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The BBR was a protest at a vote counting office at some office at a Dade county spot with a bunch of people wearing Brooks Brothers clothing so the name stuck. It just all got conflated with the bullshit Supreme Court "oh no we could never possibly have a recount so a republican has to win" bullshit.
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FFT posted:It's been termed the firehose of falsehood Academic but I guess it works as a descriptor. I'm more partial to Steve Bannon's phrasing, "Flood the zone with poo poo". They know exactly what they're doing and it's on purpose.
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bird food bathtub posted:Academic but I guess it works as a descriptor. I'm more partial to Steve Bannon's phrasing, "Flood the zone with poo poo". They know exactly what they're doing and it's on purpose. I guess I just don't see this as a Russian-exclusive or Russian-invented technique. Flooding the zone with conflicting stories is a propaganda method that goes back. And furthermore, I think deciding this is a "Russian" technique absolutely discounts the ability of our own homegrown oligarchs to just decide to use the same method, possibly even derived from a non-Russian source. Deciding misinformation itself has a Russian character just feels like jingoism and willful blindness. The metrics on 2016 Russian efforts, when you get down to the actual attributable posts, are hilariously bad. Just like...worse than maybe a second tier Congressional candidate who we never heard of in terms of actual impressions. So unless we have a different set of data than what was previously offered up as proof, Russians are just bogeymen, and this is just one more treat on the grand charcuterie board called Why Shizophrenics Are Having More Fun in 2024 Than Ever Before. The Kochs have put enough money into one local city council seat in a recent election cycle (candidate lost) that I saw more ads for that candidate than anything that even smelled like a Russian disinfo effort across my entire existence as a voter, since 1995. People had to go digging to find those attributed Russian posts. The fact that everybody smells Russians, but nobody has any more Muscly Bernie posts they can share that have been positively attributed is just...man, it's bad out there.
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it's called a russian technique because the russian government perfected it during the cold war and tend to do it the most effectively in the modern age. stringed potatoes are hardly tied to any ethnicity and yet they are known as french fries
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Kith posted:stringed potatoes are hardly tied to any ethnicity and yet they are known as french fries
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FFT posted:They were probably invented in France, though, if Spain didn't do it first. That’s what the Russians want you to think.
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I invented french fries and I'm American.
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selec posted:The metrics on 2016 Russian efforts, when you get down to the actual attributable posts, are hilariously bad. Just like...worse than maybe a second tier Congressional candidate who we never heard of in terms of actual impressions. I was with you (re: jingoism and the ubiquity of disinfo broadly, including the technique under discussion) until this bit. The "collusion" between the Internet Research Agency (under the FSB) and Bannon's Cambridge Analytical was inexpensive, but profoundly effective. They got Trump elected, started qanon, and convinced everyone that they didn't start qanon.
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Uglycat posted:I was with you (re: jingoism and the ubiquity of disinfo broadly, including the technique under discussion) until this bit. I don’t think that’s a realistic reading of what got Trump elected at all. Because you can look at the reports and see the actually attributed numbers. Anything beyond that requires a lot of speculation, inference and faith in spooks, and buddy I am not that big of a rube that I don’t know a sales pitch when I hear one. Russia has less than 1% of the influence on any given American election than say, the Koch dark money pool does. Mike Lindell is a more influential political force in this country than Russia, or at least was in 2016.
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are there studies on troll "networks" and "meme"(the serious academic definition ) spread on pre 2015 stuff? I feel like Bannon and mysterious nation state influencers were just building on a grassroots thing or were in the right place/right time to ride wave and claim responsibility.
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The thread for discussing it was closed by the mods. Generally analyzing Russia-funded disinformation and propaganda entities and their impact is difficult because there are a lot of them targeting different areas raised by different entities, the ones that are brought to public light tend to be the newer or smaller ones, and most of all, because social media propaganda and disinformation running through these efforts works through selective mediation. This means that a) it exploits existing belief structures, worsening them, b) direct actions are significant for their indirect, mediated copying, and c) the effective entities work in part by standing up separate social information demand systems, creating a self-perpetuating social space for disinformation such that other people start producing it independently.
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FFT posted:They were probably invented in France, though, if Spain didn't do it first. belgium is what i always heard
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Right wing websites (with one weird exception) have seen a crash in traffic this cycle relative to four years ago:
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I never heard of some of those. lol at the traffic crash. e: I like how you instantly guessed 2/5 of the ones I've havent really heard of.(the other three are Townhall, Western Journal, Washington Times) PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Mar 29, 2024 |
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PhazonLink posted:I never heard of some of those.
