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Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

First time poster in this subforum, I hope this belongs here.

I first got into photography as a hobby 15 years ago (combined with work in the Navy), and eventually wound up with a reasonable kit. After a long hiatus, I've found myself taking more photos again, and of course with 15 year old gear, stuff breaks, so now I am wondering what to do next.

Current gear:

Nikon D300 (34k shutter actuations, my main camera)
Nikon D70s (40k shutter actuations, not really in use anymore, but it still works)
Nikon SB-800 flash (with an assortment of eneloop batteries)
Nikkor 18-200 VR (the original with red VR-logo, autofocus has issues)
Nikkor 50mm F1.8 AF
Sigma 30mm F1.4
Sigma 10-20mm F4-5.6

I mostly use the D300 with 18-200 for "casual" photography, and the 18-200 now refuses to focus closer than 3ft/1m. It's also binding up a bit when zooming past 130-150 mm, so it's clearly due for a trip to a service center.

Getting that lens fixed is probably going to be $150-300, and I'm not sure that's really worth it. The used DSLR market here is pretty good (e.g. D500 for $1k with 16k shutter actuations, D5100 with 18-200VR and 50mm F1.8 AF-S for $300 etc), so I'm not opposed to just do a wholesale upgrade.

I don't mind staying in the DX world, and grabbing the D500 mentioned above + a used D5x00 "kit" mainly for the lenses + backup body is something I'm seriously considering. How stupid is that? I mainly shoot a mix of landscape and motorsports, so a D500 for $1k is very, very tempting as a "my last DSLR" upgrade.

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Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Well, looks like I'm dipping my toes into FX, came across a barely used (1500 shutter actuations) D750 with a Tamron 24-70 F2.8 G2 for $1200, checking it out after work tomorrow.

E: I bought the D750. Holy poo poo this thing is good.

Wibla fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jun 23, 2022

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Used 24-120 f4 + used 85mm f1.8 or f1.4 depending on the market is what I would go for instead of a 24-70 f2.8.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Mega Comrade posted:

If its for portraits why not get an 85mm prime?
To me a 24-70 is a convenience lens. Something to take when walking about and you don't know what you will shoot and don't have time to switch lenses. For portraits you have as much time as you wish to zoom with your feet.

If you want it for more than just portraits though then yes both the 24-70mm f/2.8E AF-S and the sigma art equivalent are very good for portraits. Also look into the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 G2.

The 24-70 f/2.8E is by all accounts an amazing lens, but it's also huge, heavy and expensive. The Tamron is very good for half the price. I have one, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I still prefer the 24-120 f/4 for day to day use, and for portraits it's not even a contest - 85mm f/1.4 or bust. That said, I ran around with a D300 and an 18-200VR for over 10 years, so 24-70 felt very limiting, and it was too heavy for my taste. The 24-120 is lighter and has longer reach, while being optically good enough.

Looking at mpb you can get the Tamron 24-70 G2 and an 85mm f1.8 for less than the 24-70 f/2.8E.

Or a 24-120 f/4 + 85mm f/1.4 for less than the 24-70 f/2.8E :downs:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

LiterallyATomato posted:

Thank you for the advice! I'll check out those other lenses.

What camera body did you buy?

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

therattle posted:

Alternatively, I could go for the Z5, 24-70/4, and the 85mm 1.8, but that does end up being a lot more expensive (about £400 more than Z50 kit with 85mm), and bigger and heavier (lighter weight simply means I will use the camera more).

Any thoughts? Anything I haven't considered?

Z5, 24-50, 85mm maybe?

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

therattle posted:

I think on a full frame that’s too short a focal range. I looked at the 24-70/4 but it is quite pricy, and looks really heavy. The 16-50 with equivalent FR is much better value, albeit a bit slower, and MUCH lighter.

