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veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

BurgerQuest posted:

Does any one have/have experience with the VW Golf GTD? I've got a MkV GTI at the moment and love it, but I'm starting to get ready to upgrade to something a bit newer, have been thinking the GTD might be a nice move sideways into diesel.

The GTD is basically just a GTI with the diesel engine. We can't get it here in the US which sucks rear end. I'd love the extra hp over mine.

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veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

fknlo posted:

It seems like my 2013 Golf TDI gets significantly worse mileage the colder the temperature gets. Am I crazy or is this normal?

This is normal as others have said. I have been averaging around 42 mpg tank average. This tank is sitting around 39 because it's been so loving cold. My car isn't up to full operating temp until about 5 miles into my trip to or from work. What's really wierd about the car, and I mean it makes sense but is kind of counterintuitive, I get better mileage when there is traffic than when there isn't. When I'm stuck in traffic, I'm usually creeping along at 1500rpms in 3rd gear vs doing 60-70.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

InterceptorV8 posted:

I think the best was when I had some wannabe hippies screaming about no blood for oil when I was filling up my F250 with B99 Biodiesel. I guess the huge banners everywhere with BIODIESEL in three foot tall letters where too hard to read.

What was sad is they had a one year old car and it was already beat to poo poo, I wouldn't be surprised if it was in the junkyard now already. I wouldn't run Bio in the winter unless you lived in a warm place or had tank heaters. I had problems with gelling at like 40F. Someday I need to have my old truck gone through.

I have had my car for over a year now and no one has cautioned me :( No one is helpful out here in CO. Also, I'm about loving tired of people blocking the diesel pump when there are clearly 8 empty gas pumps they could be filling up at.

Did you explain to the hippies how their Prius does more damage to the environment than a gas guzzling SUV before it even reaches the US shores?

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Ferremit posted:

Doesnt happen quite so much in Aus- Guess diesels are a hell of a lot more common over here than in the US.

We do get a huge number of chucklefucks parking in front of the diesel pumps to go to the shop in the servo tho...

Diesels have had a bad rep in the US for a few decades due to the fact that the only real vehicles you were able to buy were lovely GMs and big trucks which love to belch black smoke. The Germans didn't really make a push to get diesels into the country until the late 90s. But the stigma still exists.

I love my TDI. All the fuel economy of a hybrid, all the torque of a tractor. Plus the TDI Golf comes equipped basically the same as a GTI and costs less while having a higher resale value down the line.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
In response to why hybrid diesels aren't a thing. The loving chicken tax. Take that bullshit off the books, get rid of the ridiculous restrictions the EPA put on diesels in the past 10 years and you'll have a hybrid getting 100+ mpg.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
I still haven't bought or built an engine for the bug yet. Wonder if I could stuff an old pd in the rear end end of it.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

fknlo posted:

When I was shopping I recall seeing 2 year old Jettas with 50k on the clock listing for around a thousand less than new ones. I doubt they're selling for that much, but that's loving nuts.

I paid 24k for my Golf TDI brand spanking new. My buddy at work who had an identical car traded his in for a new Acura and got 21k trade in for it. Buying a TDI unless it has a fuckton of miles on it is almost always better to buy new. It's a really strange beast. The Golf TDI is essentially a GTI with a TDI engine for 4000 less.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

fknlo posted:

I didn't really shop the GTI, but I've been with my friend on a couple of test drives, and yeah, a similarly equipped GTI was just shy of $29k. :psyduck:

I can't believe people shell out $30k+ for GTI's and $35k+ for the R. It's a loving hatchback.

If I could swing the extra 100 a month I'd get a Golf R. 262 hp awd, yes please. But then I'd lose my 42mpg :(

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Ferremit posted:

The Diesel Skyactiv motors in the CX5 even have the added feature of "Bonus oil!"

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/backlash-over-mazda-cx5-diesel-oil-issues-20120821-24k6w.html

Apparently it looks like the regen cycle is a tad too energetic and dilutes the engine oil with unburnt fuel, requiring owners to check every 1000kms and if the oil goes above full, get it changed!

The same issue can happen on the new TDI. This is why you aren't supposed to use anything more then 5% bio.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Shifty Pony posted:

Going with a sedan over the wagon is my only regret on my car. Every now and then I think about rectifying that but then I really do like the 2010 and the trunk really is giant enough to do everything that I need it to do, only I have to take both wheels off my bike to put it into the trunk.

Having gone from a sedan to the Golf, I will never go back to a sedan. The hatch just makes the car so much more useful. Even with the car being a full 18" shorter than my GLI I can cram twice as much poo poo in it because of the hatch. The golf really doesn't lose that much capacity compared to the wagon unless you -need- the back seats. With the seats folded down you can jam tons of stuff in the car.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Shifty Pony posted:

So what I'm hearing is I need to sell my 2010 Jetta TDI and upgrade to a 2013 Sportwagon TDI... ;)

More realistic: pick up a dirt cheap beater truck, which are plentiful in Texas.

