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I honestly don't have a problem with prong collars but I don't really think I'd be super comfortable giving corrections, no. They don't really advocate corrections on puppies and green dogs because it fucks up their drive and enthusiasm but still. Training with the +R club honestly seems pointless though. It seems more like a group that shares equipment more than anything else. Maybe I should just bail on Schutzhund for now and do something else  . I have been tempted to try out agility.E; New page, have pics This is Vecna's new favorite place  He finally grew into the collar I bought for Saber 
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Triangulum posted:Man I don't know what to do about Schutzhund. Right now I'm holding off on joining a club until Vecna finishes his private classes because I want him to learn how to relax and self soothe before we get serious about doing sports. But we have gone and checked out most of the local clubs and I am having a hard time figuring out which to join. One club is really close to me (we could walk if we wanted) and is all +R based but less focused on teaching new handlers and seems really cliquey. The club director also completely ignored me and directed all questions towards my husband, which pissed me off. The other club uses corrections but owns their own tracking field, is heavily teaching focused, runs the SV breed survey here, and seems a lot more serious but is over an hour away. Not that this has anything to do with the classes and Venca, per se, but I wouldn't want to work with someone who was unwilling to directly address me. Its the year 2013, for Christ's sake. If neither of them are quite what you want, why not try Treibball (which Venca might really enjoy) or agility?
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Apr 3, 2013 19:41
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I'd probably drive the hour, if these people really seemed to know what they're talking about. No one is going to force you to "correct" your dog if you don't want to and I'm sure there's plenty more to be learned there. Plus, corrections shouldn't come until a dog is well versed in an exercise, so it'd probably give you a good long while before you have to decide whether you want to use them. Agility is also awesome. IPO is so danged demanding.
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Apr 3, 2013 20:12
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wtftastic posted:Not that this has anything to do with the classes and Venca, per se, but I wouldn't want to work with someone who was unwilling to directly address me. Its the year 2013, for Christ's sake. Holy poo poo, I got so mad reading about how they spoke to your husband and not you, Triangulum  I wouldn't choose that club either, because I hold a mean grudge.
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Apr 3, 2013 20:19
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Well for what it's worth I wouldn't have chosen them either based on that; it's pretty dickish. Maybe see if you can do the hour-away club and try it without the corrections. I dunno. Agility would also be cool.
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a life less posted:I'd probably drive the hour, if these people really seemed to know what they're talking about. No one is going to force you to "correct" your dog if you don't want to and I'm sure there's plenty more to be learned there. Plus, corrections shouldn't come until a dog is well versed in an exercise, so it'd probably give you a good long while before you have to decide whether you want to use them. I was seriously going to say exactly this. Especially if they don't use corrections on younger dogs, it sounds like they know what they're doing. You can always use the club to get down the basics and either work with them and ALL learn more R+ methods, or at THAT point switch to the other club.
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Apr 3, 2013 21:37
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Triangulum posted:
I'm out of town tonight, I'll try to grab some tomorrow and measure how tall he is; that won't be an easy task. He's either running around being crazy or sitting looking at you like "Where's my treat, I'm sitting"
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I read this entire thread a few weeks ago, now I'm finally qualified to post here! We picked up 8-week old Logan from the breeder yesterday, then started the 9-ish hour drive home. He only cried for about 15 minutes in the car, then took a nap. He was all kinds of cuddly, and completely settled in within a couple of hours. He figured out that he likes the vents blowing on him and hogged all my AC while I was driving. He also made friends with a lab in Vail and started howling in the backseat when he got lonely. We got home around 10 pm, played in the backyard even though it was dark, and he figured out how to use the four stairs to the backdoor almost immediately...going down at less than full speed took a couple of failures to figure out though. He even started eating last night.  This morning we played for almost an hour straight after he entertained himself in the crate for a while. He started falling asleep in my lap, so I walked over and sat next to his crate...he went inside on his own, chewed his toy for a minute, then moved to the corner and fell asleep. Chilling in the backseat for a bit on the drive home.  Waiting for new mom to back from inside the store with more water.  This morning after playing for like 45 minutes straight.  Three minutes later. 
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Congrats on your baby landshark! Post lots of pictures unless you want him to die from PES and remember: the jumping up and biting your arms is normal and it doesn't mean he's aggressive.
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I was trying to take etsy pictures today and Mo was helping. I MAY be biased but I think he turned into a pretty nice looking GSD  
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It's not biased if it's true  Looking at that picture makes me wonder if Mo's got some West German show line in him. He's got the deep red coat, bear face, stocky build, and (slightly) roached back that's common in those lines.This is my Schutzhund trainer and his West German IPO 3 dog, who's got a similar build to MoMo:  He's more bearfaced and stockier than Mo though Triangulum fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Apr 12, 2013 |
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Apr 12, 2013 19:50
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He looks lovely! Gotta love that robust muzzle and rich colouring.
