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It's kind of funny how when Johnny gets caught with the fake money, D knows that by walking away he's effectively sanctioning the beatdown the hoppers are going to give him... yet D still gets poo poo for not out-and-out ordering it. The result would have been the same, except in this case it's perceived by the Barksdales (or at least String) as showing weakness.Mr Lance Murdock posted:This is a guy who is at the time running a tower, is related to Avon, seemingly climbing the ladder and yet he still takes the bus to work. It seems like there's a weird power imbalance between the ones who are slinging (D, Bodie, Poot, etc.) vs. the muscle (Bey, Bird, Savino) and the benefits they seem to get. The guy busting heads gets more "privilege" than the guy doing the work establishing drug dealing protocol. And within the group of dealers, the only guy I can think of that actually gets privileges is D and I'm willing to bet that the fact that he's family is a huge part of it. Maybe Bodie gets some too later on, I guess, or someone else I'm forgetting, but it's awfully lopsided. I also keep forgetting about that dumb flashback. It wouldn't even bother me as much if it wasn't for the terrible zoom effect.
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Today I got an email from Amazon recommending the boxset and seasons 1-5, individually  Kind of a weird coincidence.
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"gently caress 'right'. It ain't about 'right', it's about money. Now you think Ronald McDonald gon' go down that basement and say, 'hey Mister Nugget, you the bomb! We sellin' chicken faster than you can tear the bone out. So I'm gonna write my clowny-rear end name on this fat-rear end check for you.' Shiiiiet."
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There's a kid around the 19:00 mark of episode 3, when Lester's visiting the gym for a picture of Avon, who looks a hell of a lot like a younger Michael. I can't find any credits for him but it'd make sense for him to be hanging out around the boxing gym.
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Dec 26, 2012 23:38
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I got the boxset for Christmas and I've re-restarted watching with my parents. I think in episode 5 or 6 is when String, Avon and co. visit the Pit to pay Dee and Wallace for pointing out Brandon at Greek's. As they're walking into the Pit, it's probably one of the few times any non-diegetic music plays on the show. Found it kind of interesting. Season 1 seems to have the most of these elements that they eventually cut out in the later seasons, to my recollection.
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Dec 30, 2012 23:46
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Party Plane Jones posted:Did they fix the issues with the set or is it still as bad as the one I got? There wasn't holders for the discs so much as slots poorly held together with hot glue. They're still slip-in slots. They don't seem particularly flimsy, but I haven't played around with them much.
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Dec 31, 2012 18:13
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Christ, I forgot how much of a piece of poo poo Commissioner Warren Frazier makes himself look like after the busts. McNulty pretty much voices what everyone's thinking that whole episode.
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Jan 4, 2013 04:16
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It also kinda shows you the detectives' sense of humour. I liked reading Homicide for the insight on that.
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Jan 6, 2013 00:22
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cletepurcel posted:Even before Bodie's death, McNulty was poking around the Marlo investigation, asking Bunk and Lester questions, and they were goading him to join the hunt. Bunk (drunkenly) calls Jimmy bad for people in season 1, but he's still a huge enabler.
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Jan 7, 2013 23:46
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escape artist posted:The thing about Bunk is, he is a good man, even if he enables Jimmy's bad traits. He's a "company man", which is why he never once got in trouble with the brass. While he's good police and knows where to draw the line to keep out of trouble, I wouldn't necessarily call him 'good'. He is also assumed to drink and drive, and has cheated on his wife at least once that we know of, and further helps send Jimmy back into a downward spiral despite criticizing that particular trait of his in the past. Within the show's cast, he's probably one of the good ones, though.
