Drug legalization thread

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Object in mirror: Jun 14, 2016

Sharkie posted:

Your funtime recreational activity is not equivalent to something that is a core part of a human's identity. If you can't understand this I pity you. Except for the fact that the day after 50 gay people were killed you've decided that LGBT people need to tone it down.

LorrdErnie posted:

I am in the community first off. I'm also a drug user and have friends in prison because of drug use. It's still not comparable. You're not any loving ally of mine if you're going to pull this sorta bullshit.

Using drugs and being gay are the same thing, really.

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Object in mirror: Jun 14, 2016

Majorian posted:

Except, here's the thing - drug users in this thread are vocally trying to diminish the importance of the LGBT rights movement, a day after 50 LGBT people were massacred for being LGBT. Whether you care to admit it or not, there is a difference between being persecuted for something you choose to do (smoke weed), and something you do not choose to do (be gay). They are both bad things, but a big part of life is that there are degrees of "bad things." Persecuting somebody for something innate to their being that they did not choose about themselves is, in and of itself, usually worse than persecuting somebody for a thing that they elect to do.

Now, add to that the fact that millions of LGBT people died painfully and without aid from AIDS, tens of thousands of LGBT people were murdered during the Holocaust, and were tortured, executed, or driven to suicide for thousands of years throughout human history, and you've got a far bigger picture than the one you've painted. I'm not saying that LGBT rights in the U.S. is a more important issue overall than ending the worldwide Drug War, because that's a very complicated statement. But what I am saying, is that your rights as a pot smoker? Compared to the rights of LGBT people to not be murdered for being who they innately are, I'm not terribly concerned about your right to smoke weed.

Source?

# ¿ Jun 14, 2016 05:39

Object in mirror: Jun 14, 2016

Majorian posted:

Holy God this is an unconvincing argument. The fact that you are not legally entitled to engage in a recreational activity is not a violation of your 14th amendment rights, if nobody else is legally entitled to do so either. The 14th amendment applies to the lgbt community because prohibitions on things like marriage equality do not recognize that they are entitled to the same rights as everybody else, and that immutable aspects of their being should not be barriers to having those rights protected.

And that's just from a legal perspective. Saying that they're "wrong for the same reason" is idiotic, because they're wrong on a moral level for completely different reasons.

Did they plead the 14th?? Someone's been drunkenly watching too much Tru TV.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2016 05:45

Object in mirror: Jun 14, 2016

objects in mirror posted:

Stressing the possible biological root of homosexuality above all else is counterproductive in my opinion, because I'm someone who thinks homosexuality should be accepted even if it is a choice. Saying "I can't help it" all the time appears to acknowledge that it is on the surface a bad thing but it should be tolerated because the person just can't help it. Screw that.

But let's go your route and stress biology.

The partaking of mind-altering substances is common to most cultures, and it's so extensive that it can be fairly argued that this desire is innate. Much like the homosexual can't resist his urges, so too (with their being natural variability in this desire among the population and all) can't lots and lots of people not help their desire to partake of substances that allow them to temporarily escape the tyranny of consciousness.

So if you people are going to dismiss drug use as merely a choice, I counter that it's an innate desire, perhaps as innate a desire (if not more so, given the proportion of humans who use drugs/alcohol vs those who are gay) as homosexuality.

This is a book that makes the the case that humans have a natural desire for intoxication:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1594770697/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3H52XOS2C26YB&coliid=IUW65R697I95Z

Those are some good points that explain how drug use is the same thing as being gay. Are you me?

# ¿ Jun 14, 2016 05:58

Object in mirror: Jun 14, 2016

Majorian posted:

Except for the fact that it is an immutable aspect of LGBT people's existence, just as being black is an immutable aspect of a black person's existence. I'm sorry, but you can't equate your struggle with that of LGBT people. It's not the same thing. Your being a pothead is not an immutable aspect of your existence - you can cease to be a marijuana user. A gay person cannot cease to be a gay person.

And again, good God - how could you possibly have thought this was a good time for you to make this terrible argument?

"They were born gay" is a common and untrue argument. Nobody is born gay or straight. This article explains why:

https://socialinqueery.com/2013/03/18/no-one-is-born-gay-or-straight-here-are-5-reasons-why/

# ¿ Jun 14, 2016 06:05

Object in mirror: Jun 14, 2016

Majorian posted:

It's really not. I know you want to believe what that quack-written book says, but it's BS.

Failed your major huh?

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Object in mirror: Jun 14, 2016

Majorian posted:

You're either Bernice Anders, or MIGF. That's my guess.

Yeah, he's a quack, and you're not terribly bright for having believed him.

Which is why you were whining about the attention that the LGBT community gets and started equating your struggle with theirs, a day after 50 of them got massacred for being LGBT.

Projecting!!! (from a rear projection CRT bulb.)

(objects in mirror you are a great writer. Holy poo poo. Seriously.)

Object in mirror fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jun 14, 2016

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