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Apr 12, 2013 19:53
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Triangulum posted:It's not biased if it's true That is a good looking dog How old is he do you know? I assume Mo will fill out a bit although who knows. Maggie is pretty lanky!I would love to do shutzhund or agility or something with Moses, he's so athletic. We actually have an appointment next week with one of the K9 handlers on base who does obedience, I am secretly hoping he will let us take Mo through the course they use adventure in the sandbox posted:He looks lovely! Gotta love that robust muzzle and rich colouring. Thank you He's watching tv on the laptop in that picture the big doofus.
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I believe that dog is 8 or 9. He's mostly retired from IPO 'cause he's an old man Have you thought about looking for a Schutzhund club in your area? Any decent one should be willing to test out whether MoMo's suitable.
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Apr 12, 2013 23:48
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Sleepy Shelby
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Triangulum posted:Congrats on your baby landshark! Post lots of pictures unless you want him to die from PES and remember: the jumping up and biting your arms is normal and it doesn't mean he's aggressive. Today was day one of schutzhund. He started picking things up on obedience immediately, loved meeting new people, made friends with a 5-month old GSD, and got to take a shot at chasing a stuffed animal on a bungee cord.  I had to roll up the window because he was trying to climb out to go again. 
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It's fantastic that you're getting him started in Schutzhund so early. Were his parents Schutzhund dogs? Vecna is 9 months old today and weighs 83 lbs now. I know the "teenager" months are supposed to be a nightmare but holy poo poo he is so much more enjoyable and easy to deal with now.      I don't think I'll ever own another breed. E: Would there be any interest in some more effort posts? I'm thinking of doing some write ups on Schutzhund, the SV breed survey, and tending some time this week. Triangulum fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Apr 15, 2013 |
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Apr 15, 2013 17:46
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His dad has his Sch3, and there are a bunch of 2s and 3s in his pedigree. Mom is pretty much the only dog going back like 5 generations that isn't titled. I'm definitely interested in an effortpost.
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The sun finally came out after 8 months of winter!
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I love his white little beard, he looks like such a dignified man I found Vecna's female clone    I've seen so many DDR dogs who look like this that I'm starting to wonder if Vecna has some in him E: What do you guys think of this breeder http://www.gildafk9.com/index.html Triangulum fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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Duke's new Jolly Pet Push-N-Play 14 inch ball arrived today and he went crazy with it. He kept us laughing for a good 30 minutes before I grabbed the camera and captured a video. Got him the Jolly Pet 10 inch teaser ball last week and he carried it around all day but wasn't making all kinds of noise like with the new ball. I think it's because he can't pick this one up completely. Just hit the 6 month mark, around 22 inches tall, and around 70lbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBNl2OeIUpU
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Triangulum posted:E: What do you guys think of this breeder http://www.gildafk9.com/index.html This was actually one of the breeders I was looking in to!  I still really love their dogs, but they seem to have SUCH an emphasis on actual WORKING dogs for police and SAR that one, I don't know how much they would want to give a puppy to a family, and two, they might just plain be too intense for what I'm looking for. But I love their dogs, and I love their health testing.
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Haha why am I not surprised you were looking at them, we seem to like similar types of Shepherds I know some people on the Working Dog forums have gotten pups from them for sports so I know they do place pups with families but yeah intensity could definitely be an issue. I know you've mentioned this before but my memory is poo poo, but what are your plans for your future GSD? I know you wanted to use it as a demo dog, do you have sport plans for it as well?ShadowStalker posted:Duke's new Jolly Pet Push-N-Play 14 inch ball arrived today and he went crazy with it. He kept us laughing for a good 30 minutes before I grabbed the camera and captured a video. Let us know how that toy holds up if you don't mind. I was thinking of replacing Vecna's egg with that ball once it's finally broken. I love watching this dog work a sleeve but man he's a loving weird looking dog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps_ddqj9zuw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6laaB5n9MY
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I can't tell if he's fat, or just has a huge body with stick legs and a pin head. Aside from being a demo dog, I'd like to get involved with nosework and maybe competitive obedience. Temperament for our house is most crucial, though. Great with dogs, great with kids, and prey drive that can be managed since we have a cat. Not TOO worried about that, though, because we've done great teaching our husky to reign it in. At any rate, I know the drive they breed for with working K9s is really high, and I'd have more lunch with a breeder aiming for a more stable temperament.