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Jan 7, 2013 23:54
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escape artist posted:Haha, I forgot about that second part. That was funny, although it wasn't real racism, just McNulty being an idiot, assuming the small town cop was racist. Nicky says the same thing as Carver in season 2 when Ziggy's trying to convince him to pool together to buy from White Mike. Something about not getting popped like "a project friend of the family" or something over some dope. Another racism example. Is he the only white person to say it except for Rawls? I can't recall. Also this is totally unrelated but I remember first watching the show, someone had told me one of the major black characters was gay (Omar). I didn't know who it was so when Carver asks Kima when she knew she liked women (with this odd look on his face), I kept waiting/rooting for him to come out 
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Jan 9, 2013 01:21
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DarkCrawler posted:That's what's made me hate some of the less quality police serials where cops get shot right and left. You don't shoot cops unless you want hell to rain on you. Avon says as much in jail, too, when he's working out a parole agreement to rat out the guard with the hot shots. I'm doing this re-watch with my parents, who have gotten accustomed to lovely police procedurals in recent years. They absolutely love this show but it's taken them a while to get used to protagonists who don't get themselves into poo poo all the time. My mom was convinced Beadie would get locked in that can with the dead girls, and I don't blame her because that probably would've been what happened if this was CSI 
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Jan 15, 2013 19:37
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Just noticed Nick Sobotka has a Pi tattoo on the back of his neck. Any significance to it or is it just a tattoo the actor had? I was wondering why a stevedore would have that (beyond a simple answer like he thinks it looks cool) but maybe I'm over thinking it.
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Jan 17, 2013 19:42
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gently caress, that blows  dude was phenomenal.
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Jan 19, 2013 03:20
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escape artist posted:That's Season 3. He didn't start showing up in the copy shop until Season 3, I think. We never saw him in community college until Season 2 or 3 either. McNulty tails him to college once in season one, and I believe soon after in the same or next episode, String spouts some econ 101 to his copy shop lackeys. 
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Jan 21, 2013 17:38
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chesh posted:In interviews he will even say he had trouble narrowing the accent down, and it really slipped out when he A) Had a British director or B) Had scenes with Idris Elba. 300, Punisher, maybe Centurion and John Carter are the only movies I'd expect most people to have seen him in recently.
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SlimWhiskey posted:Just noticed that Rawls wears a wedding ring, at least in the first season. And he mentions having a kid. Huh. I really wish we learned more about his sexuality. I always figured it was just a minor detail that never got more attention because it doesn't change anything to the story except for adding some sad irony to some of his comments. That said, I've always wondered if underneath the macho hardass lies a nice, wonderful gay man in the same way that under the dismissive, statistics-obsessed Major lies a pretty effective street detective.
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Jan 25, 2013 22:48
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GreenCard78 posted:That, too ^^^ Sorry, I didn't really mean 'wonderful' as in flamboyant/cutesy or whatever. I guess not-an-rear end in a top hat/normal is what I meant. Overcompensation via acting like a huge rear end in a top hat tough guy. escape artist posted:Also, remember, he's probably the only white guy to toss around the word "friend of the family" I think Nick does more than once, though he usually says "project niggers."
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Jan 26, 2013 01:21
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DarkCrawler posted:Watching season 1, Herc ain't a total rear end in a top hat. His talk with Bodie's grandma is actually pretty touching. He apologizes for cursing at the door and stays there and listens to her, and shakes her hand afterwards. It's the only redeeming scene he has, but raised my opinion of him buy like 200%. Carver just goes out and doesn't apologize for poo poo. He also tries being nice to Beadie when he first meets her, for what it's worth. Carv laughs at him for it. Season 2 is seriously so good on a re-watch. Next episode is Frank meeting Ziggy downtown 
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Well yeah, I left out the part that it's to get in her pants. I always laughed my rear end off at that reply to Carv. Good way to tell him to gently caress off.
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Season 2's final two episodes are amazing. I absolutely love how well they show that the Greek is never in any position in which he appears to feel threatened--especially in his final scene at the airport where he says, "Business. Always business," with the nicest old man smile. To the Major Cases squad, it's a minor victory. To him, it's an equally (or even less) minor inconvenience. He's so cocky that, even with the possibility of being identified, he walks right in front of the police's nose twice just because he can. The scenes with Frank and his brother, and then Frank and Nick are also excellent.
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escape artist posted:I thought that Koutris got the tip to the Greek to get the gently caress outta dodge for a while, just in the nick of time. Koutris tips him off about Frank's cooperation literally seconds before they meet under the bridge. And yeah, the Greek's connections run so deep that even if Fitzhugh figures it out and fesses up to Daniels, he still doesn't say poo poo to his superiors... for fear of ending his career Montana. The boat/pawn shop unit of the FBI, I imagine. Not that it would matter if he told.
