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Panfilo posted:Babylon Bee pulled the "where the gently caress is your chin" joke about the master race and people are pissy about it now. Guess they thought they'd be safe. They found a second joke!
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Dr. Faustus posted:Left-wing counterpart media, but interesting. Maddow spent 30 straight minutes last night building up an amazing A block that ended with "we've had a ton of fascists run for President before, but never did they have the full weight of the Republican party behind them, and this is why hiring Ronna McDaniel Romney is so offensive to all of us journalists at MSNBC." This is the network that employs or has employed multiple former Bush and other GOP staffers (or Congress people) or security state officers, either as direct employees or as pundits, but apparently this is a step too far. Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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Nucleic Acids posted:This is the network that employs or has employed multiple former Bush and other GOP staffers (or Congress people) or security state officers, either as direct employees or as pundits, but apparently this is a step too far. They have but Ronna is especially bad in the sense that she attempted to overthrow an election in her official capacity and threaten/bullied journalists consistently through out her career.
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Right-Wing Media Blames Bridge Collapse on ‘Open Border’ and COVID Lockdowns https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/wing-media-blames-bridge-collapse-181128335.html quote:That didn’t take long. Man, for such a lazy, senile, ineffectual president, this Biden dude has a wide swath.
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BiggerBoat posted:Right-Wing Media Blames Bridge Collapse on ‘Open Border’ and COVID Lockdowns 
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Haha  https://twitter.com/JustDKG/status/1772754181310288323/photo/2 e: The guy who proved Mike wrong is still trying to get his $5mil. Also Mikes lawyers just bailed on the case https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1772642931402256634 OgNar fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Nucleic Acids posted:This is the network that employs or has employed multiple former Bush and other GOP staffers (or Congress people) or security state officers, either as direct employees or as pundits, but apparently this is a step too far. Donald Trump literally tried to violently overthrow the results of an election he very clearly lost. I don't think it's surprising that people think that's a step too far.
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BiggerBoat posted:Right-Wing Media Blames Bridge Collapse on ‘Open Border’ and COVID Lockdowns It is WAY past time for these Fox/Newsmax people to literally gently caress their own faces.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Donald Trump literally tried to violently overthrow the results of an election he very clearly lost. I don't think it's surprising that people think that's a step too far. George Bush tried and succeeded to violently overthrow the results of an election he lost. Trump is a clinical narcissist who is largely apolitical and who assumed control of an existing fascist movement. He is not the rot, he is simply a symptom of the rot, and the insistence of Democrats and other liberals to pretend otherwise is part and parcel of why we are where we are.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:George Bush tried and succeeded to violently overthrow the results of an election he lost. Not really: the 2000 election was incredibly close, and the recount stretched out for literally weeks. Bush vs. Gore was a bullshit decision, but the question of who had actually won was legitimately in question. It's like saying that M80s and hand grenades are the same because they both make big bangs. You could argue that the 2000 election foreshadowed 2020, but in 2020 there was no real doubt as to who had won the election. The Brooks Brothers riot was a bunch of people protesting a recount in an extremely close election that turned into people getting punched and kicked, and stopped Miami-Dade county from completing the recount. In 2020 Congress was literally overrun by insurrectionists trying to overturn certification of an election that Biden had clearly won. Congresspeople and the Vice President were evacuated, there was a huge amount of damage to the Capitol itself, and people died. So it really shouldn't be surprising that people treat the two elections quite differently, or that people see Trump as a significant change rather than simply a continuation of the previous movement. Trump has completely hijacked the Republican party and turned it into a cult of personality, and you can see how former prominent Republicans who opposed Trump are now treated to get an idea of how much it's changed.
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Recent Mike Lindell news only getting better. Evicted from a warehouse, after getting sued for being behind $200k in rent. He claims it was empty and he wasnt using it anyway. But if it was empty and unused why would someone let $200k in rent build up. https://www.startribune.com/judge-evicting-mike-lindells-mypillow-from-a-shakopee-warehouse-for-unpaid-rent/600354172/ https://twitter.com/andy_mccormac/status/1772785958121075084
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OgNar posted:But if it was empty and unused why would someone let $200k in rent build up. Was he bound by a lease?
