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FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Radbot posted:

Uh, duh?
Nah, they have the same attitude towards white players who hold out for more money. It's just the usual worker vs. owner, signing the front of the paycheck vs. signing the back of the paycheck as it is everywhere else, with the novelty that these union workers get paid 7-8 figures for their labor.

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FMguru
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GoatSeeGuy posted:

Right Wing mythology has always been its own distinct universe, but it seems in the last few years instead of living in a parallel world these right wing personalities have gone so far off the reservation the appeal is lost to all but the true believers. The Sandra Fluke incident is a good example of this. Rush didn't get in trouble for calling her a slut per se, it was the fact that he did it for 3 days repeatedly trying to super serve that segment of his audience. He's been in the business long enough to know there would be blowback, but these days doesn't have any options other than give the base more and more of what they want since they're the only ones tuning in on a regular basis. Moving forward it's going to be fun to see how this medium the right discovered in the early 90's to deal with the loss of influence comes back to act like an anchor keeping them from changing direction.
Another thing about right-wing radio is that it's become impenetrable unless you're already a dedicated follower of RWR. Hard to get new listeners when clicking onto 770 AM results in an incomprehensible stream of "Beghazi Solyndra False Flag Fast And Furious Resko William Ayers *heh* did he lip sync the teleprompter?" Unless you speak fluent Freeper, it's like something beamed in from another dimension.

One of the sportstalk programs I used to listen to seemed to go through regular cycles of limiting the amount the amount of inside-joke jargon and pet nicknames they used on the air, obviously cognizant of the importance of making the show accessible to new listeners. Limbaugh et al, not so much...

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Blastedhellscape posted:

Where I live in the south I've met a lot of religious fanatics who will proudly tell you that they're independents, not Republicans. It seems to come down to the Republican party not being explicitly christian enough, believe it or not. Being "conservative, not Republican" appeals to those folks.
Similarly, I know a lot of leftier-than-thou types who vote straight Democrat (unless the election is a foregone conclusion, when they'll vote Green/Peace+Freedom/Hilarious Comedy Option) yet have nothing good to say about the Ds and love to complain about the lack of a real, viable liberal party they could wholeheartedly support. And there are lots of people who put a lot of stock in their self-image as unbiased free-thinkers who approach all elections with an open mind...and tend to vote for one party 90%+ of the time.

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Tatum Girlparts posted:

I've always been interested in where radio will go in the next ten or so years.
I suspect the spectrum will be largely re-purposed for various digital/wireless uses. A big, wide FM channel is much more useful carrying 100,000 smartphones than a top-40 broadcast earning a 0.2 listener share.

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Sep 10, 2003

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Paul MaudDib posted:

I just had the pleasure of listening to Marketplace whitewash the whole European beef scandal. Apparently it's "no big deal" because really, who believed that there was actually beef inside that package of "100% beef"? It's an "ick" issue, not a "food safety" issue. In fact, it even may be a good thing if you were a humane-minded locovore, because what if the horses were locally grown and raised humanely? WE JUST DON'T KNOW, KAI.

...or maybe it's diseased old racehorses pumped full of unsafe drugs like the tests seem to be showing, and the fact that "we just don't know" where the meat came from is actually a huge food safety issue in and of itself.

:airquote: left wing media :airquote:
NPR = Nice Polite Republicans

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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The celebration party at the Friends of Hamas office got so out of hand, the cops had to come in and shut it down.

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Sep 10, 2003

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Zeroisanumber posted:

There's a wonderfully butthurt article about it up on Reason.com which gives a good synopsis of the directionless and delusional state of the party:

Help me Rand Paul! You're our only Hope!
Ahahaha, that article.

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What’s an irrelevant party to do? Its new approach will take many years to change the state’s political climate at best, and California is in desperate straits now.
Desperate straits, like its budget surplus and its global leadership in technology and entertainment and its improving employment picture - employment growth which is concentrated in the blue coastal metropoli, for some mysterious reason.

California is so hostile to business that you can bicycle from the campuses of Facebook to Google to Apple in under and hour. People are fleeing the state in such droves that a one-bedroom apartment in San Francisco now runs around $2200/month. It's only a matter of time before Cali becomes a rubble-strewn wasteland like Detroit.

Does every Reason article end the same way, concluding that the solution is obvious: more libertarianism?

