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Next redraw up.
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Well thats different
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Mar 20, 2024 17:14
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Just a minor detail changed, no big deal.
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Mar 20, 2024 17:34
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Yeah, wut
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Mar 20, 2024 17:39
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I’m assuming that was the ninja leader throwing out a warning shot
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Mar 20, 2024 19:22
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:in one version, phoenix man had his costume destroyed which left him a depowered human. it was a pretty good gag, but it doesn't really fit with how monsterization works anywhere else. Clearly he just further monsterised into the most terrifying monster of all.
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Translation out https://cubari.moe/read/imgur/LCkwQHt/1/1/ Edit: Yeah OK that's quite different, wonder what caused this huge shift in plot pik_d fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Mar 20, 2024 21:56
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pik_d posted:Translation out https://cubari.moe/read/imgur/LCkwQHt/1/1/ Lack of foresight and planning? 
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Mar 20, 2024 22:09
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Mar 20, 2024 22:18
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This is way better already. Love these redraws and A class hero Caped Baldy protecting Monako.
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Mar 20, 2024 22:40
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One thing that really bothered me about the original version of this chapter was how much Saitama was willing to tolerate all the exposition from Flash and Blast, and even seemed interested in it at times. "Sure I've got nothing better to do" felt like a complete character break. I'm glad they fixed that in the redraw.
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Mar 21, 2024 01:04
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Well, this is a lot better and skipping straight to the point! I like
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Mar 21, 2024 01:24
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Alright I'm trying go parse what happened here, help me clear this up Bang felt an attack coming, so he warped(?) the city away from some giant cross Slash? Or did he put up some kind of gravity shield?
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"It's a long story." "Oh. I'm good then..."  White Light posted:Alright I'm trying go parse what happened here, help me clear this up He encircles the HQ/City and lifts it up a few hundred feet into the air, so the dimension blade attacks converge on an empty pit, then Blast returns the HQ to where it was.
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Mar 21, 2024 04:19
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I think he warped it somewhere else entirely just before the moment of impact, or maybe shrunk everything down to an infinitesimally small singularity or something wacky like that. On the centerfold page where all the slashes converge there's no visible association building, so he didn't just create a shield and lift it up.
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The thing about these redraws is that Murata has the energy of a Shonen protagonist and 0 idea of what a rough draft is so he just does 4 chapters before ONE can get a chance to look at them and his team can finish a chapter of OPM. Then, with his storyboarding expertise and knowledge of where he's planning to go he can look at what's been made and veto or approve some things as he sees fit. Sadly this does lead to moments like Saitama sitting Monster Garou down in a broken shack on the opposite ends of a table being lost because ONE was intending to work 'God' into the story at that point but them's the breaks.
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RareAcumen posted:The thing about these redraws is that Murata has the energy of a Shonen protagonist and 0 idea of what a rough draft is so he just does 4 chapters before ONE can get a chance to look at them and his team can finish a chapter of OPM. Then, with his storyboarding expertise and knowledge of where he's planning to go he can look at what's been made and veto or approve some things as he sees fit. Could’ve worked that moment in anyway. It feels more true to One’s writing and what he likes to do with his characters than what we ended up getting. It was genuinely one of my favourite panels in the comic and I really don’t like that it got retconned out of existence.
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Devils Affricate posted:I think he warped it somewhere else entirely just before the moment of impact, or maybe shrunk everything down to an infinitesimally small singularity or something wacky like that. On the centerfold page where all the slashes converge there's no visible association building, so he didn't just create a shield and lift it up. It's possible I'm just misreading page 20? Page 19 you can see it lifted several hundred feet above the ground, page 20 I assumed you can't see it because of the impact explosions of the converging attacks masking it from sight, and then page 21 when those have cleared you can still see it elevated far above the ground though now much lower before page 22 shows it being slotted back into its original position. I guess it's possible it blinked out of space entirely on page 20 into another dimension or something and was back a split second later? But because we saw it lifted up and then lowered back down I just assumed he'd just zapped it up in the air and then back down again. Edit: Murata please correctly assume I'm a hopeless dumbass, you don't need to redraw the chapter!
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i figure it will either be explained next chapter or else redrawn again to clarify matters.
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Saitama probably thinking,"Huh, weird... why didn't Blast just smack aside that weak attack?"
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Jerusalem posted:It's possible I'm just misreading page 20? Page 19 you can see it lifted several hundred feet above the ground, page 20 I assumed you can't see it because of the impact explosions of the converging attacks masking it from sight, and then page 21 when those have cleared you can still see it elevated far above the ground though now much lower before page 22 shows it being slotted back into its original position. I guess it's possible it blinked out of space entirely on page 20 into another dimension or something and was back a split second later? But because we saw it lifted up and then lowered back down I just assumed he'd just zapped it up in the air and then back down again. Page 19 shows a small bright ball high above the ground, which is the center of where the hero association used to be; it's the last glimpse of it before it phased out in Blast's black hole. On page 20 the association is gone and Empty Void's attack splits the ground. On page 21 it warps back into the exact place it originally disappeared from, except a considerable amount of ground is missing because of the attack. Page 22 it drops into place because of the missing ground.
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It was superpowers
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One thing I've always been uncertain about is how we're supposed to view Saitama's ambivalence towards pretty much everything. Like it's one thing to be a comedic straight-man, but a lot of the time his behavior crosses over into a bizarre unwillingness to seriously engage with other people. He almost comes off as a character who realizes everything around him is fictional, and has little investment in other characters or their lives as a result. I'm not sure how much of that is meant to just be perceived as a gag, and the line is further blurred by other characters (usually reasonably) taking everything seriously.