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escape artist posted:Or as Fitz himself said "an Indian res in Arkansas" Is that what he says? And yeah the thing is, to me, it's not clear if The Greek was an official informant or if it's mostly that he has his mole that he trades favours with. I don't actually know how that stuff works and we're not given insight into it but the ink pigment coke bust always seemed kinda sketchy to me. Would Koutris ever be in a situation where he'd have to disappear himself, or did he do that already after the end of season 2?
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Randomly Specific posted:I'm the one who gets on Frank for basically walking on the can of dead women. Yeah, he angsted about it for a bit, but ultimately he puts his conscience away and crawls back in with the Greek. The thing is that Frank does deserve to get knocked for how he ultimately got back in business with the Greek after the can of dead girls, but the alternative was walking on the Greek and losing what appeared to be his main money pipeline. Without that money, Frank couldn't get the time of day with anyone important (or even set up meetings with them through his lawyer) and would find it far harder to help out struggling union guys, or injuries like New Charles.
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That actually seems to be the point the show was making, too.
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escape artist posted:Well, remember Herc (and Carver) quits the MCU because they felt disrespected for being given such menial tasks. Exactly. Aside from when he gets to buy vials off the white boys in the port union case, he spends the rest of season 2 bitching to Carv about how they're horribly unappreciated and are constantly sent out to do gruntwork. Thing is, for Herc specifically, that's about all he's good for (at least, without someone fostering him) but he can't accept that. Lester does more or less hand out orders to the pair during that case and Herc resents it.
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Hah no way. I was watching a couple episodes just now. After I switched off my player, the TV was set to HBO, and who do I see? Burrell and Johnny Weeks in an episode of Banshee. I dunno if they're just small parts or what but I might start DVRing it.
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Fellis posted:I always thought of Slim Charles as one of those pawns that made it to the other side. Its not hard to imagine him as a corner boy and when we meet him he is an enforcer for the Barksdales. After that goes south he then manages to make his way into being Joe's right hand man. But when Marlo dismantles the co-op and tries to give him some territory: "...sorry man but I ain't no CEO" Slim also has zero illusions as to what he is and what he's good at. He never seems to get himself into a situation where he's totally hosed. He's basically a street mercenary with morals and a really awesome voice.
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escape artist posted:Also, let me point out a little Wire easter egg for you folks. Do they ever actually divorce for real during season 3? I know they're separated and I thought the papers Elena wanted him to sign were for alimony/the kids. That said, I'd buy that Jimmy kept the ring on just because.
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Man. Just watched the episode where Prez shoots that cop on accident. There's that closing scene where he's at the office, sitting there and looking at all their work and the equipment for the last time. Every time I see that scene, all I can hear is McNulty's, "I had such fuckin' hopes for us."
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Again, though, she didn't learn anything in the room that she wasn't already ruminating over. She went to see him to confirm what she thought happened. It's hard to say whether initially Jimmy had motive beyond "telling someone who cared about the kid," to paraphrase him, and String and Avon are probably right that he's trying to drive a wedge in there but that doesn't mean both options aren't possible at the same time.