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Any thoughts on this breeder? I like to daydream about future GSDs.  http://www.vanmeerhoutshepherds.com/index.html edit: that link was there all along 
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Triangulum posted:
It should hold up pretty good, but I'll let you know. It's just too large for any shepherd to really bite on. There's one little spot where there's a recessed plug that a dog could start chewing and eventually create a hole in the ball. This is his 3rd new Jolly Pet toy in 2 weeks. 1st was a Jolly 8 inch Romp and roll ball. The whole toy lasted about 2 days before the rope was torn up enough that we cut it off for fear of Duke eating some of it. The ball portion is still in good shape and he plays with it inside 2nd was a Jolly Pet 10inch teaser ball. Duke like to pick it up and carry it around. The holes give him a place to chew, but that could also lead to issues. Some of the reviews say that the edges can get sharp from chewing. He ignores the ball on the inside and just likes to run around with it. Last was the 14 inch push-n-play. I think this one will be the sturdiest and last the longest.
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Crooked Booty posted:Any thoughts on this breeder? I like to daydream about future GSDs. I think you forgot a link. 
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I had the dogs out with the Jolly Egg today. They pin it down and try to bite it, so I go over and knock it away with my foot so they can actually chase it for 2 seconds. Delta chomped on the top of my foot  She seemed surprised that the egg got kind of soft-ish. My foot really hurts, I hope she didn't crack anything. Protip: Don't put your foot near the toy of an excited dog that has been bred to bite things including people!
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Crooked Booty posted:Any thoughts on this breeder? I like to daydream about future GSDs. Oh hey one of the kennels I've been looking at. My only major beef with Van Meerhout is that they don't test for DM. But there are some impressive dogs in their pedigree, they extensively title their dogs, most of the dogs are KKL1s, and Rob and Jessy are ridiculously talented handlers. One thing to be aware of though: when they say "no deposit refunds", they mean it much more than other kennels do. If a pup with the temperament you want doesn't drop, your deposit will get pushed back to the next litter even if that means you have to wait 5 or 6 litters. Also Fratz vom Kleinen Schutz is literally the best name for a gsd ever  We found a nice little hiking area five minutes from the house  Happy puppy Triangulum fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Apr 25, 2013 |
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Triangulum posted:Oh hey one of the kennels I've been looking at.
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Triangulum posted:Oh hey one of the kennels I've been looking at. My only major beef with Van Meerhout is that they don't test for DM. But there are some impressive dogs in their pedigree, they extensively title their dogs, most of the dogs are KKL1s, and Rob and Jessy are ridiculously talented handlers. If this is really important to you by all means don't let me sway you, but I honestly don't feel like the DM genetic test is all that useful for breeders except maybe for record keeping purposes. I certainly wouldn't use it to make breeding decisions unless it was between two absolutely identical in every other way dogs and one was a carrier and one wasn't. And we all know that's not terribly realistic. The mutation has a high enough frequency in the breed that I think trying to breed it out might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater so to speak, and even more importantly even homozygotes are not necessarily going to develop DM, just have an increased risk. I see the test as far more useful for veterinarians in supporting a diagnosis of DM in a dog showing signs.
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Shelby was doing soooo well at class last night. Then at the end she just had to reign in our optimism by biting the instructor. She only got the pocket flap of the instructor's cargo pants, but still, drat dog.
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Too funny! I thought they looked familiar, Wildhaus used one of their studs for their current litter. http://wildhauskennels.com/litters.htm
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ShadowStalker posted:
I may have to get one, mine destroys most in a few days. Also, derp: 
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I've got some private Schutzhund lessons set up and the trainer sent me some cool videos of him working his dog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OkgosHzYj4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKs9a3gRaEI I think working with this guy will be a great experience, I'm super excited.
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I like what he's doing there. Really good motivational confidence building and some great techniques for building both drive and precision. I think you'll also have a great time.
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That is really awesome!! You'll have to report back, I'm SUPER interested in positive based SchH training.
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I definitely will, we should have our first session sometime this week. The GSDCA-WDA National Championship and the National Universal Sieger Championship happened this week and determined who'll represent the US at the WUSV World Championship this year. Danger von Juliet was named the Sieger, won the IPO trial, high HOT, and high Protection.   Pictures from the pratice:         Here's a highlight reel: http://vimeo.com/65151073 E: This PDF has a really cool article starting on page 8 about different GSD bloodlines and their variation in type and temperament. Also I am working on those longer posts, I promise. Triangulum fucked around with this message at 22:41 on May 1, 2013 |
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Sorry for the double post but I wanted to do an image dump from this morning's Schutzhund practice.              
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