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Sep 10, 2003

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Jack Gladney posted:

Gallagher was always a shithead, but he used to fit in a lot better in the 80s because his kind of bigotry was much harder see against all the background noise. He only looked like an old hippie, and as the boomer culture receded he stayed landed up on the beach, drying out and hating gay people.

Plus, he got really bitter once people got tied of his watermelon poo poo:

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/comedy-is-not-pretty-and-neither-is-gallaghers-act

http://www.avclub.com/articles/gallagher,36622/
Yeah, Gallagher's act was always aimed at fogies - complaining about smelly hippies, that awful "rap" music, kids who refuse to pull up their pants, etc - it was just the goofy props and the zany hair and silly outfits he wore that kind of masked it. He was always pitching at the same level as all the other acts in Branson, MO.

Those interviews are amazing. I've never seen so much bitterness, from someone who achieved more in his field than 98% of his contemporaries ever did. But no, he deserved to be more successful than David Letterman, Jay Leno, and Jerry Seinfeld put together, because he was braver and funnier and more cutting edge than those hacks.

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Sep 10, 2003

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watt par posted:

It's been kinda fun watching the word from Ailes or possibly Murdoch filter down through the organization that the gay marriage fight is done with. I think Megyn Kelly was the first to run with it, but now it looks like all of Scoob & the gang are getting on board.
Yeah, it's pretty clear that the word from on high is to cut their losses on the whole gay marriage thing (same with immigration and amnesty/path to citizenship). Watching various conservative media creatures do a 180 degree shift on this is going to be fun over the next several months - I guess we'll get to see which ones are the creatures of the establishment and which ones are the true believers.

In 10-15 years (maybe sooner) you can bet that you'll be hearing how it was liberals who held up the inevitable tide of gay rights.

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Sep 10, 2003

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gently caress You And Diebold posted:

Pshh, some of my older relatives use the google search bar to search for google then use the main google page to search the address of the website they want to go to. Drives me insane.
A couple of years ago, Facebook made some dumb changes to their login procedure, and a guy wrote a blog post complaining about it that ended up as the #1 result for "facebook login".

The comments on that blog post immediately blew up with hundreds, and then thousands, of people typing in their usernames and passwords, mixed with lots of "GODDAMN IT WHY WONT YOU LET ME LOG ON???" comments.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Most of Trump's money is paper/shellgame stuff, he actually makes his living renting his name and blustery persona to other development projects, becoming the public "face" of some new golf course or condo tower. It's why he works so hard to keep his name in the news with his reality show, his Presidential campaign, his wingnut twitter account, and everything else.

If he really was the mega-billionaire he presents himself as, he wouldn't shill so hard for his self-help books, his get-rich-quick seminars, and his motivational speaking schedule.

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Sep 10, 2003

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Crasscrab posted:

A true American success story. :911:
Did I mention that he inherited his wealth?

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Crasscrab posted:

Wizards are the biggest assholes.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Hollywood is an amazingly capitalist place. Everything is focus-grouped and cross-marketed to a fare-thee-well, and your career is only as good as the box office numbers of your last project. You can be a tremendous jerk or right-wing loon, but if your movies make money, your career will be fine until you do something that hurts your marketability. The example of Mel Gibson above shows this - he had no problem making films and getting them distributed until he started wishing that the mother of his children be raped to death by n***ers. And if you're having trouble making a right-wing film? Well, get off your rear end and raise the funds and write a script and hire a crew and a cast and spend on marketing to get your film made. What could be more free market? Gibson had trouble getting anyone interested in his Jesus torture-porn film, so he raised the money and made it himself, and he made a giant pile of money doing it. He didn't whine about how no one wanted to make his film, he went out and made it, and that made it possible for him to easily raise the money for his next film.

Hollywood's putative liberalism only goes so far - ask anyone involved on the production side what they think of unions, and be prepared to hear an earful.

The real problem is that 99% of people who try to make it in Hollywood fail, or their careers are cut shorter than they like. Peoples' phones stop ringing (or they never rang in the first place) and they decide to blame The Sinister Left Wing Cabal That Runs Show Business rather than the fact that there's a limited number of slots in showbiz, and every one has hundreds of people willing to do anything to land it. Plus, it gives them a second career of pandering to right-wing groups as a former celebrity who had their career cut short because that's how Hollywood treats conservatives. Victoria Jackson, whose career had been in a coma for ten years before she latched onto the Tea Party, is a good example of this.