The 16-50 and 24-50 are pretty similar in weight, but I see where you're coming from with 50mm being too short on FX. I went with the 24-120 f4 when I moved from DX to FX :v:

Re: the 85mm, if you're on DSLR and have no plans to move to mirrorless anytime soon, used 85mm f1.4 D's are often reasonably priced.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

There's also this Sony - Nikon Z adapter that lets you use Sony lenses, might be worth looking at for compact Sony system lenses, too.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Shaocaholica posted:

Big score today on craigslist. D5600 with AF-P 18-55mm and AF-P 70-300G for $50. 'Autofocus is broken'

Was that the FX 70-300 AF-P too? :allears:

I have one, it's amazing.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I got a very reasonable priced FTZ headed my way soon :toot:

I wonder how well my old DX lenses work on the Z30...

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I upgraded from a D300 to a D750, then spent a lot on lenses* :v: it's worth it!

D750+24-120 is my new walkaround kit, and you can find both cheap on the used market.

Then I bought a used Z30 and have a cheap FTZ headed my way so I can use my old DX optics on it. Was that worth it? Probably not, but it's a fun, small camera!

*24-70 f/2.8 came with the D750, then 24-120, 70-300 AF-P, 85mm f/1.4 - all of them were good buys on the used market, thankfully.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Don't discount older D primes, they can be quite good. And often cheap.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

So that Z6II EVF isn't half bad...

Ugh. GAS is the worst.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

vote_no posted:

Not half bad, but still EVF bad? I also have been thinking about a Z6II but coming from a D800 I don’t know if I can deal with the EVF; every one I’ve tried has been terrible.

It did NOT deal well with the indoor lighting at the shop, lots of flickering, so I'd have to test it in proper daylight to really know... but for the things I want to use a Z-camera for right now, I have a Z30 and I have an FTZ in a few days so I think I'll hold off for now anyway.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Got the FTZ adapter today. Z30 with a 30+ year old tokina looks goofy, but works fine (sans AF). My Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 G2 does not work, it needs a fw update. I was prepared for that, though.

Biggest surprise was my old Sigma 30mm f/1.4. I never got along with it on my D70s and D300 due to focus issues, but it works great on the Z30, probably because of how the focus system works in the mirrorless cameras. Never mind the weight :haw:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

SMERSH Mouth posted:

All I was able to ever do to my Tamron 45/1.8 with the TAP-in Console was gently caress up my focus. Eventually I realized it was as good as it could get a 0/0/0 adjustment, but it just doesn’t focus that fast in 3D tracking with my D810.

And also that everything misfocuses somewhat on the left side of the AF zone on that camera.

Everything? Also other lenses? Might be worth getting it calibrated by Nikon.

I'll have to look at finding/borrowing a Tamron tap if I get a Z6II or Z7II, it's not worth the weight on my Z30 :v:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I have a D750 and a Z30. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a D750 for someone on a budget, it is a bargain buy on the used market. Good low light performance (both high ISO and focus performance is very decent), and the ergonomics are good. The buffer on the D750 is not bottomless, so I've switched to jpeg only for BIF photos, but that's a personal preference.

There's also a healthy second-hand market for F-mount lenses, a lot of the older AF-D primes are excellent (but won't focus on the FTZ if you switch to Z later, be aware of this), and are often quite cheap. E.g.: I snagged an 85mm f/1.4D for $350 last fall.

D750 + 70-300 AF-P, cropped a bit:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Z14-30 f/4, check out mpb for used FTZ and AF-P 70-300 (make sure you get the FX version). The 50 f/1.4G is also pretty good, and heaps cheaper than the Z version.

I wouldn't buy a Sony. And the Zfc is a clear downgrade from the Z5, imo.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Seems like a good time to look into a used Z6II :v:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

My 70-300 AF-P fucks around a bit on my D750, focus stops working randomly at 300mm, sometimes recover if I go back to 70mm.

Works fine on my Z30, so I'll have to try to clean the contacts first I guess.

