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I'd replace Dunkirk with Blade Runner 2049. Zimmer is often a bore for my ears, but his send up of Vangelis is loving jaw dropping. 2049 Flight to LAPD As for some recommendations: I'm going to run out of synonyms for "great" before the list is done. Hajime Mizoguchi's score for the film Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade is all around fantastic. Pride The vocal reprise of Pride in Grace Omega is beautiful as well, before slamming into a wicked electric guitar riff. You all probably know Joe Hisaishi's music is brilliant, but having recently rewatched Princess Mononoke, it cannot be overstated just how phenomenal the music is. The Legend of Ashitaka The Journey to the West Main Theme Paul Leonard Morgan's DREDD soundtrack is pretty dope Mega City One Junkie XL isn't the best composer in the world, but he does mix his action cues really well and he's real good when firing on all cylinders. 300 Rise of an Empire: Marathon Fury Road: Brothers in Arms Alexandre Desplat's Godzilla soundtrack was surprisingly old school and I appreciated it's weirdness a lot. Godzilla! Last Shot Godzilla's Victory God, listening to the Godzilla tracks makes me wish Rogue One had kept Desplat instead of going with Giacchino's mediocre at best soundtrack. Though the guys who should really be given a shot at composing for a Star Wars movie are Mark Griskey and Jesse Harlin.
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Dr. Gargunza posted:Is Desplat's Rogue One score available anywhere? The guy just knows how to do a pastiche; his soundtrack for The Monuments Men does a great job of evoking the spirit of latter-day WW2 flicks like Kelly's Heroes. I don't think the score actually exists. According to this article, the Rogue One reshoots caused a delay which led to a scheduling conflict for Desplat, since he had also signed on to do the Valerian soundtrack. So he probably didn't get the chance to even start composing because of the setbacks. He also didn't want to work under John Williams's shadow again, since he apparently felt a lot of pressure doing Deathly Hallows and needing to reintegrate elements of Williams's Harry Potter scores into the film. The Rogue One production must have been an absolute clusterfuck.
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Digging up ancient stuff from this thread, I found a James Horner score that doesn't make me want to rip my ears off for being a complete ripoff of his earlier work. Mask of Zorro! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA9NbU_R-y4 Watching a bunch of 90s films, Horner also has a few other recycled tracks and motifs that don't get brought up as much. One of them is the "danger whistle" which plays a lot in Zorro and in Legends of the Fall.
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Jan 25, 2018 05:21
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He's only doing the Solo main theme, while John Powell is doing most of the score. The rearrangement of Han Solo and the Princess sounds a bit like a requiem for their relationship considering how it ended with them apart and then dead.
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Jesse Harlin and Mark Griskey are always going to be my preferred picks to score a star wars film. They both "get" the spirit of Williams' music better than anyone without aping his music too much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIoYjsKWLmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe4wzUYzmTA Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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I really feel like Williams was trying to channel Maurice Jarre in his Lost World soundtrack. I get Lawrence of Arabia hints in the Lost World main theme. Late 90s Williams also has one of his weakest soundtracks as well, Saving Private Ryan. It's not because the music is bad, it is just so tonally wrong for that particular movie. SPR as a film tries to tear down the notion that the war was a noble cause and instead focuses on how sending eight men to their deaths to save one man is a total waste. Matt Damon is left psychologically scarred by the ordeal and having to live with the fact that his own blind patriotism got more men killed. But John Williams apparently didn't get that memo and wrote some of the most swelling patriotic greatest generation adoring pomp in his entire catalogue. It clashes so completely with the film of think it was intentional satire if it wasn't so sincere sounding. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 07:05
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Silvestri's best Marvel theme is still the Captain America march.
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Feb 26, 2018 07:18
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It just sounds like Enterprising Young Men played on a harpsichord to me.
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Feb 26, 2018 18:03
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I've been skimming through orchestral remixes of television scores and I came across a London Symphony Orchestra rendition of the original Gundam Soundtrack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXsokrngCBg For reference, this is what the original sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn27jQAuoWw
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I'm usually not too fond of Zimmer. He's fine as a composer and I don't have the seething frustration for him like I did for James Horner, but he's mostly just perfunctory in my mind. But his Blade Runner score knocked it out of the park. Stuff like the opening titles or the Flight to the LAPD or Wallace are outstanding ambient tracks.
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The incidental music in the Marvel films is very scattershot with regards to quality. Their title themes tend to be good, but moment to moment music suffers a lot.
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I haven't been a fan of Tyler Bates since he ripped off Elliot Goldenthal and was blatant enough to get sued for it, but his music for the Guardians of the Galaxy movies is the best Marvel stuff outside of Alan Silvestri's Captain America soundtrack. Black Tears To The Stars Sacrifice Groot Cocoon
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I rewatched V for Vendetta today and I forgot how good its soundtrack could be. Good movie even if anytime it's brought up someone complains that the book is better for not leaning into American politics.