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Randomly Specific posted:Hell for all he knew at the time he goes to Donette, Brianna might've been in on the whole thing. This is an interesting point. The more I think about it, the less I think he counted on Brianna raising a stink. The two people he could've gone to ended up having their priorities reversed. The girlfriend and mother of D's child was now sleeping with the man who murdered him (although not to her knowledge) and more importantly, got over him. That, combined with Stringer's controlling personality, meant she wouldn't really do anything with that information. The mother who had made D go to jail for a long time and shown no reason to give her the benefit of the doubt was actually not involved and wants to know. Jimmy didn't know about the Donette-String relationship, so that hosed his initial plan. But he also didn't count on Brianna not knowing it was a murder, so it worked out for him in the end. Much to his surprise, too. So yeah, a little bit from column A/B. I just don't think he figured Brianna would be the one to care when she'd shown no inclination to in the past from an outsider's perspective. Crumbletron fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Feb 16, 2013 |
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Jerusalem posted:I also think he is a far, far better policeman than McNulty (part of the reason he reacts so strongly to McNulty's "how many people can do what we do?" speech in a later season, in my opinion). Part of that may be because he's older and actually came up in a police culture that wasn't completely hosed YET, but I think mostly it's because Freamon is a remarkable person - an intelligent, hardworking man who not only doesn't mind doing his research/keeping up on legal/procedural matters but actually enjoys it. Lester always struck me as one of those dudes who learns a lot of poo poo about his job in his spare time because he wants to, and not because he has to. Just so happens that he had a hell of a lot of free time to do just that. I'm sure there's a bit of commentary on the instant gratification generation there as well re: the paperwork thing. Zwabu posted:I think a key point in the show is that Stringer and Avon both have a partially correct view of the world. Stringer understood that the straight business moguls could make far more money without all the trouble of violence than he ever could in the world of drugs and that violence was a huge waste of resources and got law enforcement involved, but Avon understood both that the smart people in the straight world see Stringer as a mark to be fleeced and would use their greater knowledge and experience in that world to take advantage of him, and that there is a law of the jungle rule inherent to the street drug game where you couldn't just shoehorn it into some straight world model of how to do things with corporate meetings and Robert's Rules of Order, violence aggression and domination were an intrinsic part of it and you had to use and master those things if you were going to be in the game at all or else get eaten up by the Marlo's. In my mind, Avon is the one I see as being correct in this argument, in terms of what's best for both of them. They're corner kings NOW. They could try to become business moguls but, having gotten used to a lifestyle of being at the top, Stringer wanted to skip some steps in the business environment that he'd felt he'd already made--in Clay Davis' terms, he wanted to crawl and then run right away. If Stringer had any sense, he'd stay king with Avon rather than try to get ahead in a new environment and skipping a few steps until he hosed up. String figured that he'd done the hustle once--why would he have to do it again? Any other world, it'd make sense.
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Oh man. Totally forgot about this line by Bernard in 03x12. "I can't wait to go to jail..."
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Rawls being frank about just what he was doing to Major Crimes when he calls up Lester had me half-respecting the guy for at least owning to what he did, but half-hating him for doing it in the first place. I've been doing this rewatch with my parents, and I want to thank... Person of Interest? for making my dad instantly say, "ugh, not this motherfucker," upon seeing Marimow for the first time. You have no idea, dad
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Starting season 4. The episode after the knife incident in Prezbo's classroom. One of the kids mentions how the girl that had the knife's either being bumped to or from a boarding house (can't remember which it is). Randy comments about how those places'll suck your soul out.
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I agree 100% on Dee. On the surface he appears less terrible than the others simply because he seems to feel emotions like guilt and remorse (things you don't really see from Avon/String/Wee-bey); that said, he rarely seems to consider the impact he has on others beyond, "is this bad thing I'm complicit with going to blow up in my face right now? yes/no, if no, well, it can't be that big of a deal." I was going to write about how those things don't necessarily make him a bad person but then again, he's been the cause of a few people's deaths (whether directly or indirectly), so... Definitely a great character. He's actually my buddy's favourite despite his short shelf life in the grand scheme.
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nwin posted:Couple questions about season 2 that I still can't wrap my head around, even though I'm on my fourth or fifth rewatch. 1) The can the FBI dude busts was a gift horse to get the FBI off them. Also, wasn't the agent present at those dinner scenes with Vondas/The Greek/the Madame? He knows them personally. 2) Prop Joe is aware that Avon is being uncooperative, no?
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BattleCake posted:That's fair, the very end of the series has some good endings but I meant more like the ending to each individual season usually felt mostly lovely. As well, while some of the individual characters got "happy endings", a lot of others ones (especially the ones from the street) had some less-than-optimal fates, in addition to the fact that the real main character of the show, Baltimore, doesn't really change for the better much. Yep. For each character the city lets go of its grips, it hooks onto another. For every Namond there's a Randy; every Bubs a Dukie. the black husserl posted:The endings of Wire seasons have made me believe that montage is the highest of all art forms. It takes a very carefully crafted one to get you to feel so many things at once and have each of those feelings have meaning beyond pulling at a few heartstrings.
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