Well at least the 2010 was still the "good" jetta. Now if you were driving say a "new" jetta that might be a good idea. But living in Texas, it's probably easier to just ask someone to help you move big poo poo :)

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Shifty Pony posted:

I'm just saying it is really hard to justify a wagon when I can pick up a late 80's or early 90's F-150 with the 300 Inline-6 and manual transmission for about two grand, in a state where there is no such thing as road salt. Sure they drink gas but for occasional hauling trips it isn't a bad deal. Or find a late 90s ranger with a dead or dying cologne v6 and do a Cummins 4bt diesel swap...

Or as you say just butter up a truck-driving friend with promises of beer and BBQ.

I'd love to have a sportier car and a lovely truck for hauling, but I just don't have the space for it. There are very few things I miss about living in Texas, but having a large plot of land to store extra vehicles is one of them. I just went back home to visit the parents over the week of new years and every time I go back there is a different set of vehicles there. This time there was a new bay window bus hanging out. They're still storing the 64 1 owner all original bug I found for 500 bucks about 10 years ago in the airplane hangar :)

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Zenostein posted:

That's correct, unless someone is looking for a new Jetta, especially the sedan version.

As an aside: am I doing something bad by shifting at 2k, a bit after the turbo engages? As I understand it, the 2L tdi spools it up at about 1750rpm. I tend to shift up at about 2k (generally less). I know that with the tfsi engines you want to run them up a bit to shoot carbon out of them. Am I doing something bad by generally not doing so? Apart from a few 400+mi. runs, I'm puttering about town in 35, 40, 45, and 50 mph zones.

Should I let the engine go up to 2.5k or 3k?

I have a 2.0L Tdi, in a 2010 jetta.

This is pretty much how I drive mine. But it does get an italian tuneup every few days just because.

Also, for anyone that lives in the colder climates, look into getting some 3/4" pipe insulation and filling in the lower grill. This has helped my warm up times immensely with the lovely weather we've been having out here. I usually leave the house with the temps around 0 and my garage around 30.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Shifty Pony posted:

To complete the thought... Just because the absurd flat torque curve starting at 2k rpm makes launching yourself up the freeway onramp in third gear so much fun to do from time to time.

Speaking of torks. People were driving like complete fucktards this morning, so I went into rear end in a top hat mode and decided to give the car a tune up. I love downshifting to third and running it up to that ever so crazy redline of 4800 to pass a line of idiots doing 50 in both the middle and left lane.

This car is so much more fun to drive than my GLI ever was.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
I covered the lower grill on my '11 just to get up to temp faster. Subsequently it has improved my mileage quite a bit on my commute.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Ayem posted:

I'm definitely considering doing this. What did you cover it with?

3/4" pipe insulation.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
I covered my grill mostly for the extra fuel economy. My garage isn't heated, but it is insulated so even on the coldest shittiest mornings, the car is still usually above freezing. Add the seat warmers and a good jacket and I can handle the 10 minutes it takes to get to temp for the heater to start working.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Atomic Mitten posted:

I know as a general rule Americans prefer oil changes but changes every 5k? Isn't that half the interval? That poo poo gets black inside 2 minutes in a PD anyway :)

No no, the oil companies prefer oil changes ever 3-5k :)

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
What he said. Also, you can't even get awd unless you buy the dsg. Personally I think the Golf looks better than the A3 too.

Woa, holy poo poo. The diesel is -only- automatic. What the gently caress Audi.

E2: hahaha, not only is the TDI automatic only, its also 2wd only, hahahahaha. There is only 1 reason to buy an Audi instead of a VW and that is AWD. The base model a3 tdi is almost 10k more than a base tdi golf.

e3: For some reason it also costs audi 100 dollars more than vw to deliver the car. A 2dr (why would you want a 4door anyway) golf with tech package (sunroof,nav,xenons) is 27600, while the a3 which does not even have an option for a sunroof and I have no clue if it has nav or xenons is 31600. But you get 4 rings, more expensive maintenance and leather seats. Personally leather seats are a negative so I see no reason to bother with the Audi.

Also, when did Audi stop offering the A4 in a wagon. I want a TDI a4 wagon with AWD and man trans. But this will never happen.

veedubfreak fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Feb 6, 2013

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Opensourcepirate posted:

If you have easy access to biodiesel, using a low percentage works great for lubricity; like 2-5%. There's some fairly extensive threads on lubricity and additives on the tdiclub forums.