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Mar 24, 2018 05:14
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Ennio also did the soundtrack for The Thing. That's about the last place I'd expect to see him. My favourite bit of his music is still Man with a Harmonica, though.
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Darko posted:Legends of the Fall had that, and it was actually really good. I actually think legends of the fall's music is rather overblown. It's just not that good a movie and the overbearing music doesn't help. Plus being a James Horner score it still has his obsession with recycling motifs. It just me but I think the hissing scare chord he uses goes better with Zorro than with scalping Germans.
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Mar 30, 2018 15:45
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The Solo soundtrack deserved a better movie.
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Jul 19, 2018 08:07
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Is he going to be "creative Blade Runner levels of awesome" Hans Zimmer or "repeat my brass section ad infinitum" Hans Zimmer?
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Aug 24, 2018 05:22
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Tan Dun's work on Hero and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon is phenomenal. For the World is such a fantastic theme.
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Video game music I know, but I have to give Paul Ruskay credit for making some absolutely killer scores for the Homeworld games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTl7O1BEPXE To tie this back to Film/Television scores, you'd be deaf not to hear the massive influence Ruskay's Homeworld music had on Bear Mccreary's score for Battlestar Galactica.
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Giacchino frustrates me because he has made a lot of music that I really really like, but his score for Rogue One just hit everything wrong to my ear. Trying to mimic John Williams only ever ends in failure. His soundtrack, while having a few good tracks (Krennic's theme is sweet), sounded like half a million other half-baked star wars fanfilm musical scores. The main title theme is so unbelievably bad and corny it actually managed to spoil the Star Destroyer ramming scene for me. Overreaction? Yes, but then I'm also the guy who shudders violently whenever I hear a James Horner soundtrack cannibalizing half a dozen other James Horner soundtracks.
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Enterprising Young Men is Giacchino's masterwork and one of the best themes from any Star Trek project. I am disappointed that Alexandre Desplat dropped out of the Rogue One scoring stage, because it gave us a Giacchino rush job, but at the same time I'm kind of glad that he did. He had an interview a couple of years ago where he said that he was uncomfortable working with the spectre of John WIlliams hanging over him when he did the last couple Harry Potter soundtracks, so he didn't want to go through that again. I can understand that, and I think he made the right call, even if a Desplat Star Wars score could have been amazing. John Powell managed to come out with his own unique musical style that still fit Star Wars with his Solo soundtrack. The main theme for Solo may have been adapted from a John Williams piece, but Powell really made the music in the film his own. Meanwhile I loved Williams's work on Force Awakens, but found so much of The Last Jedi's music dull dull dull. My favourite thing about Williams is how he builds on his leitmotifs and then tailors them to suit each scene. I can immediately tell the difference between the use of the Rebel theme during the Tie Fighter attack in A New Hope from the theme's use in Return of the Jedi because he's added more layers and given it greater urgency to emphasize the higher stakes. I was so let down in Last Jedi where he just reused Rey and Kylo's themes wholesale and did nothing to change them up. Then he reused the Rebellion theme again during the Battle of Crait because they were doing an homage to the Death Star 2 attack by flying through the caves. Again, just a recycled theme rather than a further development of the theme, all because the scene was a reference to Return of the Jedi. Yes, when I play them back to back, I can hear the differences in notation and they are distinct, but they don't feel like they're being used to develop the theme as much as they're just there to be a call back. Williams had every chance to do something different, and had a golden opportunity to tailor the music given that he was working with the editors from day one to make sure each scene had the right themes playing at exactly the right times. So many composers come in after filming is finished and are told "make this sound good", while Williams had months to work on the score. And it does work: the musical timing in Last Jedi is superb, the new themes, what few there are, hit the notes perfectly and can make even the most inane crap like the cat-horse rampage through casino world at least sound exciting. It's just when Williams does callbacks to his older music, he's really lacking that polished touch he'd use to make them new again. They just sound like placeholders, and it's a letdown. The lack of development in the music seems to mirror how Last Jedi as a story just spins its wheels and does very little to actually push things forward. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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If/when Williams finally retires, I hope that DIsney gives Jesse Harlin or Mark Griskey a shot at scoring a bigtime Star Wars movie. KOTOR 2 The Sith Lords has one of the best non-williams Star Wars soundtracks ever, and the Force Unleashed had a really good main theme as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LBsU4rNkkM It, like Powell's music, manages to hit the vibe of Williams without copying him. It's so easy to slap a WIlliams tune on a product and call it a day, much harder to make something unique. I roll my eyes anytime someone like Kevin Kiner or Giacchino think they're being clever or feeding nostalgia to people by playing a few bars of the Imperial March. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Since someone brought up Jurassic Park I'll point out that The Lost World's score is amazing and I think Williams was taking some big inspiration from Maurice Jarre. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laPiPI4RKU I feel that Williams was directly referencing the overture to Lawrence of Arabia with the opening drums.
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The T. Rex attack theme when Eddie is trying to save the trailer is so good. I also like the little rising four note theme Williams uses to create a sense of foreboding throughout the film. It's a nice contrast to the descending four note progression of the first film's raptor leitmotif.