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Ytlaya posted:One thing I've always been uncertain about is how we're supposed to view Saitama's ambivalence towards pretty much everything. Like it's one thing to be a comedic straight-man, but a lot of the time his behavior crosses over into a bizarre unwillingness to seriously engage with other people. That is literally the point. He is so strong he has disengaged with life
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ImpAtom posted:That is literally the point. He is so strong he has disengaged with life He engage with king though, but I think thats because King is the only other one on his level he usually is just not up for anyones tedious exposition or whatever, not being interested in some bullshit end of the world stuff he could punch away does not mean he is complete disengaged. He loves shopping for deals and playing nintendo and lounging around on his futon and sticking to his exercise routine. he doesn't wanna hear some blowhard ramble on about their ancient society of ninjas
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The intro to the series suggests that Saitama's arc is to find a battle to fill his spirit once again. But pretty much everything since then is more about him finding his own humanity through "saving" other characters (first Genos, then King, then Fubuki, Garou, Tatsumaki and now Flashy Flash). He continues to make gradual progress (accepting a roommate, tolerating social events, remembering some names, befriending monsters) and the scene on I.O. basically put to bed the idea that he will ever be made "whole" through combat. I think he's friends with King primarily because King is the first person to give him a real thrill in a long time (video game competition) Bucswabe fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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I liked the conversation with King he had. Where King suggested things Saitama could try and do and he brushed them off, cause he was not interested leading to "Ah so you are bored, but won't do anything to try and change that"
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Jerkface posted:He engage with king though, but I think thats because King is the only other one on his level The reason this stuff comes off weird is that people are often saying things that it makes sense to empathize with. Like Flashy Flash actually does have a hosed up background relevant to the current situation, and his story wasn't even long-winded. His opinions make sense to us, readers who are aware that everything happening is fiction. But they're very strange for someone who actually exists in the setting. As ImpAtom says, he's detached, but I'm not sure if the writing means for us to view this as a serious part of his characterization or if it's just a gag. And it also doesn't really make sense on its own - characters like Silver Fang can also effortlessly beat 99.99% of humanity, but they don't exhibit this weird apathy. The apathy is also limited to other people - Saitama is perfectly capable of caring about things like sales or video games. Edit: My personal interpretation is that Saitama isn't even really a character, so much as a "force of nature" in a setting that otherwise takes itself relatively seriously (it's kinda like Mob Psycho where it's a gag-heavy story/setting, but where you're still supposed to care about the characters) Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Mar 22, 2024 |
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A character telling Saitama that they have a story to tell is almost always a trigger warning for an overly-long, self-obsessed, ego-driven diatribe for how great/victimized they are. From both Heroes and Monsters. Pretty much every character he meets has a massive ego, until Saitama humbles them
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It is a goofy world, parodic one could say, that takes itself seriously, and Saitama is the one stepping in on the reader's behalf and calling out the nonsense. So yeah that's kinda his deal, but it is a legitimate character motivation for him to try and get past that way of thinking.
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I see Saitama as an addict in recovery against his will. Instead of hitting rock-bottom, he built up such an impossibly high tolerance that he literally can't get high anymore so he gives it up. Completely different reasons to quit but same result. One would think that fighting giant monsters and world-ending catastrophes would cause a rush, but alas, nothing. He's still a good guy, though. Bored, but good. He's also one of the only people in the series that doesn't seem to have anything to prove or anyone to impress. This, perhaps more than anything, sets him at odds with those around him. King, despite being Saitama's foil, closely relates because he's on the opposite end: he knows he's powerless (despite his reputation). He accepts this and tries to make the best of it. Saitama and King being the most "normal" of all the heroes is a central part of the gag.
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I, for one, am shocked at the guy who's character is "can't relate to people anymore" is often uninterested in hearing things about other people
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In the now retconned new chapters, was it a continuity error that Blast had been (implied) shown recovering the black cube at the ninja village, and somehow Empty Void also has it? I wonder if this might be the main reason ONE is redoing all of it...
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I am still eagerly awaiting the day that people with some level of awareness of Saitama's strength misunderstand him saying he's never been able to beat King in a fight
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Bucswabe posted:In the now retconned new chapters, was it a continuity error that Blast had been (implied) shown recovering the black cube at the ninja village, and somehow Empty Void also has it? I think that was a new cube, god has tons of them
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Saitama is a metafictional construction who was created by ONE to satirize and deconstruct genre conventions. Saitama cannot, by nature, take any villain or hero monologues seriously because to believe something, to accept it as part of your reality, is to, in turn, be measured in comparison to it. That is his one and only superpower. Once you're dragged down into a narrative from a lower-order reality where the conventional solution is, at best, a long and tedious training sequence, you've already lost and you're missing out on the things that truly matter (a two-for-one coupon on napa cabbage that's about to expire).
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ImpAtom posted:That is literally the point. He is so strong he has disengaged with life Also the problems that the other characters face which have completely redirected their lives for decades and become central to their idea of self and motivate all their actions are pretty much always something that Saitama could have instantly solved by punching it and then forgetting all about it and moving on. Sometimes they literally are an event which Saitama instantly solved and then forgot about, like all the monsters that people assume King dealt with. He's incapable of understanding why these guys get so hung up about these things which he views as incredibly minor issues which aren't even worth thinking about.
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MonsterEnvy posted:"Ah so you are bored, but won't do anything to try and change that" This is extremely real. People psychologically trapping themselves in a box is a very common, very unhealthy habit.
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According to chapter 186 it's only been a bit over two months since Genos became Saitama's disciple. So even less time for all this crazy poo poo to affect him because Saitama wasn't registered with the Hero Association before that and he'd never seen an S-Class hero and all of these events. So there's even less time to be motivated to change as a person.
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