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Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

DarkCrawler posted:

Holy crap, that's about 22 million per year. That's nuts. Honestly, none of the drug dealers in this show acts according to their net worth. Even with Avon's nice SUV's and strippers and bars I figured he makes like couple of million per year max. No wonder all those developers in season 3 are all on Stringer's tit.

They take a pretty big hit cleaning the money. You can't buy condos with trash bags full of tens. They have more than they can spend, even after a year or two in the game, per Marlo. But what is a kid who came up in the projects gonna buy? can't own much in your own name, that'll bring the feds down on you. Limited experience, limited contacts, limited advice, and indeed limited interest in the straight world 'away games'. So, you got your Navigator, you got your apartments, you got your girlfriends, you got your guns, what else could you spend money on?

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Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
So, when Carver is playing goodcop with Bodie when they picked him up for walking out of juvie, he says he came up hard, in the Flaghouse Towers. Did any of the peripheral material support this claim, or was it supposed to be obvious goodcop bullshit that Bodie was seeing right through?

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
My favorite subtlety is the Cameras. In season one, everything is timeshifted by most of 15 years on account of the original story being from the 80's. They explain the typewriters and beepers with dialogue/how hosed up is this department. But the cameras are also 70's nikons with the long glass shooting T-max. As the seasons roll on, the cameras get better, from manual advance film, to motordrive, to digitals with the big white canon tele lenses, but that rides along unmentioned. Obviously the people making the show are camera people and were putting that in for other camera people to notice.

Generally The Wire was way camera-ier than about anything else, with all the CCTV shots, and so on.
[edit]
Ok, there was a specific cameras subplot in S2. You don't gotta take it to the shop to get it turned around, or nothin?

Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jan 27, 2013

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

Spoilers Below posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDpvkwBBu6U

"You earned that buck like a motherfucker, man. Keep that poo poo."

Best opening to a season I've ever seen, hands down. In any other show, we'd start with Chris and Snoop killing someone, but when it's a pretty long sequence of a minor character buying a nail gun? The threat is in the air, even if you can't guess why she's buying it. You could replace "Chekov's Gun" with "Snoop's Nailgun"...

Just noticed she left the old 300$ Dewalt behind on the counter.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

Fellis posted:

She also tipped the salesperson $800, more than what the nailgun actually cost. I'm doing my rewatch with a friend who hasn't seen the wire before and I can't wait till we get to this scene.


No, she gave him 800$ for a 680$ nailgun. 120$ tip for him to take care of the actual purchase. Still, not a bad days work. earned dat bump.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

Randomly Specific posted:

Omar running her a 'tab' of sorts there was banking for the future. Think ahead to the part where Weebay and company are burning his van and he's watching from her squat with her kid in his lap.

The money only has a very limited value to him- he lives in vacants and stays permanently in the wind. He regularly rebuilds his cash flow with stash robberies, and playing a bit of Robin Hood supplies him with a network of eyes and ears as well as other potential favors down the road.

The child dealer may or may not be out of character (I'd think Omar would see that as simply giving a hopper a chance to earn a buck) but him being generous with the drugs he steals is entirely in character IMO.

I seemed to me like Omar's relationship with Brandon to be pretty chicken-hawk exploitive. Brandon is just barely (if) an adult. Way less creepy when he was making time with 'Naldo and Dante, who are more clearly partners in the business, and legal to drink.

I also liked Omar better when he was creepy. Before he got the whole street samurai urban legend writers pet fan favorite thing going on.

Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Feb 13, 2013

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

SlimWhiskey posted:

I've got a question about Season 3. In order to sell the wiretapped burners to Bernard, Lester pretends to be a conman. In order to prove it, he has Bernard dial a number and Lester memorizes it while pretending to talk on a phone. Exactly what sort of con is that? Ican't figure out how you could make money just from knowing the number someone dialed.

International travellers frequently have/had calling codes and numbers. So if you get the card number and access code, you can bill your long distance calls to somebody else.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

comes along bort posted:

David Simon has a minor rant about this in this season's commentary. They picked that shot because it's basically America in a nutshell- industry is something long since put in the past. Of course, that's not really true, it's more we've added to the global labor surplus- the extraneous people spit out by capital.


Also, and this is really out of left field, but the old lady on the stoop in Hamsterdam they forgot was there reminds me of how Colonial Williamsburg was built. Basically John Rockefeller Jr. and a lawyer bought up a whole bunch of downtown properties on the sly for a couple years, displacing businesses and homes, then they were finally caught and were confronted by an understandably angry town of Williamsburg who were like "hey you just destroyed our town to build a theme park." And like Hamsterdam they got all the properties except one, and to this day there's a single private home surrounded by all the actors, horse poo poo, and tourists.

Huh, interesting. My folks are in Edenton, NC, and the story they get told is that Rockefeller wanted to buy the town lock stock and barrel, as it is colonial as can be, but the city fathers told him to pound sand, so he had to build fresh up in Williamsburg. Wonder if the two stories mesh, or if it is a common urban legend in small colonial era towns that times have passed by.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

cletepurcel posted:


I also notice that Odell Watkins, who is held up by the show as a rare example of a good, non-self serving politician, seems as disgusted at Hamsterdam as anyone - he basically uses it as more evidence of Burrell's incompetence. I'm not sure what to make of that, because Odell is usually used to highlight how worthless the Mayor's Office is.


This is probably a generational thing. "It makes me sick, motherfucker, to see how far we done fell" sort of stuff.