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Well I might be a fuckup but I'm not "did enough meth to ignore $200k rent for an empty warehouse" level fuckup.
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OgNar posted:Recent Mike Lindell news only getting better. To be clear: the consequences are possible because Lindell wasn’t rich to the point where money was meaningless. If he was, he could’ve thrown lawyers at his problem till the problem walked away. Instead, he was rich enough to find lawyers that were willing to stick with him until he wasn’t anymore 
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DeadlyMuffin posted:Not really: the 2000 election was incredibly close, and the recount stretched out for literally weeks. Bush vs. Gore was a bullshit decision, but the question of who had actually won was legitimately in question. It's like saying that M80s and hand grenades are the same because they both make big bangs. The Brooks Brothers Riot wasn't that far removed from Jan 6th and played a pivotal role in the efforts to steal the election in 2000. There are unique things about Trump but the 2000 election was absolutely stolen with the threat of violence and if the media doesn't want to remember that, it's on them.
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One of the reasons 2000 worked was that the Dems did a very lib cynic politics bit and tried to only do the recount in close areas they lost, rather than call for a statewide recount(which they had firm grounds for). The default result was also anchored on 'dems loose', which made obstruction a viable way to kill the effort.
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OgNar posted:Haha Give that dude all of Mike’s pillows. Or just give him the company. Could mypillow still be worth $5 mill?
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Professor Beetus posted:The Brooks Brothers Riot wasn't that far removed from Jan 6th and played a pivotal role in the efforts to steal the election in 2000. There are unique things about Trump but the 2000 election was absolutely stolen with the threat of violence and if the media doesn't want to remember that, it's on them. I gave concrete examples of major differences: 1. The election really was in question 2. The level of violence was radically different And no, the 2000 election wasn't stolen with the threat of violence except in the most hyperbolic way. In so much as it was stolen, it was stolen by the Supreme Court . What makes you think Bush vs. Gore was motivated by violence? I'm not saying aren't similarities, but the magnitude, brazenness, and I would argue the impact on democracy in the US were way different. The fact that it really wasn't clear who won the election is a huge difference.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I gave concrete examples of major differences: The important factor is the fact that the recount was still ongoing and the Brooks Brothers riot directly stopped it from continuing/finishing, which was all the cover The Supreme Court needed to go "okay whatever we're done now Bush won." The level of violence was not "radically different," it was mostly different in the sense that no one got trampled to death and no one was shot by law enforcement, both of which could have easily happened given that the nature of the riot was pretty much the same as the j6 protestors, choice of attire notwithstanding. e: to clarify I am not saying there were no differences, there clearly were. But the events themselves were largely in the same ballpark and none of those rnc fascist psychos deserved to get rehabilitated either, and pretending there's some huge difference between those involved is absurd Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Professor Beetus posted:The level of violence was not "radically different," it was mostly different in the sense that no one got trampled to death and no one was shot by law enforcement, both of which could have easily happened given that the nature of the riot was pretty much the same as the j6 protestors, choice of attire notwithstanding. According to Wikipedia the January 6th attack resulted in: The deaths of nine people, assaults on at least 174 police officers, and more than $30 million for repairs and security measures. The NY Times is quoted in the Brooks Brother Riot article as saying "several people were trampled, punched or kicked when protesters tried to rush the doors outside the office of the Miami-Dade supervisor of elections. Sheriff's deputies restored order." I have a hard time not seeing these as radically different. Do you have a better estimate that shows an impact that's more comparable, and that it was "largely in the same ballpark"? I'm not saying there weren't similarities, but you seem to be downplaying the level of violence to an absurd degree, while continuing to ignore that the election was very much in question, and that Bush was the presumptive winner based on the initial count. I think that is as important to note as the dramatically different level of violence. I'm harping on this because I think treating what Trump as done as simply a continuation of previous trends rather than a dramatic escalation grossly understates the risk that he and his version of the Republican party pose to democracy in the United States. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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You're welcome to have that opinion but I see them as essentially similar situations because BBR was a coin flip away from looking pretty much the same. I think the desire to look at Trump as a uniquely bad thing is minimizing the very real damage that fascists have been doing to the country going back to the racist and capitalistic pushback on the great society. The current situation is analogous to what happened with the Bircher psychos in the 60s and boy howdy if you want a preview of Civil War 2, read more into the violence of the civil rights movement, which was practically a new civil war in all but name. What's going on now is directly traceable back to the same poo poo happening 60 years ago. e: I think the BBR did way more damage as well, because those rioters were well organized, had a plan, executed it, and succeeded. I am not one of the people who thinks no one's lives were at risk (obviously people did die, but I mean as in the rioters getting a hold of Nancy Pelosi or whatever, I absolutely think she or others like her would have been murdered). But if anything it has been extremely effective at cowing the psychos and resulted in a shitload of needed jail time. Which is the exact opposite of what happened in 2000. We were probably spared an earlier fascist resurgence because of 9/11 and America collectively losing its might and focusing primarily on bipartisan fascism mostly directed toward other countries for a while. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Saw this earlier and thought it was interesting https://twitter.com/SanhoTree/status/1773016629925810506  And then this pops up and seems exactly what was mentioned. In no way is RFK anything other than a joke, but Fox pushing him being a danger and Democrats 'Panicking' over him just for confusion and distraction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gwKcEeAqNU
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Professor Beetus posted:You're welcome to have that opinion but I see them as essentially similar situations because BBR was a coin flip away from looking pretty much the same. This is 100% opinion that you haven't backed up at all. Professor Beetus posted:I think the desire to look at Trump as a uniquely bad thing is minimizing the very real damage that fascists have been doing to the country going back to the racist and capitalistic pushback on the great society. I think the desire to ignore that what Trump has done is uniquely bad is minimizing the very real damage that fascists have been doing to the country since he embraced that wing of the GOP and took power. It's like the difference between people getting punched and multiple people getting killed + millions of dollars in damage. They're both violent, but the difference in degree is incredibly stark. Also, as I keep pointing out, in 2000 the election was legitimately in question. People protesting a recount in a close election because they don't want the result to change is completely unacceptable and a threat to the democratic process. Attacking Congress to prevent the certification of an election where the results were unambiguous is a phenomenal escalation, and I don't see how it's a logical progression. Professor Beetus posted:The current situation is analogous to what happened with the Bircher psychos in the 60s and boy howdy if you want a preview of Civil War 2, read more into the violence of the civil rights movement, which was practically a new civil war in all but name. What's going on now is directly traceable back to the same poo poo happening 60 years ago. Military deaths during the civil war were about 5% of the entire US population. I think we have a similar issue here where you and I see scale very differently. Professor Beetus posted:e: I think the BBR did way more damage as well, because those rioters were well organized, had a plan, executed it, and succeeded. Way more damage than what? You're posting nothing but opinion. All I did was pull up the Wikipedia pages. If the Brooks Brothers riot did way more damage than I'm saying and is somehow comparable to January 6th, do me the courtesy of proving me wrong or at least providing some sort of evidence rather than opinion.
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I totally missed out on BBR—what government building did they forcibly occupy?
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never heard of the BBR before, lol how does Team R memory hole poo poo like that or the Business Plot.
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PhazonLink posted:never heard of the BBR before, lol how does Team R memory hole poo poo like that or the Business Plot.
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The media picked up "it's all those Nader voters' fault" and stuck with it to this day, all actual shenanigans forgotten. EDIT - BBR, obviously, it would take far more imagination to blame them for the Business Plot than most news organizations are capable of.