Been eyeing the 80-400 AF-S for light-weight birding though... :shepface:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

On the used market, they're about the same price here. I'm not buying any of those lenses new, particularly not the 80-400.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Can now reproduce the 70-300 focus error on my Z30 too, especially at 300mm. If I zoom out a little bit, it starts working again. Sigh.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I got a discworld-esque mental image of a small imp sitting inside the camera :haw:

Looks like I'm pulling the trigger on a Z7II today.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

That's what credit cards are for, no? :sun:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Mega Comrade posted:

Photography is only as expensive as you make it.
I've got a good camera and all the focul lengths I like. You could probably get everything I've got now in today's prices for £2k

So I don't need to spend penny more now...I will though cos I have low impulse control

I told my mom about my D750 -> Z7II upgrade plans and said that after that I would be set for a long time, she just laughed :v:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Brrrmph posted:

Or try owning a boat. Lord.

Can confirm :suicide:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Bad form to double post, but oh well...

Gear Acquisition Syndrome took charge today and I came home with a Z7II + battery grip + 24-70 f/4 S + 64GB XQD for about $2300

Now I have a Nikon problem...


(D70s and D300 not pictured :downs:)

The Z7II works really well with the 70-300 AF-P, easily as good as with the D750, but there are some oddities with focus tracking. The 24-70 f/4 S is optically really good and a very handy, compact walkaround lens. I guess the 24-120 is even better as such, but with 45 megapixels I have more room to crop, too...

Manual focusing the 85mm f/1.4D is stupid easy and on-sensor VR is definitely a welcome change.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Woah, that 180-600 will be very popular.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I have the same issue with a 24-70 f2.8 G2, only it errors out... So yes, you need to get it updated. Some camera shops can do it for a nominal fee, as well.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Ah, that sucks :smith:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I want to get an L-bracket and wrist strap for my Z7II, I guess it's time to shell out some more money to feed the GAS monster :v:

My tripod is also a 15 year old alu piece of poo poo, that's going to cost a bit to upgrade, must have a proper ball head with a quick release that works with the L-bracket. RIP wallet?

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

huhu posted:

I’m now the proud owner of the Nikon Z 100-400.

I was going to recommend this, or a 70-300 AF-P + FTZ :v:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

The Zfc is more or less a Z50 refresh with "old styling".

I'm not sure a Zf is what's really needed - the Z6II and Z7II are aging and the competition has better/newer cameras out already, but a new sensor sounds interesting.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

FBS posted:

I want to spend a few hundred bucks on a "normal" lens for the D500 so I can try more subjects that aren't small and far away.

Been looking at the 17-55mm 2.8 and 16-80mm 2.8-4 VR DX zooms, is it dumb to spend that much on crop format lenses? The only half-decent lenses I have so far are the 35mm f/1.8 DX and a Tamron 150-600 G2.

Third party lenses have been mentioned. I'd also recommend checking out used lenses.

The 16-85 is also not bad and I've seen them go rather cheap.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011



Looks a lot like they copied most of the Z30 backplate?

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I prefer the D-pad on my Z7II :shrug:

Need to unlearn some bad habits from D750 / D300...

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Mismatched card slots aren't a lot better, though.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

There's a Sony E to nikon Z adapter out there that works pretty well...

Oh and it's f/4 :sun:

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

This bodes well for Z6 III :sun:

Also trying to sell my D750 and some people are absolute jackasses trying to lowball with imaginary competing offers and poo poo. Like what the gently caress.

At this point I might just keep it (it's mint, works fine), and just use it with my old 85mm f/1.4D and my vintage Tokina AT-X 80-200 f/2.8... not like I need the $750 or so I was looking to get for it anyway.

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Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Some photo gear has dropped off a cliff, but the D750 still sell around that here, somehow. KEH and MPB are also up around $700-800+ depending on condition. This camera has basically no wear and less than 15k shutter count, so :shrug:
Got a guy "thinking about it" at 7500 NOK right now, so we'll see?

The Z7 II that I bought in June was pretty cheap, I landed at 25k NOK ($2300ish) for the camera, battery grip and a 24-70 f/4 S lens, which is a steal, but that camera is well used with >150k shutter count and it looks like it has been to war :eng101:

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