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Giacchino's music sounds like the kind of thing you get for a Star Wars fanfilm. Little of its own identity but distinct enough to avoid a lawsuit. So I actually find much of his rogue one soundtrack pretty lame. The hero theme for the movie is so bad it actively ruins the star destroyer ramming scene because it is just so out of place. The best non-Williams Star Wars composer is Mark Griskey, hands down. His music hits a lot of the subtler stuff that Williams can do rather than aping his bombastic themes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcxMiGjA1u0 This music is written entirely for a single, incredibly minor character in the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGI8mWG9VCk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjngOprs6As They still nail the atmosphere of Star Wars while also having a muted, uneasy feel to them that matches the game's tone perfectly. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Aug 31, 2019 |
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Aug 31, 2019 02:17
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Elliot Goldenthal also made the best 300 music that Tyler Bates used as temp tracks and then released as his own plagiarized score.
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it only took them forty years to make an honest to goodness space western
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I got some Temple of Doom vibes from the main titles for The Mandalorian. The trumpet section is a meaner variation of Parade of the Slave Children.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzkOHxuWGv4 I hope göransson keeps this up because it is such a nice change of pace from John Williams imitators.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQBodvlbSI0 This will probably get taken down soon, but John Williams seems to be pulling out all the stops for his last hurrah. Certainly better than his Last Jedi score, which I feel is probably his weakest Star Wars music due to it mostly being variations on existing themes.
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The Mandalorian score has continued to be stellar at least.
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Darko posted:I re-listened to Phantom Menace (which is a really, really excellent score and possibly top 3 in the series) and then Revenge (as a more fitting comparison) to compare, and the big issue is that this one has nothing really new at all for themes. I mean, it has two new themes/motifs, but they don't seem to peak anywhere or do anything interesting and sound like lesser versions of stuff from his scores from, like, Minority Report. So then, everything else are just motifs peaking in and out of Mickey Mousing. This is how I felt about The Last Jedi's score. Having watched Rise of Skywalker, I feel the same way, but I also noticed some really weird music choices that were lifted straight from the Prequels and sounded really out of place. When Zori and Poe are chatting on the rooftop it's playing the music from Attack of the Clones where Cliegg tells Anakin about the Sand People attack on their farmstead. That's a really subtle piece of music but it's also one of the best tracks from Episode 2 so it sounds weird being played out of context. Force Awakens still has an excellent soundtrack but honestly it feels like Williams was tapped out so he just started playing his classics and edited them to fit the timecodes. Still better than Rogue One's first draft soundtrack that sounds like something out of a fanfilm. Somebody hire Mark Griskey and get him to make more Star Wars music. The guy gets the subtle parts of Williams's scores and doesn't go overboard on the bombast.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XaBl9Wem1s Going back and listening to more of The Mandalorian score and holy loving poo poo I forgot just how good the music in Chapter 4 is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVyRHfusI0E Jin-Roh has one of my favourite soundtracks, but given my opinions on music being used to manipulate emotions, it shouldn't be in my top faves. I have a big issue with films, TV shows or games that rely on their music to tell you "THIS IS THE SAD SCENE YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD NOW WHY DON'T YOU FEEL SAD???" It's why I find James Horner music is often overblown, or how I think that the soundtrack for Mass Effect 3 is working overtime to try and squeeze emotion out of a presentation that doesn't do nearly enough to earn the emotional response they're gunning for with all the melodrama. But Jin-Roh is kinda different, and I'll try to explain why. If you've never seen the film, it's a very muted movie, with a very grey and brown colour palette, a slow burn story and minimal dialogue. Despite being an animated film, it eschews pretty much every anime trope I can think of, and I think it's this intentional presentation that makes the soundtrack so effective. The soundtrack isn't trying to tell you when to be sad; instead it is intentionally juxtaposing the expression of emotion against a world shown to be struggling with the need for change. The film might be a Red Riding Hood parable but thematically its more about the resistance to societal change and how established groups have extreme difficulty letting change happen. Fuse represents the unwillingness or inability to change and Kei, the film's most expressive character, represents why change needs to happen. But because these are concepts that require individual outbursts to even consider being an option, much of the underlying tension in the film is left unsaid, as the characters struggle to find the courage to actually speak the words or express how they actually feel. So you get this intentional disconnect between the evocative music and the emotionally restrained performances and I think it works brilliantly. It's a fantastic soundtrack and a great movie, and it's one of the few "elicit emotions now!" soundtracks that I adore.
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It was good but the best stuff was the themes for the other planets. The Atreides and Sardaukar music was great. For space middle east music you can't top Paul Ruskay's Homeworld 2 music.
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I watched Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence after hearing the main theme a few weeks ago. Great movie, even better music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AS_hGzkoQY
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The cancer finally got him huh
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Doesn't have to die when you can throw the amazing Godzilla Minus One soundtrack in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fylCln00s0M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Gn52D7EmU
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