I like that there are principled positions taken that are not white liberal college egghead approved positions. So, while legalization plays well to me, and probably to you, to show that it doesn't play well to people who we see as smart and committed to the community, I think is a nice layer of complexity and acknowledgement of reality in a bit of a fantasy scenario.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

escape artist posted:

One thing I gotta wonder... if Bodie was going to flip, why didn't McNulty deliver him to Major Crimes right then and there. Why wasn't he put under some sort of protective custody? They made the same mistakes with Wallace and Frank Sobotka. You'd think they'd learn.

Institutions don't learn, and individual tragedies don't matter, only stats and headlines. Bodie isn't a headline. That is kind of the point. Also, there is no money for it.

Further still, even if there were a protective custody arrangement, would Bodie go for it? Would McNulty manage not to be a dickhole about asking/filling out the paperwork? Dem little bald bitches on the chessboard can only go one way.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

Ainsley McTree posted:

I didn't say they did, I was just wondering how widespread a phenomenon it was.

Perfectly typical, like more often than not. It is how the FBI operates, it is a special kind of illegal to make a false statement to the FBI, and it is illegal to record their interview, so it is their word, backed up by what they wrote down. If what they wrote down is different than your recollection 6-8 months 2-3 years down the road? Well, looks like you just lied to the feds, 10 years away from your wife and kids...unless we can come to an arrangement. And, of course, once you do this little thing, then they own you, and will work you till you get caught and killed, not like they are going to let go of that little handle on you.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

Skeesix posted:

I think if David Simon felt this way about the head shot, then he should have portrayed its use as something less than an unambiguous good that Bond was too cocky to use.

They had Rhonda explain that it was bullshit. Nothing different than any kid out of college does for his first starter home. I thought it was a pretty well done explanation of how a sufficiently motivated investigation can find something you did illegal. Same with Herc and Burell, you'd have to be a saint to not have hosed up something in this XXX,000 pages of rules and regs, and ain't nobody in politics or narcotics is a saint.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
drat shame what they did to that dog...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Txm9dQuhM

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
My favorite joke is early in S1, when Kima has spent the last several episodes being the only competent adult in the room, and the cops are laying into Bodie. She goes sprinting toward the scene of the brutality, and you, accustomed television drama watcher think "Aha, good cop is going to tell those no-good knuckleheads what policing is about". But nope. She is sprinting over there to put her own mark on Bodie with a nightstick.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
And when Chris is low over something or another, Snoop suggests buying a bunch of toys for his kids.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

comes along bort posted:

IIRC it's the episode where Stringer and Bodie meet down by the Inner Harbor, or maybe when he meets with Omar, but on the commentary David Simon goes off on the concept of the Museum of Industry.


e: The funny thing is American industry hasn't died at all. Our actual output's only increased, but it's more automated and less-labor intensive, same as farming. The same death in the Rust Belt's been going on in rural areas on a slower scale for just as long, if not longer.

One of the interesting things about that is that Ohio still has a ton of small-mill stuff. It never really got boomy-huge and rich like Pittsburgh with steel, or Detroit with automotive, with tens of thousands of people megafactories, but lots of towns had, and probably still has a half dozen 100-500 person shops doing something weird and nichy, like telescoping poles, or combustion-control instrumentation, or exotic metals fabrication. It is a much slower fall, from a much lower height.

Still, don't recommend being from, or going to Ohio, but the work available appears to not be declining a ton faster than the population, and there are places to absorb some of the hit when the GM plant shuts down, and a 400 person shop isn't going to have a golden-parachuted management team "finding efficiencies" relocating to Indonesia, and probably aren't going to get enough tax abatement to move to North Carolina or Texas.

[edit]
Woops. I was reading this like a D&D post. Not terribly wire-relevant.

Also, don't make a drama about life in an Ohio industrial town.

Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Mar 11, 2015

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

MrSlam posted:

If Marlo's crew is so cold and militaristic I wonder what you could use to describe Avon and Stringer's crew when they were climbing the ranks.

They address that to a degree, there is a lot of back in the day bullshit about Family and Respect and Knowing your People, (but it ain't back in the day). And Kima also expounds on how it was bullshit back in the day also, and that they rationalize how whatever dirt they do ain't on them.

So, Marlo does dirt and doesn't care because he wears the crown. Avon did dirt but it ain't on him because reasons. Presumably same for Little Melvin and all the way back to Shorty Boyd.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

Krazyface posted:

It's weird how little time the show spends in the towers, given how important they are

The towers had been long demolished by the time it was filmed, and...wouldn't have been a good place to film either.

Also, they aren't important. That is part of the point. Thousands of living souls nobody gives a poo poo about.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
Suspect much like you cannot make an anti-war film, you also cannot make an anti-cop film. All the horror cops inflict just serves to make them 'interesting' 'rounded' 'complex' and 'compelling'. And who gives a gently caress about the people hosed with, certainly not our overarching plot.

Even though All Cops Are Bastards In The Wire Also, they are still the heroes and protagonists, and all their bullshit is justifiable for the purposes of the plot. Herc's lovely policing and abuse is played for laughs, as is Presbos. Either they are bastards but it is funny because they are bad at it, or they are bastards but it is ok because they have a Mission.

So, yeah, that poo poo is copaganda for sure.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

Bird in a Blender posted:

I had a hard time retaining interest in The Deuce. It was a good show, but none of the characters grabbed me.

I found the pimps and hoes and pornographers interesting, but the everyman bartender all but looking at the camera and saying "what the gently caress did I do?" every episode was boring.

Did like all the wire callbacks. Leon calling to tell the cops that he shot somebody, and come pick them up, was a story Slim Charles told about Cutty from the Wire.

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Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

teen phone cutie posted:

wait all i can find on google is a guy named nathan barksdale who never appeared on screen? is there something i'm missing?

The Deacon was Little Melvin, a drug figure in the 80's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Williams_(actor)

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