Hollywood's full of people who don't get called back for second auditions or who can't get their screenplay looked at. It's because that's how Hollywood works. Only a tiny sliver conclude that it's because they've been blackballed because of their right-wing beliefs. Hollywood is a brutal, cold, maximizing, hyper-efficient capitalist machine, and peoples' careers go ice-cold all the time, usually because something fresher or hotter or younger comes along. (There's also the matter of showbiz people generally having huge egos and not exactly being the best objective judges of why their career has arced the way it has).

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Axetrain posted:

Still makes me laugh.
All hail Goatstein

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Stoat posted:

I'm dumb, why would being made immune to Rubella be a bad thing?


FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Phone posted:

It's not true that Bob Saget raped and killed a girl in 1990.
Well, there's no proof that he didn't rape and kill a girl in 1990, is there?

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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In 1993, Rush Limbaugh went on the Letterman show.

It did not go well for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJpebtIXROw

Note 1) Limbaugh's pathetic efforts to lick Dave's shoes for the first two minutes of the interview, 2) the completely effortless way that Letterman utterly destroys Limbaugh with a couple of offhand sentences, 3) the way Limbaugh responds by gasping like a fish that has just been pulled onto a pier.

Limbaugh has pretty much refused to appear before an unfriendly or neutral audience, or give interviews to any but the most sympathetic interviewers for the last twenty years, and this Letterman appearance is exactly why.

FMguru fucked around with this message at 16:14 on May 29, 2013

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Sep 10, 2003

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BiggerBoat posted:

In unrelated matters, I've been watching a lot of footage from Man of Steel recently (and it looks awesome). Does anyone besides me think that FOX, Rush or someone is going to make big deal about how the crest "is not an 'S'. On my planet, it means 'hope'" and try to make it into an Obama thing like they did with Bane and Bain Capital in TDKR?

I'd love to be wrong, but I bet the "hope" bullshit gets brought up along the lines of Hollywood shilling for Obama and ruining the American ideals of Superman.
I doubt it. Getting all angry about Obama's 2008 "Hope" and "Change" iconography seems kind of backwards-looking at this point. He's not running for office again, the future belongs to the 2014 midterms and Hillary's likely 2016 run, so dragging out that old red and blue headshot of him resonates about as much as a webquiz to determine who your favorite Spice Girl is.

Still, Fox has hours to fill every week, and if there's a lull in the news who knows what kind of stupid crap they'll dredge up and run with.

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Sep 10, 2003

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Taerkar posted:

In addition to this it's important to also consider that in many ways the Soviet economy was in a slow decline for quite a while. There were a lot of missteps back in the 60's and 70's that had long-term consequences on the economic stability of the country, especially in regards to agriculture (Thanks to Lysenko).
Here's the most amazing story about the Soviet economy in the 1980s and how it led to the Cold War ending.

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BiggerBoat posted:

It's going to be interesting to see how the usual suspects handle the IRS thing moving forward, since that's the one thing that seems to have any real legs attached to it after 5 years of "fill-in-the-blank-gate" stores and manufactured false outrage. Does anyone know anything about this "157 visits" by the IRS chairman talking point I've been catching so much of lately? I heard Andy Dean going off on it and a few other outlets as well but haven't seen it sourced.
Even if IRS-gate fails to get traction with the general population, it's still useful for teabaggers/conservatives because they can use it hype up their own sense of persecution and living proof that only they can stop The Kenyan Usurper from covering all the land with a thousand years of darkness.

It's baloney, of course, but so was George Soros Communist Mastermind, ACORN's nationwide voter-fraud conspiracy, and the New Black Panther Party campaign of voter intimidation.

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Fulchrum posted:

You just pointed out why this is meaningless. Every single non issue is treated by these people as the worst possible thing. There is no subtlety or nuance, every day Obama is showing he is worse than Ted Bundy and Hitler combined. A real scandal isn't going to do anything Umbrellagate wouldn't.
A "real" scandal might break out of the fever swamp and into general circulation. It's less likely than it might have been because of the last five years of boy-who-cried-wolf from wingnuts, hilariously enough.