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My assertion is that the Brooks Brothers Riot directly led to the Bush presidency which, to name at least one statistic that should matter, led to the death of 1 million plus Iraqi citizens due to a bullshit war. Which imo is more damaging than a couple of maga idiots and cops getting killed and some minor property damage. Again this isn't a matter of opinion unless you are unwilling to acknowledge the chain of events in question. Also wars aren't defined by number of bodies, and I would call militarized police waging open war on black communities on public TV, while being cheered on by a white majority who thought civil rights had "gone too far" and electing the fascist ghouls who managed to knee cap the civil rights movement in ways that are still felt today, a civil conflict at the very least. Literally the kind of stuff US and International news media point to in coverage of developing countries when talking about "sectarian conflicts" None of these things are my opinion aside of the degree of severity at which I am assigning them. These are things that happened, you can read a history book and point to cause and effect. The Trump poo poo is the same playbook as Nixon, the same playbook as Reagan. It's still an iteration on a common theme. It's bad! But it's sadly not unique in any particular way. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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After The War posted:The media picked up "it's all those Nader voters' fault" and stuck with it to this day, all actual shenanigans forgotten. I mean, it was Nader's fault in addition to all the other people at fault.
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Professor Beetus posted:My assertion is that the Brooks Brothers Riot directly led to the Bush presidency which, to name at least one statistic that should matter, led to the death of 1 million plus Iraqi citizens due to a bullshit war. Which imo is more damaging than a couple of maga idiots and cops getting killed and some minor property damage. Again this isn't a matter of opinion unless you are unwilling to acknowledge the chain of events in question. The deaths of nine people, assaults on at least 174 police officers, and more than $30 million for repairs and security measures = a couple of maga idiots and cops getting killed and some minor property damage You're really invested in downplaying an attempt by the President of the United States to violently overthrow the results of an election that he unambiguously lost. I don't get it. And when you call something "practically a new civil war in all but name" then a comparison to how many people died is incredibly relevant! Now you're calling it "a civil conflict". These are not remotely the same. Things can be bad without also being the same. My point is that it isn't an iteration on the same theme, it's a massive escalation. If you can't see the difference between some bruises and dead bodies then it's no surprise that we disagree on severity. edit: ⌄⌄⌄⌄⌄⌄⌄ This is a more concise and better articulated version of what I was trying to say. Thanks. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Things that can simultaneously be true:
You can definitely argue that the BBR was worse solely because it succeeded in cementing Bush's victory while the 1/6 attackers didn't stop Biden's certification. But that leaves two other points: 1. If you only judge how dangerous fascists of the past were by how successful they were in hindsight, you'll forever be poorly equipped to oppose the fascists of the present. 2. There's about 20 years less data as to how much 1/6 succeeded in furthering the long-term cause of fascism. I'm not one of those sure Trump is gonna win, but if he does the 1/6 attackers will be vindicated by the entire Republican party for decades to come as martyred patriots that Trump 2024 avenged. (They already are by part of the right.)
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OgNar posted:Saw this earlier and thought it was interesting Is there a reference or some kind of academic work about these Russian Propaganda Techniques? Because what's being described sounds like the cut scene at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2, which isn't to say it's not describing an effective misinformation technique, but a guy saying "I see Russian Propaganda Everywhere" is interesting in a different way to me than he is to you maybe.
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selec posted:Is there a reference or some kind of academic work about these Russian Propaganda Techniques? Because what's being described sounds like the cut scene at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2, which isn't to say it's not describing an effective misinformation technique, but a guy saying "I see Russian Propaganda Everywhere" is interesting in a different way to me than he is to you maybe.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:The deaths of nine people, assaults on at least 174 police officers, and more than $30 million for repairs and security measures = a couple of maga idiots and cops getting killed and some minor property damage Oh no 30 million in repairs for our government that spends trillions on the mic I'm not downplaying it, I'm pointing out that it's out of the same loving playbook that's been run by racist fascists dating pretty much to the first pushbacks against reconstruction. To call Trump some sort of aberration is ignorant of history. It's an escalation yes, but it's not unprecedented and you can literally draw a straight line from point a to point b. That you continue to ignore the fallout from the bbr to point out how much physical damage was done on the day of is aggravating to say the least, given the scale of damage that happened to the entire country as a result.
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