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President Kucinich posted:This thread is primarily focused on Fox News brand right wing media. It should be expanded to include the likes of the Trinity Broadcasting Network or Jack Van Impe Ministries. These are also very important and I'm glad you brought them up. These ministries/channels have a very tangible impact on their viewers' (almost uniformly conservative) opinions of such issues as contraception, secular education/laws and (perhaps most importantly) the Israel/Palestine conflict. Remember that evangelical televangelists such as John Hagee and Perry Stone literally make their money by preaching to people about how important Israeli supremacy in the Middle East is to the eschatological narrative of Revelation, the Second Coming, etc. It's theological hogwash that actively frustrates sensible discussion of the Palestinian conflict in the US but man oh man is it popular in certain evangelical circles. John Hagee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYjbSnphr_k Perry Stone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUVtyJIt390 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GLCATdEfyw There are many other preachers in this vein but these are the two that come to my mind the quickest. I'm also guilty of occasionally watching TBN out of morbid fascination as an above poster mentioned.
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There's a post to be made in here about libertarians and their enthusiastic embrace of Internet media, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about the culture to make that post myself. I used to identify as a Ron Paul libertarian but was never thoroughly ideological about it; after going to college and developing an appreciation for peer reviewed scholarship there wasn't much left to keep me interested in it. But there are hundreds of YouTube channels, Twitter feeds, and online think tanks that exist for the express purpose of endorsing libertarianism, Austrian School thought and anarcho-capitalism. You all know at least some of them and perhaps consumed them at one point yourself. I think that these are going to become more relevant to American political discourse as the Internet becomes even more culturally relevant and the radicalized GOP less so. These media have an appeal that can't be denied. Being a libertarian is sexy. It allows you to critique both sides of the US political divide and adopt a veneer of critical thinking, which these media celebrate. Being a libertarian is, of course, liberating. It makes you morally infallible in almost anything you choose to do and damns any and all who would coerce you in the name of a fictional commonwealth. Isn't that, after all, obviously true? Finally, being a libertarian is theoretically grounded. The libertarian media universe- Mises, Cato, Lew Rockwell, countless YouTube pundits, etc.- are right there to provide one the intellectual ammunition to combat statism in whatever creeping form it takes. You have moved beyond the politics of welfare apologists and pro-lifers to something greater. You have transcended left and right and embraced liberty. You know you have: these media have convinced you so. Most libertarians believe that they are out to change the social and political hegemony of the United States. What they fail to realize- or what they refuse to admit- is that they perpetuate the same bootstrapping, FYGM narrative that "mainstream" conservative media are trying so hard to propagate. If you dig deep enough into the libertarian media world you'll find all the hallmarks that lie just beneath the surface of today's GOP- fanatical hatred of government programs, zeal for privatization, distrust of academia, distaste for political correctness, and worse. This is a world that accepts the findings of science right up until they suggest that anthropogenic global warming is real, and the teachings of history unless they do anything less than offer glowing praise of laissez-faire capitalism. These libertarian media embody the core values shared by the myriad wings of the American conservative movement, and I believe they will become all the more important in the years to come. A new generation of people is growing up, one which has never known a world without the Internet. People who could give a gently caress less about traditional Republican social issues but who know that they like capitalism, dislike progressives, and love being able to click a web link for a quick, digestible Correct Opinion. These people are young libertarians, and if we want to be able to contend with them we have to understand where they get their opinions. This is why studying libertarian media is, in my view, just as important as studying any other kind of conservative media. the2ndgenesis fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Nov 5, 2012 |
