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Goofa posted:Picked this up today and it's been lots of fun. Fun fact about the single player AI, "easy" mode is harder to beat than the hardest mode. Easy will just snag the ball the safest way possible, form a block, and slowly march down the field. The harder modes will try all sorts of stuff to try to score, but given the risky nature of blood bowl, will end up with a lot of turnovers and inadvertently killing it's own players. It will occasionally pull off a brilliant move, but it's far more likely to have a gutter runner trip and die because it's using all 3 GFI's every turn.
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I suppose this is the most pressing question; are LE and CE compatible? Can CE and LE play games together at all? I would imagine not, as it's not simply DLC like it really probably should be, but you never know.
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Oct 12, 2012 20:13
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Oct 12, 2012 20:33
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Also, unlike upgrading from Dark Elf to Legendary Edition, you can keep using your same online teams from LE in Chaos Edition. I'm so glad I don't have to abandon my absurd +ST zerker +ST ulf Norse team.
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Oct 12, 2012 22:25
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Anyone else have a problem with the entire nature of the team progression and leagues in this game? Some teams start out solid (like say, dwarfs with their block on basically everybody) but don't progress very well, while some teams progress to be horrifically good. Then you've got the fact that individual players progress based on a dice roll, where some results are wildly better than others (EG: +1 strength versus a normal skill). Isn't this just a death sentence for any kind of casual multiplayer play?
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Oct 12, 2012 22:32
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:With Chaos Dwarves in the game now, am I given the green light to play Dwarves in the GGL again? I play dwarves in the GGL so I'll play you whenever. All the dwarf haters are lying I've been playing even normal dwarves against goons.
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Oct 12, 2012 22:41
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Thern posted:So are any of the new teams newbie friendly. I really should get back into this game. Newbie teams are Orcs, Amazons, Norse, Skaven, Dwarves, and Chaos Dwarves. A lot of people say humans are newbie but I think they are pretty advanced.
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Oct 12, 2012 22:48
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Gort posted:Anyone else have a problem with the entire nature of the team progression and leagues in this game? Some teams start out solid (like say, dwarfs with their block on basically everybody) but don't progress very well, while some teams progress to be horrifically good. No because it all works out in the end. Our goon community is self policing so people can't just take entire chaos teams of claw or noone will play against you.
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Gort posted:Anyone else have a problem with the entire nature of the team progression and leagues in this game? Some teams start out solid (like say, dwarfs with their block on basically everybody) but don't progress very well, while some teams progress to be horrifically good. The game is balanced and originally intended for league play. As in, you play some number of games, a playoffs, and a championship. That said, "balance" has never, ever been a Games Workshop forte. It's clearly not a major design goal. There are good teams, okay teams, and really loving awful teams. Sometimes the really loving awful teams still win, though, because the dice are very important in blood bowl. Someone mentioned that a natural 1 usually means you fail an action (unless you have a reroll, but you usually can't spend more than one reroll per turn). Well, the reverse is also true: no matter how risky, a natural 6 usually means success. So you occasionally manage a long bomb pass to a zombie, you occasionally scoop the ball up in three tackle zones and then dodge out to score with an ogre, and occasionally your goblin throws a -2 die block and still pows a chaos warrior into the injury box. Even so, beginners are well-advised to pick one of the definitely-good teams: orcs are perhaps best for beginners because they have a variety of skills and positionals, they're good at punching, they can manage an okay passing game in a pinch, and their armor is generally good enough to not be easily crippled. Oh and their linemen are reasonably-costed so you can keep them going in the face of injuries and deaths. Play your very first game ever against the AI, just to get used to the user interface, but after that you will do best being tutored by a friendly goon. Also reading the rulebook is absolutely mandatory: you can just start the game and mash buttons but you will quickly become extremely frustrated due to not understanding why certain things are happening. The goons in the IRC channel really are friendly and helpful and in most time zones you can manage to get a friendly game where someone will talk to you about what you're doing wrong and get you to basic competence. Once you're there, the game is genuinely fun.
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Leperflesh posted:The game is balanced and originally intended for league play. As in, you play some number of games, a playoffs, and a championship. Not sure why you're giving me the newbie spiel. I bought the game two editions ago.
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Sorry, I haven't memorized every Goon who ever bought Bloodbowl, and your question was phrased in a way that I'd expect from someone considering a purchase.
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Anyone got any tips for playing the Norse? Specifically, how do you build a strategy around their armor value of 7? I really love their kit and I want to be better with them.