Edit: And an 03 will do fine with higher levels of biodiesel. You can't go too high on the new 2.0 CR engines because it screws up the regen cycle. VW will also void the warranty for biodiesel fuel use above a certain threshold, which I think is 5%.

Yeah, I just looked it up and and you can up to B5.

The reason the new CR isn't supposed to use bio is because bio doesn't burn off correctly when running a regen and ends up in the oil. This is fine and dandy, and only causes issues if you don't pay attention to your oil level and or go too long without an oil change.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

ThirstyBuck posted:

There is truly no point; it's the most uninspiring engine I've ever driven. When I was living in France I had a friend with a MKIV Golf TDI 4motion (5-6 speed?) and another with a chipped Seat Léon turbo diesel. I've got a thread open on vwvortex soliciting ideas about my mileage...but that is non-diesel related chatter.


Any further word of the VW Golf GTD coming here in 2014? I'm working on getting a new job and I would love to replace the Golf with a TDI.

Won't ever happen. VW doesn't bring the good cars to the US. Plus it would cannibalize GTI sales.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Opensourcepirate posted:

Isn't the Golf TDI we get pretty close to a GTI though, aside from the engine?

The GTI gets bigger brakes, 18" wheels standard, different front bumper/foglights. It's also slightly lower with stiffer springs. But the golf TDI has a springset between the GTI and standard Golf.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Powershift posted:

13,000 gallons in 300,000 miles. nearly 50% of the price of a new truck.

And we can all blame the assholes who run CARB. Even without the dpf and other bullshit on these new cars, the diesels are cleaner than any state other than Cali requires.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
Well, if you weren't familiar with the older jetta, the new ones went back to the lovely trailing arm suspension, lost all the nice soft touch interior for lovely GM quality hard plastics. Basically they went down market as far as luxury goes so that they could hit that 17k starting point to compete with poo poo like Kia and Hyundai. Unless the TDI models get better stuff.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

fknlo posted:

Just did my first real road trip with my Golf and got an indicated 36.4 mpg for the whole 1500 mile trip. Not bad since we had 4 dudes and all of our ski gear stuffed inside and the entire first half of the trip was uphill from Kansas City to Breckenridge. We originally started with the boards and skis up on the roof rack which was absolutely murdering the mileage we were getting, but the rack attachment failed so we had to jam everything inside and it went way up from there :v:

That sounds about right. I did 2000 miles round trip over the week of new years by myself from Denver to Huntsville, TX and got about that kind of mileage, but I was averaging 80mph the whole way. I don't get the best mileage in mine though because I have 19" wheels instead of the stock 17s.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

TWBalls posted:

Oh, okay. I was a bit worried it was something reliability wise that might have been a problem. I'm inclined to agree about the interior. I sprung for the premium package so that I could get the Fender Audio system and while it sounds nice, it does cause the door panels to vibrate at higher volumes. I'm hoping some Dynamat will help fix that.

I've noticed a few of you talking about MT TDI's. I had a hell of a time finding a dealership that had any in stock and when they did, unfortunately, none were offered with any premium features. I was looking forward to having a manual again after my last car, but the DSG sure seems a lot nicer than the AT that was in my older 3.2TL Type-S. Since I'm currently commuting about 123Mi a day, I really wanted a descent Stereo and at least some luxuries.

That's because the DSG is a manual transmission. It is just a dual clutch manual that shifts for you, no torque converter like a traditional auto. Finding a stick is getting harder and harder these days, I lucked out on mine. I went to 2 dealers and the 2nd one just happened to have a TDI with stick and sunroof that was ordered for someone else that backed out. I got the car for invoice and raked the dealership over the coals by making them take the custom stereo out of my trade and put it in the new car :) Cost them 1800 in labor and parts.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

TWBalls posted:

I'm not really much of a car guy, so I didn't really know much about DSG when I went in to look at the TDI's (I originally went in to look at a MT version, but went with my current car for the upgraded Stereo). I just figured they only put DSG in the sports type of cars (Like a GTI or something) and only knew about the 'flappy paddle' type. When the salesman suggested the DSG/Tiptronic option, I was a bit hesitant since the car I was trading in was an Auto w/ Tiptronic and that thing had quite a delay when shifting ('03 Acura 3.2TL Type-S). After driving though, I was quite impressed.

I'll take having to shell out $300. every 40k miles over having to have my Transmission rebuilt every ~30k-ish miles like on the Acura*.



*Long story short: Made it to 100k miles before the transmission poo poo the bed. Took it into a transmission specialist, had them rebuild it. About 30k miles later, it goes out again. They rebuilt it again, this time under warranty, but was still out money for the rental car while it was being worked on. It was coming up to 160k miles when I traded it in and it was already beginning to exhibit behavior of a bad gear or two.