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Typical Pubbie posted:Libertarianism is so paper thin and baseless its easy to pick apart, and the nice thing is most libertarians I've met are thoughtful enough to have an honest intellectual discussion about their beliefs. I have found that for many libertarians it doesn't matter one bit what sources you give them to expound your own worldview; if it does not agree with their ideology they will either dismiss it out of hand or curtly link you to a Mises/Cato article on why you are obviously wrong. It's infuriating and very intellectually dishonest. I really do think that libertarianism's thinly-veiled distrust of academia is a major selling point, which might help to explain why so many college kids feel attracted to it after muddling through classes. It's an ideology that allows you to believe what you want about science, the humanities, etc.- to a point. Are you angry about creationism because your religious Republican parents forced it on you as a kid? That's fine, you can still be a good libertarian and an evolutionist because Darwinism doesn't conflict with the idea that the state is always wrong and privatization is the only answer. The same goes for astronomy, math, most of the physical sciences- if your beliefs about a discipline don't interfere with libertarian principles, go hog wild. This makes libertarian objections to mainstream economics, sociology, and history all the more striking. This is especially true of Austrian School scholars and media sources. For example if you hold the opinion that economic regulation/intervention is sometimes a good idea because of, say, global warming, or the depression conditions which brought about the New Deal, you can be certain that libertarian "revisionists" have written ad nauseam on those subjects and why you cannot trust "leftist" academics who write about those subjects. Global warming? Not a big deal/fabricated, therefore we don't need any regulations for it. And did you know that the New Deal was actually basically fascism? Libertarians are all for embracing the academic consensus about Subject X right up until the point where that consensus dares to critique capitalism as a political economy or mutter a single word of praise for the state. In those instances the libertarian media world will happily provide one with the sources one needs to arrive at the Correct Opinion on the subject. There's a very gnostic quality to all of it, and for the person who buys into it it lends itself to the idea that they are a super-informed critical thinker in a sea of statist drones; it contributes directly to the sexiness of the ideology. It is also scholarship of the poorest sort and scarcely more academically relevant than Holocaust denial literature. At its worst it is brainwashing. As a history graduate student I find the prospect of this literature becoming mainstream to be terribly frightening.
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Nov 5, 2012 22:59
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I think he means that Fox does mostly dogwhistle homophobia as opposed to outright gay bashing. Indulging in Falwell-esque tirades about the latest Homosexual Agenda Plot du jour is, thankfully, finally starting to become unfashionable.
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Dec 12, 2012 05:34
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Miltank posted:Thank god I finally have a good reason to hate Vince Vaughn besides his poo poo movies. Unless it turns out he wants to produce the shows in a way that makes Beckites look like morons. Given his political leanings, I doubt that's the case. 
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Dec 14, 2012 00:04
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Brigadier Sockface posted:Joe Scarborough is now pro gun-control. So how soon until he is crucified by the rest of the Republican media universe?
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Dec 17, 2012 16:48
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Whoever was filling in for Glenn Beck on today's radio show brought up the idea that public schools be policed by armed "security personnel" who'd be trained to handle violent intruders, since of course gun control in any way shape or form cannot be a valid solution. He then went on to critique the federal government for being incompetent with guns and said that he'd much rather protect himself with his own personal firearm. 
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Dec 17, 2012 18:16
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In what loving world would one have to live to believe that the WBC is left-wing? ...Fox Nation, I guess. 
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Dec 25, 2012 00:47
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The fash is a mental disorder, as such there is no arguing with it.
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Jan 1, 2013 03:51
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So largely as a result of this thread I've been sampling Boston's local AM schlock station on the way to work to get a taste of Massachusetts' favorite conservative ideologues. They run big names like Rush and Levin but they've also got a few lesser known crazies, my favorite of which is a guy named Jeff Kuhner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGz5jmOqML0 Holy gently caress what a tool. I can't tell what's more obnoxious- his stereotypically doctrinaire position on literally every Republican talking point or his ridiculously punchable voice(?). How does a native Canadian come to adopt the worst of American conservative rhetoric, anyway? 
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Twisted Perspective posted:Even liberal minded people in these threads do it. I've lost count of the times I've read people refering to social security as "entitlements." I don't think there's anything wrong with referring to Social Security non-pejoratively as an "entitlement" in the case of people who've literally been paying into it for the duration of their working lives.