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Oct 12, 2012 23:40
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Bedshaped posted:Anyone got any tips for playing the Norse? Specifically, how do you build a strategy around their armor value of 7? Kill your opponent before they kill you.
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Have you seen any of Yapo's LP with Norse? Basically, do a lot of the things we didn't let him. Super-optimise blitzers, maximum pomb, take guard on any lino with the option, never let the opposition near the sideline. You're a very pushy bashy team, you just can't take being hit. Get a few players ahead, you're golden, get a few behind, you're hosed.
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Goofa posted:Picked this up today and it's been lots of fun. Quit playing against the singleplayer AI, it will actually make you worse when you play against goons. Just come to the irc channel and we can play some test games and really teach you to play. The other reason you could be losing is if you are playing one of the bad team, or even if you are just playing a team that is hard for a newbie. Washout fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Oct 13, 2012 |
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Bedshaped posted:Anyone got any tips for playing the Norse? Specifically, how do you build a strategy around their armor value of 7? Some big tips to improve your survivability are: - Know when not to follow up on a block. - Know when to be more aggressive with tossing 1-die-blocks to avoid receiving 2dbs on your opponents turn. The tactic is kind of like a more metal version of dodging elves away from players that you don't need marked after you've made your important moves. You want to be the one throwing punches, not receiving them. - When you do have to mark players, well that's what unskilled/low-skilled linemen are for. Just try not to get your Guard or + stat linemen killed if you can avoid it. - Learn to recognize and compensate for frenzy traps. - Crowdsurfing might not get you SPP, but go for it whenever you can get away with it without being counter-surfed. - Basically, you want to get a man advantage as fast as possible. Norse matches tend to snowball - the first team to be down 2-3 players is usually about to have a really bad day. Random Hajile fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 13, 2012 |
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Two questions for a fairly newish player who just moved from Leg to Chaos Edition: 1) I'm playing online and don't have a way to chat. The icon is in the bottom left but I can't see anywhere to type? What am I missing... My opponent said hi so I guess chat is active, but there isn't anywhere to type. 2) Is there a way to import my campaign from the old version? Just curious... Also, playing my first online game with my new Undead team, against a team of 4xOgres and a multitude of Snotlings. Very entertaining splatting the Snots; there's 4 turns to go and I'm up 3-0 and they only have the ogres still walking. Great introduction  to playing online!e: 3) Also, is there a problem with the achievements? I just won an online league game but didn't get the First Step achievement. Am I Boneheaded or something? iajanus fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Oct 13, 2012 |
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iajanus posted:Two questions for a fairly newish player who just moved from Leg to Chaos Edition: 1) Just press enter and it should popup in the lower left, chat window is in the same place as the dicelog. 2) No clue. 3) I got achievements earlier today, so I don't think they are busted. Gort posted:Anyone else have a problem with the entire nature of the team progression and leagues in this game? Some teams start out solid (like say, dwarfs with their block on basically everybody) but don't progress very well, while some teams progress to be horrifically good. Not really, that's part of the charm, after a while you realised when you're outgunned against another team just on base stats. But so much of the game depends on positioning and rolling less dice that it's always possible to either out roll or out play a better team. A better team doesn't always mean a better coach, and I personally like the challenge in player some of the lower tier teams. Washout posted:I play dwarves in the GGL so I'll play you whenever. All the dwarf haters are lying I've been playing even normal dwarves against goons. You say the GGL is self-policing, but at the same time you're playing dorfs 
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I am suddenly reminded; One of the ways I got friends into the game who otherwise didn't understand it was cKnoor's team descriptions in his LPs, where he gave the general gist of how teams play and that sort of thing. It might be worthwhile to toss something like that up in the second post so people can get a bit more of a understanding. And not get frustrated by, say, picking orges.