^^^
It was nice & warm last week. I've been getting the best mileage I've ever gotten. Most of Winter, I've averaged about 48MPG (not bad for a car rated for 42MPG) but yesterday I was set to average 53MPG. Unfortunately, due to some construction there was traffic, so I ended up with 52.4MPG. So much better than the 30MPG I could average under the best of conditions in my previous car.

My last 4 vw's have been manual and I've never had to rebuild any of them. Sounds like you just got a bad mechanic.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
Which is why the TDI is one of the few cars that makes sense to buy new :)

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
3m Clear Bra man, 3m clear bra.

I have close to 20k on my Golf and not a single mark on the front of the car. My windshield is already glittery as gently caress at night though. So many rear end in a top hat rock haulers out here in CO that throw poo poo on the road constantly.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

TWBalls posted:

:aaa: How have I never heard of this? This sounds perfect. Thank You!

***edit***
Crap, it's a bit pricey and they said it'll take 2 days to install. I think I'm gonna go ahead and do it, but I'll need to save up a bit (and have the existing damage fixed)first.

2 days? I had an 18" hood bra and full bumper coverage + headlights and all windows tinted in around 4 hours. It cost 900 for everything when I did mine, but was well worth it.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
Does mercedes even make manuals?

Did you just say cheap and Merc in the same sentence?

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

fknlo posted:

When I was shopping, I never saw a single used Golf TDI. Not once. With used car prices what they are I probably wasn't going to buy used, but I didn't see a single one. It's kind of awesome knowing that if I ever decide to sell mine it'll go almost instantly at some ludicrous price :cool:



I definitely don't have any regrets so far.

Nice lookin car there buddy. Has too many doors though.



Yes, I run 19"s in the snow, all year round :)

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Bovril Delight posted:

For me I just like the body lines more. I also rarely have more than 1 passenger so it is nice to have giant doors to get in and out.

This. Also, when I bought the car, it was the only one they had with all the options I wanted, so I took what I could get. Kinda wish it was a 4door though because my insurance would be 15 bucks cheaper a month.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Shifty Pony posted:

If there are I haven't found them in three years. I would suggest acquainting yourself with the thing that VW calls a jack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2NzTeGXlqw

Remove that loving jack (or leave it) but just go get a AAA membership. There's a reason those things are called widowmakers. I've had one slip on me with perfectly level terrain. Luckily it happened after I already had most of the lugs in the wheel.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

qutius posted:

I happened to check APRs site and see they have a tune for the TDI now. I REALLY liked their GTI tune but wondered if it was worth it with the diesel.

They have a sale knocking $100 bucks off at the moment, taunting me further and just in case you end up checking them out.

APR has great tunes for gassers. If possible go with Malone, also Revo has a decent tune for the TDI. Don't expect a lot though, the emissions equipment on the car strangles it more than the tune. Also, if you do tune and have DSG you'll want to get a tune for that also.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Shifty Pony posted:

Meh, in that case I don't think I'll bother with it. I'll have the 7.3 (which is already tuned) to gently caress around with if I want silly power.

Ya, I don't plan on tuning mine because if the fuel pump grenades that's just one more way for them to try to weasel out of warrantying it. Plus, the car already has enough torque to get me in trouble in traffic as it is :)

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
The reasons to buy a TDI include:

Good fuel economy while still having enough tork to get out of the way of stupid people.
The interior is going to be better than a standard econobox.
If taken care of, the TDI will last forever.

But, just remember that it is still a European car, so you can't just drive it for 50k without ever touching the oil or any other maintenance like some people do to their Japanese counterparts.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

Steve French posted:

Thanks guys. Checked it out, it had some other problems with it as well and was generally not in great condition, so he passed.

What was the "leak" ?

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

compton rear end terry posted:

I'm going to look at an 06 Jetta TDI at lunch tomorrow. 123k miles, one owner, clean carfax. Besides the standard asking of maintenance records (OIL CHANGE and TIMING BELT), anything model specific to look/listen for?

That's the last year of the high mpg TDI. 123k is barely broke in. That thing probably gets 50+ if you drive it right. Just being an mkV though I would look for the standard wear and tear items VW loves to kill. Stuff like wheel bearings and the like.

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veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe

xelpmoc posted:

The torque is really awesome and it makes it more fun to drive most of the time but I guess I just liked the 3's lighter steering and better feedback.

The golf has electric power assist. It adjusts assist depending on speed. I really like it compared to traditional power steering. I went from a GLI that had the sport suspension to the TDI and thought about changing springs to get a bit stiffer ride, but once you get used to the way it handles, it really is almost perfect. It doesn't beat the poo poo out of you, is -just- tall enough to not scrape constantly and let you hoon around like an rear end in a top hat. My GLI at factory ride height was scraping everything. In the Golf I can barrel through intersections and parking lot entrances without dragging rear end.

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