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I'm a Jewish Freemason and I don't have a single banker in my family. We're not even that good with money.
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During last week's EA degree, the candidate was told that ancient masons wore their aprons a certain way to keep from "soiling themselves". That's a minor word difference that changes the whole meaning.
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Apr 30, 2013 11:26
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There's nothing you can do. We're too deeply embedded in the workings of governments and society. We have our fingers in everything. It's too late. It's... too late.
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May 15, 2013 16:22
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Crankit posted:It says that there's racial segregation, women and people born slaves aren't allowed to join, looking at wikipedia it says disabled people aren't allowed to join either. I don't know how any organization can still have these views and have people join up. Why hasn't their charter been updated? You should read the thread. The answers are here.
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May 15, 2013 17:12
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New ring! It's period correct for the 18th century!
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Jun 10, 2013 18:13
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http://www.craftsmansapron.com/products/rings Makes awesome custom aprons, too.
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Jun 11, 2013 16:52
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I have no idea what you're talking about, but Googling comes up with some rather old articles. It looks the Shrine and Arkansas have been at odds on-and-off for some time.
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Jul 1, 2013 23:39
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I'm not a Shriner, but I'm not sure I'm bothered by that at all. They used to require members to have "completed" Scottish or York Rite, and then they got rid of that. I don't really see any reason for them to be Masons (not that I see a reason for them NOT to be Masons), other than a huge chunk of the $2m a day US Mason spend on charity is at their hospitals, so it makes our numbers look nice.
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Jul 1, 2013 23:49
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KweezNArt posted:just be joining up for the booze and the funny cars will somehow dilute the Shrine as an institution by untethering it from its basic Masonic underpinnings. The "Masonic underpinnings" are really just "We can't drink at the Lodge, let's form a group to get drunk with friends from the Lodge!" I mean that really -is- their history, and that's fine, but let's not pretend it's something else. People already join it for the booze (and maybe less-so the funny cars), it's just that right now those people happen to be Brothers.
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Jul 2, 2013 00:19
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WAFFLEHOUND posted:I wish, oh how I wish, that there could be a blast out to all lodges pointing out that the whole "THE ANCIENT CHARTERS THING REQUIRE THE IMMUTABILITY OF THE SOUL" thing was invented by a guy who died in the 1960s. Write it up, I'll send it out.
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Jul 10, 2013 13:56
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I joined cold, too. As an amateur historian of 18th Century America  I wanted a stronger connection with the era.
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Jul 14, 2013 11:21
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Purple Prince posted:I'm curious about this. The one thing stopping me from going out and enquiring at a Lodge is the rule about not breaking the law. I feel that unjust laws are meaningless and can, in some cases should, be disobeyed. For example, here in the UK we have laws that disallow certain types of protest without authorisation from the local authority. This gives councils a great deal of power to silence certain political groups in the name of public safety. In particularly egregious examples, far-right nationalists have been allowed to march but antifascist groups have been prevented from forming counter-protests. If a Mason were part of an unlawful protest, would this lead to disciplinary action from their Lodge? You're in the UK so I don't know how well this will go over, but in the US my argument has always been that many of the Founders (e.g., almost all of the Sons of Liberty, 9 signers of the Declaration of Independence, 12 of the signers of the US Constitution, &c.) were Masons, and they were definitely breaking laws.
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Aug 6, 2013 13:41
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Solvent posted:Nobody's perfect. I personally love to jaywalk, and rarely wear a seatbelt when driving. These are laws. Only one of those is a law in my state.  But basically, yes.
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Aug 6, 2013 18:00
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Treason against The Crown was certainly felonious in 1776.
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Aug 6, 2013 19:08
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ex posted:So here's my question: Is it okay to bring up the fact that I was initiated a while back? Absolutely.
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Aug 7, 2013 17:07
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Also the NEXT candidate will appreciate that you've worn underwear.
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Oct 3, 2013 12:26
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We have a TO Lodge here in New Hampshire. I haven't been yet, but I've moved much closer to it, so I plan to rectify that.
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Oct 24, 2013 18:53
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No no serious posted:Brothers: I've been a Mason for 10 years, and I'm embarrassed to say I never read a single Masonic book (well, I think I attempted Morals & Dogma once but gave up after a few pages). I don't even know where to start. Freemasons for Dummies.
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Oct 29, 2013 14:37
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Read the thread, got interested, then remembered my last Pope really hated you guys and my current Pope hasn't had enough time to say anything about it. So I'll be sitting on the sidelines. I know hundreds of Catholic Freemasons.