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Yeah this is the video that got me into Blood Bowl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vZIph3ygGk
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Lets continue this dumb what are the best single players in blood bowl conversation we had on IRC. 1. Wardancer (leap blodge and jesus they are good) 2. Witch Elf (Frenzy dodge jump up what?) 3. Gutter Runner (mv 9 and dodge and mutation access cripes!) 4. Werewolf (mv 8 claw yeow) 5. Bull Centaur (str 4 and fast and tough as poo poo) I guess it says something that the best players are almost all agi 4? Washout fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Oct 13, 2012 |
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Washout posted:I guess it says something that the best players are almost all agi 4? I wouldn't say 3/5 of your list is "almost all." The defining trait for your picks is really their relative mobility. Wardancers just jump over anything in their way, if you drop the ball then a Gutter Runner or two will have it on the other side of the field before you know what the gently caress, and Bull Centaurs are... basically Saurs that can pick up the ball more of the time. Plus, I guess they've got sprint/sure feet going for them, and dodging before break tackle is somewhat less of a comedy option. I do really like Witch Elves, but I wouldn't put them in the same class as Wardancers or Gunners, as you've got to get a Witch to survive a few levels before they can really shine. I'd think Pro Elf Catchers would belong on a top player list before them. Random Hajile fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Oct 13, 2012 |
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I bought Legendary on sale last year and couldn't get into it...I think I'll give it a try and drop in IRC sometime today, after picking up the new edition of course.
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Well, on the achievement front the one for completing a pass just unlocked for me out of the blue in a game where I didn't attempt any passes...
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The Orange Mage posted:I bought Legendary on sale last year and couldn't get into it...I think I'll give it a try and drop in IRC sometime today, after picking up the new edition of course. I can't even play this game anymore unless I'm playing goons. And a ton of us old vets are getting back into it now.
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Washout posted:I can't even play this game anymore unless I'm playing goons. And a ton of us old vets are getting back into it now. 
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So I finally can stop using Fumbbl and get Cyanide (for better or for worse) but do I need to keep my copy of LE installed to run CE? THey seem to be different downloads and I know that CE isn't DLC, but I figured the question was worth fielding just in case.
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Son of a bitch does this mean I need to make new teams? Or can I import my old teams? I don't want to lose GGL-favourite Minowntaur BOSS METALZONE.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Son of a bitch does this mean I need to make new teams? Or can I import my old teams? I don't want to lose GGL-favourite Minowntaur BOSS METALZONE. You keep your teams.
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Chaos edition acts like a expansion in just about every way if you already have LE, but it's a standalone game.
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I remember when Dark Elves edition came out and it was kind of jarring playing them because Jim's voice actor had clearly forgotten how to put on the voice he did for the first nine teams and he sounded incredibly forced and out of kilter with all the other random comments he makes midmatch. Then when Legendary Edition came out he kind of got the hang of it again. Apparently he lost it again bigtime for Chaos Edition. Bob meanwhile sounds exactly the same.
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This is a vanity post about my special snowflake players. This guy is my newest, he is only level 2 but looks like he is going places. If I get a double for a mutation I have no idea what to give him.  People try and kill the poo poo out of this dude, gets fouled all the time for some strange reason.  My vamp team actually has two guys like this. Two turn touch downs are really easy with my vamp team, provided I get lucky but since all my vamps have pro it's not too bad. I've been trying for a str 5 vamp for a long time, even made a second vamp team but no luck.  I actually have to hide this guy and only use him to blitz with, he gets the poo poo kicked out of himself otherwise.  This guy is super fun, although I regretted not getting dodge on him once I rolled the +str so he would live longer. 
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So I was thinking about picking up Legendary edition for a 10 just to give the game a shot, and then later on, if it clicks with me, picking up Chaos Edition for the additional 10. I was wondering though if that was just an upgrade deal for the company sale on Steam this weekend, or if it's going to be a permanent thing.
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Edison Carter posted:So I was thinking about picking up Legendary edition for a 10 just to give the game a shot, and then later on, if it clicks with me, picking up Chaos Edition for the additional 10. I was wondering though if that was just an upgrade deal for the company sale on Steam this weekend, or if it's going to be a permanent thing. Apparently is permanent. It's the way Cyanide handles new versions; instead of pushing it out as DLC for the base game, they release an entire new standalone game, but at a lower price point for people who already have the older version. Almost makes me feel bad for getting LE for like $7 on steam sale and then CE at the $10 price.
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Orv posted:I guess the question here is why you don't have that poo poo muted. Not gonna lie, even after years, I'm still not sick of the commentary. Even though it know it all off by heart. 
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jivjov posted:Apparently is permanent. It's the way Cyanide handles new versions; instead of pushing it out as DLC for the base game, they release an entire new standalone game, but at a lower price point for people who already have the older version. Almost makes me feel bad for getting LE for like $7 on steam sale and then CE at the $10 price. pseudo dlc? Whenever I get back to my house I'll hop into the irc. I know the rules and players and such, but don't know how to really play.
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I bought Dark Elves edition a couple years ago and never really got into it, but I'd like to give it a shot again. I already picked up CE for $10, but can I skip Legendary entirely, or would I be missing something?
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