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FMguru posted:Right wing websites (with one weird exception) have seen a crash in traffic this cycle relative to four years ago: I think newsmax is sucking up people who got fed up with Fox News, which is kind of depressing to think about. So is this people moving on from conservative news to more center leaning sources, or just moving on to Facebook or Twitter?
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ok so i'm looking at some of those and figuring out how much i like the trends think about it with me gateway pundit is absolute hogwild evil trash throughout, but this outcome means they couldn't catch on to the trump fervor townhall is oldschool "history of boomerbrain" territory, pepperidge farm remembers this place's role in tea party / post tea party radicalization of conservatives, and they too have been outmoded the blaze has been the on again off again roost of hyper crankdom and now it's almost down 70 percent breitbart is one of the godfather stories of neo yellow-press transitioning to the internet to radicalize older conservatives, it's an important history lesson in the "how did we get here" story, so it down almost 80% in four years is impactful in more than one way the federalist is just a hate group. full stop. in a darker future they became the vanguard press of the brownshirts in a total fascist takeover of america. you could tell how much they wanted it. they were lusting to fill that niche. we should all celebrate that they're in the "pretty much vanished" category because gently caress them not even pepperidge farm remembers the total impact of the washington times on newsmedia. this is the end they deserve. this paper was designed from the onset to buy domestic political influence outright and create controllable political outcomes for the moonies, and it never stopped being a wild ride national review has forever tried to style itself as the high minded conservative bastion of thought and thinking and thinkery and thinkification. the end result is some of the most pompous, declarative culture war poo poo you ever saw, especially when it came to pop culture reviews or movies, you just end up wondering 'jesus christ, just say you hate black people.' it has needed to die ever since it went in heavy for barry goldwater, but it especially needs to die today to end the eternal william f buckley "intellectual basis for conservatism" mindset like it just goes on and on with the implications of this collapse. this is ... what's the term even going to be, optimistically historical?
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Not to rain on any parades, but isn't the simplest explanation that these days everyone engages with the social media posts but no one reads the articles anymore?
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SithDrummer posted:Not to rain on any parades, but isn't the simplest explanation that these days everyone engages with the social media posts but no one reads the articles anymore? That really kills these sites, because they are basically a way to launder hate into ad revenue.
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Here is the direct link to the research source: https://www.therighting.com/election-year-audience-erosion-continues-for-right-wing-websites Their traffic reports been a source in press for some time, and they're citing their sources, so they appear credible in terms of that aspect, at least. Their editorial and descriptive material appears less credible. Things to bear in mind:
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SithDrummer posted:Not to rain on any parades, but isn't the simplest explanation that these days everyone engages with the social media posts but no one reads the articles anymore? that wouldn't rain on my parade in the slightest. end result of the news engagement being parasitized by incomprehensible boomer memes on facebook watermarked with something like "FreedomAmerica USA PATRIOTZ" is all the same in that it directly fucksticks their ability to get revenue and produce content forever
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Ah, gotcha. Not taking this report as a sign of a decline in right wing identity or right wing excitement/engagement, but rather a decline in the flow of money feeding the Beast.
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well there's an indirect effect on right wing identity and engagement, because batshit botnet meme generation doesn't really direct a movement very well, and doesn't ... you know, invoke a new generation of competent professionals that can direct a movement successfully. like, whole political generations were seeded by washington times and national review and poo poo and produced people who, whatever their other faults, were canny political operators without it, one generation in all you have is the True Believers, and they're loving useless. like a political movement governed by mid-80's tinfoil hat talk radio conspiratorialists
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also some euro super power is wasting resources on some real world thing instead of american cyber stuff. also maybe the modern meta is finally reaching that point where its sooo balkanized that its almost impossible to do anything meaningful and some places a "vaccinated" against poo poo.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I have no idea how to parse any of that She's drunk
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Staluigi posted:the federalist is just a hate group. full stop. in a darker future they became the vanguard press of the brownshirts in a total fascist takeover of america. you could tell how much they wanted it. they were lusting to fill that niche. we should all celebrate that they're in the "pretty much vanished" category because gently caress them Yeah, someone linked me to a Federalist article once to try to prove something to me and I actually ended up browsing a little bit because the amount of sheer hate they express (especially toward women, often written by self-hating women) without stating it outright is fascinating. All justified by "America has moved away from Jesus."
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Piell posted:Every point is somehow dumber than the last and it started incredibly stupidly There we go. That's the Right Wing double speak I want to hear. "The Dems are inherently more cunning and ambitious than the Republicans. This type of deviousness means they can't be trusted with power. At the same time they believe in really stupid, pseudo intellectual things. This type of naivety means they can't be trusted with power."
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Matt Taibi: famously noted for being right wing
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Elephant Ambush posted:Matt Taibi: famously noted for being right wing yes, for the last few years
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