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Dec 15, 2013 14:20
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PrinceRandom posted:Why is Masonry such an un-Catholic activity? Is it because it came about primarily in Protestant places? Largely because they allow all faiths.
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Dec 15, 2013 23:14
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It's prohibition-era thinking. I mean our whole nation was founded from alcohol.
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Dec 16, 2013 14:44
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Jeek posted:Thanks for the answers. It is interesting how much variation there are as well - I thought you would have some sort of central leadership that has the final word on important matters like these. The members themselves are the final authority.
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Jan 20, 2014 03:24
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QPZIL posted:Personally, I have a much less tenuous definition of "God" than most would. But, the one question you're asked before being initiated, is if you believe in a higher power that rewards good and punishes evil. I was not asked that. It's one of those things that varies by jurisdiction. Something to keep in mind is that the Catholic Church has deemed being a Freemason a sin (or something? I'm not Catholic I don't know how it works), and you can't take communion if you're a Freemason. Of course no one in the United States gives a rat's rear end, because like everything else we do, we cling to our American Exceptionalism. But if you're a devout Catholic, that's something you should think about. E: Also, if you don't care, but like both, do both!
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Feb 18, 2014 00:41
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Obviously not, he owes them a large pile of money.
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Feb 22, 2014 15:01
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It actually kind of does.
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Apr 2, 2014 22:58
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http://braden168.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/why-you-shouldnt-become-a-freemason/ This should be in the OP.
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Apr 18, 2014 16:40
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7thBatallion posted:Are we still talking about that wargaming appendant body? We really do need one. I mean there are reenactor ones (would you like to see my beaver?) so why not?
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May 22, 2014 23:53
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I'm not sure the ritual would work if one were Deaf, but there are plenty of Masons in the world, I'm sure some of them know sign language (I used to be pretty fluent). Actually, even being blind, there are things that need to be observed in the ritual. I guess we hate women AND the handicapped. 
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Aug 9, 2014 11:39
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Blacks can absolutely join any lodge, at least per the rules.
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Aug 25, 2014 22:59
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PrinceRandom posted:What's the history of Jews like with Freemasonry? It seemed to be a primarily a Protestant thing at the beginning. Hi. I'm a Jewish Freemason. The degree work uses the building of Solomon's Temple, so it's all good.
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Aug 25, 2014 23:16
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COOL CORN posted:Are you in any of the appendant bodies? There are certain degrees in the York and Scottish Rites that I think would be difficult for a Jewish Mason to go through in good conscience. Well, the York Rite degrees obviously, but I'm just curious if you've been through the YR or SR degrees. I'm in Scottish Rite, it was fine. I'm not in York Rite for the reasons you're probably aware of.
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Aug 26, 2014 12:03
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Yeah that's so un-Masonic, it's like the perfect example to use as "this is the opposite of a Mason."
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Aug 26, 2014 15:06
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Sithsaber posted:The justifications and rationale are different (I'm okay with the male priesthood). That being said, I'd tolerate not letting in women if transmen stayed out too. Others and myself have explained why. Hmm, quite, quite. 
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Aug 29, 2014 14:40
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Debate about Freemasonry does belong in this thread, but I haven't seen much of it in the last few pages. A debate requires some knowledge of the topic from both sides. That said.... Sithsaber posted:I'll probably make a new email tomorrow although I don't get why a debate about freemasonry shouldn't go in the freemasonry thread. Board culture here is kind of inclined toward echo chambers. Fascinating, quite so.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:41
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Brilliant! And it saved me from having to explain "ad hominem."
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Aug 30, 2014 00:10
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New Hampshire is fairly lax most of the time, and we generally have a dress-down lodge night just before the summer break. Me, personally, I prefer things more traditional, to the point that the TO lodge we have isn't traditional enough (it harkens back to the late 19th C. and the railroad days, hardly what I'd consider "traditional").
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Sep 7, 2014 02:10
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Emron posted:Hmmm yes, but have you thought about what this says w/r/t reinforcing the presence of the Jungian duality in the ritual??? Now look what you did!
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Sep 7, 2014 15:54
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Freemasonry was created in 1717. There were some precursors to that, obviously, since that date is when the Grand Lodge formed, and they merged a bunch of other smaller clubs, but it's the date of modern freemasonry. Anything else you hear about the history of the Lodge is essentially bullshit. We did not actually build any pyramids or temples or anything else, and we had nothing to do with the Templars.
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Nov 3, 2014 19:34
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Noctis Horrendae posted:You're telling me that the Freemasons weren't controlling the world since the dawn of time? What? It's more or less what we ourselves claim, but it's probably almost entirely untrue.
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Neither, although some of the Mason-run charities are probably non-profits.
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