This is a real change from the 1990s, where every outlandish claim about Gore or the Clintons was treated as Profoundly Serious Business in the serious media, no matter how unlikely, nonsensical, or poorly sourced. Sitting members of the House tried to prove that Hillary murdered one of her aides. Heck, Bush Sr. spent the last couple weeks of his 1992 campaign arguing that there was a real chance that Bill Clinton was a deep-cover KGB agent, and the nation couldn't risk putting him in office (I'm serious. That was a thing that actually happened). Nowadays, this stuff mostly bounces around Drudge and Michelle Malkin's place and the Daily Caller and Fox News and never gets any traction outside of that. It's a hermetically-sealed funhouse, and growing majorities of Americans tune it out completely.

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Sep 10, 2003

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Dr. Red Ranger posted:

To further comment on Jindal chat, I don't know how he managed it, but he's even got many LA republicans against him for his yearly cuts to anything and everything his pen can reach. Our charity hospital system has been eviscerated and sold so brutally even the rapture believing, communist fearing racist health care folks I work with hate him.
Just today I read that he had line item vetoed developmentally disabled assistance, needy family assistance, arts grants and so on from next year's budget citing the "lack of lawmakers accounting for unexpected Medicaid cost increases". Increases he caused by screwing the system sideways and refusing the PPACA medicaid expansion. Jindal has become a rabid, reality denying "starve the beast" republican so blatantly he can't even rely on Louisiana prejudices to cover him.
Exactly. The guy had everything lined up for him to be a party leader and a top-tier presidential candidate, but he just keeps stepping on his own dick, over and over and over. The guy is not nearly as good as the hype, and he can barely keep it together at the state level (a state that his party dominates and which is as conservative as he is). He's done nothing in the last four years to indicate he's ready for a national campaign. and I think he's wasted his shot. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

The same thing happened to Rick Perry - highly touted, looked like a comer, everything was aligning, and then he lost the ability to count to three on national television and his campaign organization was like that Three Stooges short where they run a bakery.

Liberals have an annoying tendency to greatly overestimate the strength of any new Republican arrival on the stage as The Next Big Thing That We Underestimate At Our Peril. Wasn't Sarah Palin supposed to be The Future Of The Party That We Dare Not Laugh At? 90% of Next Great Things fizzle out quietly before getting anywhere, usually doing it to themselves with their own weaknesses.

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Hobelhouse posted:

Blame Reagan. Liberals laughed at him at first, then he got elected in a landslide. Ever since, liberals haven't trusted themselves as much on whether or not someone's too ridiculous to be elected.
I agree, but it's really gotten out of hand. A lot of it also has to do with the media, where there's a premium placed on being the first to identify an up-and-comer, and no real penalty if they fizzle, so it leads to lots of articles about how obscure governor X or young new senator Y is the Next Big Thing.

It reminds me a lot of music writing, where every tiny local scene or microgenre will have someone come along and declare it The Future Of Music, on the off chance it turns out to be Seattle 1990 and the writer can dine out for the rest of his life as The Guy Who Discovered Nirvana or something. NME used to be really bad about this, every little blip on the scene would be inflated into an onrushing juggernaut, only to be kicked aside two weeks later by the next next big thing. Seriously, ambient dub-wave is going to rule the charts this summer, I guarantee it!

Liberals really need to be less Chicken Little when confronted by the other team. Acting trembly and un-confident and scared, and acting like every one of your potential opponents has super powers, and starting every contest with a half-surrendered "we're doomed" mindset is a lousy way to build support for your issues and your candidates. Ridicule and dismissal can be powerful tools, liberals should make better use of them.

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Sep 10, 2003

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Paul MaudDib posted:

I'd hate to see Rush's persecution complex if the FCC killed his band though.
His persecution complex runs at a perfect 10/10 no matter what, might as well give him something to really feel persecuted over :getin:

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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FuzzySkinner posted:

Dumb question, what is the goon consensus on Charles Krauthammer?
A bloodsoaked neocon warmonger, curdled and bitter with a lump of dogshit for a heart, his columns are always on the verge of referring to the President as "boy".

He is, however, smarter than a tree, which puts him in the top 10% of all Conservative commentators.

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Mel Mudkiper posted:

I remember the first time someone described Malcolm Gladwell to me it seemed like the kind of pop-psych masturbation idiots read to convince themselves there is an instruction manual to success.

Glad to see I was not wrong.
Gladwell and his fellow travelers (like the Freakanomics guys) write what are essentially self-help books for people who think they're too smart to read self-help books. Lots of affirmations and simple explanations of complicated psychological phenomena and just-so stories and news-you-can-use morals. Gladwell's previous book carried the core message that brilliant people practice a lot, so if you want to get ahead and succeed in life like Bill Gates, all you need to do is put in the (10,000) hours of hard work! Just a fancier, New Yorker version of self-help, with handwavey pseudo-science replacing new age woo-woo.