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Jan 5, 2013 04:31
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Words cannot describe how badly I want the GOP to be crippled by an actual far-right schism. 
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Jan 6, 2013 22:37
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EIN VOLK EINE VERFASSUNG EINE REPUBLIK FREIHEIT ODER TOD
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Jan 6, 2013 23:09
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It will never cease to fascinate me that US designs on Vietnam were in no way, shape or form deterred by the debacle at Dien Bien Phu.
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Jan 8, 2013 01:45
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Has AJ ever been interviewed by a major news network before? Because if not this is, uh... quite a public debut. 
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Jan 8, 2013 05:44
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Hopefully more sensible future generations of American parents will teach their kids that "my country, right or wrong" is a terrible principle, but we also have one of the most strongly nationalistic countries in the developed world so who knows? 
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Jan 8, 2013 15:35
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Rush is weird in that he doesn't seem to be overtly religious but he still mashes the "Judeo-Christian oppression" button whenever he gets the opportunity on the air. It strikes me as much less sincere and more opportunistic than, say, the vitriolic hatred of someone like Michael Savage.
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Jan 19, 2013 01:27
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Necc0 posted:Do you have a source for this? I feel like searching 'nazi gun control policy' isn't going to be very helpful. It's true. Hitler actually rolled back Weimar gun laws for the vast majority of Germans, i.e. non-Jewish ethnic Germans. It's almost silly to give the "GUN CONTROL = HITLER" trope the dignity of a response by pointing this out, though, since the notion that the Jews could have done anything to stop the Wehrmacht and the SS with small personal arms is patently ludicrous.
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Jan 19, 2013 17:02
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You liberals are the most idiotic people on Earth. Don't you even know what the word "Nazi" is an abbreviation of? That's right. National Socialist. I think I've made my point. 
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Jan 21, 2013 05:46
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I listened to Mark Levin's show for the first time last night as he spat vitriol about Obama's ~UNCONSTITUTIONAL~ Labor relations appointments. Jesus, whoever of you said that he sounds like an enraged Master Shake was spot-on. Hilarious.
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Jan 26, 2013 16:36
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In my opinion anyone who supports forcing religious dogma on children who don't know any better, thus compromising their confidence in science in their formative years (i.e. the teaching of creationism in public schools), cannot be anything other than a piece of poo poo by default. So based on that criterion alone: gently caress Huck.
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Jan 28, 2013 18:25
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I'm not so sure about Ann Coulter. Publicly declaring one's disbelief in Darwinism is a pretty goddamn big PR risk for one who presumably doesn't actually buy into fundamentalist Christianity.
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Jan 30, 2013 05:26
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BiggerBoat posted:http://dailyrushbo.com/rush-if-environmentalist-wackos-get-their-way-entire-cities-will-become-like-crippled-cruise-ship/ Jesus, Rush is the loving master of transitioning to talking points from stories that have nothing at all to do with those talking points. As soon as he goes from the boat to the tried and true "liberals are attacking capitalism!!1!  " canard, he can talk about whatever he wants.And the notion that electric cars don't reduce fossil fuel consumption is one of the most things I've ever heard. C'mon Rush, you know that isn't true.
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Feb 16, 2013 16:41
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But it can't be denied that Rush has a formidable appeal for those who are ignorant of the basics of rhetoric and argumentation, to say nothing of American politics and economy. Don't get me wrong, the guy's a complete blowhard and utter poo poo as a human being, but drat if he doesn't know how to play his audience like a drum. He could have taught Goebbels himself a thing or two about demagoguery. 
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ShadowCatboy posted:Is this thread mostly about news media or are propaganda films released by private organizations also allowed? I went to a public high school in the US and I received neither penis popsicles nor vagina cookies from Planned Parenthood. What the gently caress. I've been ripped off! 
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