issues, if you have massive amounts of debt (you don't, based on your post), a bunch of awful decisions like 3 high internet car loans, or you magically receive large amounts of money they can't quickly identify (looking for bribe indications)...that's the kind of stuff they're looking for. If you're gradually sinking in debt but making efforts to dig yourself out, that just proves you're an American.

Having a bunch of stuff in collections may give the impression that you don't give a poo poo though, which could be bad. You might be able to include a letter explaining your situation and how you plan to fix this problem (that part is key, it shows responsibility & integrity). Remember, these decisions are made by people, not beepboops.

How large is large when dealing with magic money? My mother in law routinely gives us chunks (10k or less) of cash to help with our children's tuition. It's pretty easily traceable but just curious roughly what level throws up a flag.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Godholio posted:

It depends on the guy reading your paperwork. If it's easily explained, I wouldn't expect much of a problem. Clearance stuff isn't like getting prison waivers and poo poo...it's completely separate from the enlistment/accessions process, so the fact that the services are tightening up on people and getting competitive doesn't make a big difference. A few years ago, as long as you didn't have a murder or too many rapes on your record you could get in with little hassle. Now even one rape is too many, unless you're commissioning into the Air Force. But there's no real difference in how clearance checks are performed and approved/denied. It's not a weeding out process. I was part of the system for SCI clearance paperwork for a while, and when something weird came back we just had to get a letter from the individual explaining the issue and forwarded it on. I think I did that for like 18 months or so and at least 80 people...and only TWO people were ever denied access. One for an undisclosed issue (he retired shortly after, and I assume they two were related) and the other because his wife was from I think Russia.

Oh cool that sounds easy enough because it's all legit with a paper trail.

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Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


DoktorLoken posted:

There are some good opportunities (albeit hard to find) as a reservist to get experience outside of deployments. But yeah, nobody is going to take a straight out of initial training reservist with no other experience, short of say, linguists.

There are a lot of jobs in the Bay Area, CA for beginning IT people with security clearance. Most will train you for the specific job. The pay isn't outrageous and baby sitting servers isn't glamorous but it's a hell of lot better than retail.

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