FMguru
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I just tell people I'm celebrating the original holiday, Yule.

If I'm REALLY feeling like an rear end I point out that's where all the cool stuff like the tree comes from anyway.

My santa leads a wild hunt!
All hail Sol Invictus!

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Armani posted:

I loving hate to say it but this has been, like, reason #1 for most people outside my house on why they're pissed about NSA stuff if they weren't aware of that poo poo to begin with.

It's totally cool to use on every non-white, non-American though! For safety! Freedom!
See also: why some people are so pissed at TSA airport checkpoints.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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beatlegs posted:

So they're falsely accusing Obama of doing what rising GOP star "Bobby" Jindal actually did.
Willard "Mitt" Romney

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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ReindeerF posted:

It was called various names back in, say, WW I and WW II. One of my mother's Uncles had what they called "shellshock" back then, which they attributed to people reacting to the noise of war. The guy would repeat everything twice and shake and couldn't control himself at times. I'm not sure what all he had, but I'm guessing PTSD was in the mix. The point is, yeah, like cancer vs. "he died of old age" it's been around as long as people have been dealing with catastrophically stressful situations. It's present in God knows how much of Cambodia's population, for example, but would never be diagnosed or dealt with, because they're poor.
In WWII it was called "battle fatigue"

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Nucleic Acids posted:

Is it because Krauthammer opposes Intelligent Design? Because I can't think of anything else.
He occasionally counsels non-suicide tactics (like during the recent debt limit/shutdown, where he argued from the start that it was hopeless and would only hurt Republicans), therefore he's a squish and a RINO and not a true believer.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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Corek posted:

Is Daily Kos still influential anymore? I thought its readership was a fraction of what it once was.


They're doing fine

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

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BiggerBoat posted:

Speaking of that, has the first sortie been fired yet in the annual War Against Christmas, or did we officially lose that "war"?

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Sep 10, 2003

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Fandyien posted:

You know I've lived in a majority black poor city for the past 16 years and I had literally never heard of the "knockout game" before the right-wing media started harping on it. My brother once got hit in the head with an empty 40 bottle when he was walking around, but that was the sort of bullshit behavior disaffected youth perpetrate everywhere regardless of race.
This poo poo runs in cycles. Two decades ago it was "wilding", last decade it was "flash mobs", now it's the "knockout game". Same as it ever was.

See also: "happy slapping" as part of last decade's UK Chav culture.

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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

I thought Flash Mobs were those asshats that ruined your lunch by blaring lovely music and re-enacting an episode of Glee?
For some reason, Drudge/Limbaugh/FoxNation turned it into a thing where at a pre-arranged time, a horde of urban feral youths, coordinated on internet and cellphones, would descend on some store or church or whatever, yelling and screaming and overloading whoever's ability to control things and then the violence and the looting. I'm sure it happened once or twice (if seventy teenagers suddenly appear in a 7-11 and start grabbing things and yelling, there's not much the guy behind the counter can do) but the conservative message machine made scared white people think it was a big thing that was sweeping the nation and look out and be alert and get a CCW permit and all that poo poo.

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And the portions are so small!

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Remulak posted:

My understanding is that most of Trump's failed businesses only lose other investor's money.
All signs point to Trump being near-broke, or to have debts in excess of his assets and living on credit. That's why he shills so hard for his reality show and his books and his speaking engagements - actual rich people don't have to work that hard or chase down stray dollar bills like he does. His other source of income is lending out his name and brand to other development projects. If you're building a new golf course or luxury condo block, you can hire Trump to be the public face and brand of it for a suprisingly affordable fee.

And all that explains why he's running a crazy, trolling twitter account, pandering to the lowest common denominator, and fake-running for President - because it gets his name in the news, and creates the illusion that he matters and that he's a mover and shaker and not some has-been eighties leftover, which is absolutely essential to him if he's going to keep paying his bills.

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Eponymouse posted:

I've never heard of Thomas Friedman, so I looked him up and according to his Wikipedia he is a supporter of "radical centrism". Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

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FMguru
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The early church fathers were tortured to death, set on fire, and eaten by lions as public spectacle for their beliefs - having people frown at me for expressing my opinions about gays and "shintos" is pretty much the exact same thing, really.

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