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Xandu posted:I just finished the second book and I have no idea which scene you're talking about. When was his real name revealed? It wasn't, but he tells it to Jean at the end of the first book.
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My memory may be faulty but I believe the name was specified as three syllables. I kind of hope it was a double-fake-out and the name Locke told Jean was ALSO not his real name, in case Jean got magic'd into giving away Locke's name, he'd give the wrong one.
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It was at the end of the first book. Jean says something along the lines of "After all we've been through, tell me one thing. What's your real name?". Then Locke leans over and whispers it in his ear, and Jean says "Huh. Well, I wouldn't tell people if that were my name either!". I think that's the only time it's even close to revealed.
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Jan 27, 2013 05:57
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I think it also says that Jean 'gasps in surprise' (or shock) when Locke tells him, which makes me think Jean recognizes the name in some way. If it was just a so-bad-it's-funny name, why the surprise? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I just don't believe Locke is a normal catchfire orphan.
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Maud Moonshine posted:I think it also says that Jean 'gasps in surprise' (or shock) when Locke tells him, which makes me think Jean recognizes the name in some way. If it was just a so-bad-it's-funny name, why the surprise? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I just don't believe Locke is a normal catchfire orphan. I think its described asa five-syllable name, and is likely just surprising to Jean in its ridiculousness. I'd double-check but my copy is packed up from moving.
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My memory may be faulty but isn't Locke Implied to be a member of the same family as the gray king, His younger brother or something, You know the one that was murdered due to protesting the agreement between the thieves and the nobility
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To both the above posts, I don't believe we are given any information whatsoever beyond the fact that Jean is surprised to hear it.
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Benson Cunningham posted:To both the above posts, I don't believe we are given any information whatsoever beyond the fact that Jean is surprised to hear it. Okay, you made me go dig the book out. The last page of the novel: "If you don't mind my asking...what is your real name?" "Oh, gods," Locke smiled weakly. "Can't I have any secrets?" [...] Jean stumbled over to the pile of crates on which Locke was lying, and bent down to put his ear near Locke's mouth. Locke whispered five syllables, and Jean's eyes widened. "You know," he said, "I'd have done with Lock in preference to that, myself." "Tell me about it."
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Dienes posted:Okay, you made me go dig the book out. The last page of the novel: That's first and last name I assume, not just first name. But touche.
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It still doesn't tell us much. We can make all kinds of wild theories and guesses, but he could either be a hidden prince or just another Catchfire Orphan given what we've been told. EDIT: Which makes me wonder if the 'five syllable' comment is a form of Chekhov's Gun? syphon fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jan 28, 2013 |
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Jan 28, 2013 21:51
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It's pretty dumb reasoning to assume that hes a secret super royalty mage bastard whatever and he's been using an alias since he was like 3 years old based off of complete guesswork when they just tell you his real name in the first half of the first chapter. There's no dangling plot thread, beyond just a funny coincidence that led to him being particularly hard for the Bad Guys to Deal With.Lies of Locke Lamora, Page 20: posted:What’s your name, boy?” “Lamora.” “Your parents must have been misers, to give you nothing but a surname. What else did they call you?” The boy seemed to think very deeply about this. “I’m called Locke,” he finally said. “After my father.” “Very good. Rolls right off the tongue, it does. Well, Locke-after-your-father Lamora, you come here and have a word with me. Lies of Locke Lamora, page 951 posted:
It's a recurring theme that in any kind of physical altercation he gets by on sheer dumb luck. Normal Adult Human fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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I'm so pleased that this thread exists! I'm surprised it hasn't come up sooner. The series has much potential. I can't believe it's been so long since Red Sea Under Red Skies came out. I know that I cursed long and loud every time I went into my local bookshop and didn't see "The Republic of Thieves" on the shelves. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that there was a bout of depression involved. If that's true, I take back exactly 50% of the horrible things I muttered under my breath while skulking through the fantasy fiction section of Dymocks. For those who just can't stand another second without Locke in their lives, I present the following link to the prologue for The Republic of Thieves: http://www.scottlynch.us/excerpts.html I of course, don't recommend reading it unless you've completed Lies of Locke Lamora, and Red Seas under Red Skies for spoiler reasons.
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I wish I could get Scott Lynch to write campaign settings for tabletop rpgs. His narrative is at its best when he is discussing architecture, religion, or how his various syndicates function. I don't mean to put down his dialog, I just enjoy how he evokes a picture of his world more. And again, while I don't mean to put down his dialog, there are times where it gets a little too close to a pop culture nerd tone for my liking. This is an increasingly evident problem for my buddy Patrick Rothfuss, and I noticed it strongly in Lynch's Queen of the Red Sands story. And speaking of his religions, they are perhaps the only interesting ones I've seen in a fantasy novel in a long time. That Locke is actually a priest of the Crooked Warden is really cool, and how it's evident that from his time with father chains that it means something to him is an equally compelling character trait.
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Normal Adult Human posted:It's pretty dumb reasoning to assume that hes a secret super royalty mage bastard whatever and he's been using an alias since he was like 3 years old based off of complete guesswork when they just tell you his real name in the first half of the first chapter. There's no dangling plot thread, beyond just a funny coincidence that led to him being particularly hard for the Bad Guys to Deal With. I'm not personally convinced by this theory, for which there isn't really any more evidence than any other theory. Just because the syllables match isn't really proof. Even if his mother called him 'after your father' (which is a weird thing for even a disinterested mother to call her son), he'd still have a surname - either his mother's or his father's. And he explicitly said somewhere that his surname isn't Lamora. So what is it? Also, if he lied about his surname when he was three, why not the rest of his name? I'm not saying he's royalty or a mage (I don't know where the grey king theory came from). I just think it is a plot thread that's been left at least ambiguous and I'd be curious to find out more.
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darth cookie posted:For those who just can't stand another second without Locke in their lives, I present the following link to the prologue for The Republic of Thieves:
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darth cookie posted:I know that I cursed long and loud every time I went into my local bookshop and didn't see "The Republic of Thieves" on the shelves. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that there was a bout of depression involved. If that's true, I take back exactly 50% of the horrible things I muttered under my breath while skulking through the fantasy fiction section of Dymocks. The impression that I got from poking around online was that he ended up having to deal with some pretty bad depression, some very crippling social anxiety, and also his wife left him. I think his life is pretty back together now, but I looked through his blog entries and sometimes he's talking about going to conventions and having a good time and sometimes he's talking about "Today was not a good day, but I managed to make myself go outside. That's something, at least." I definitely want the third book to come out sooner rather than later, but depression and anxiety like that can really screw a dude up and I'm willing to give him as much slack as he feels like he needs. Fortunately, it seems like his publishers feel the same way and they're not pressuring him to turn in a manuscript when he can barely face the idea of human interaction. Benson Cunningham posted:I wish I could get Scott Lynch to write campaign settings for tabletop rpgs. His narrative is at its best when he is discussing architecture, religion, or how his various syndicates function. I don't mean to put down his dialog, I just enjoy how he evokes a picture of his world more. And again, while I don't mean to put down his dialog, there are times where it gets a little too close to a pop culture nerd tone for my liking. This is an increasingly evident problem for my buddy Patrick Rothfuss, and I noticed it strongly in Lynch's Queen of the Red Sands story. One of the things I like best about his books is the feeling that this world he's built has a lot of history behind it. He's not just dropping you into this setting and saying "oh, here's some stuff that's happened in the past thousand years and it's led to the story you're reading right now", but it really feels like this world has a bunch of stories that span years and years and years and we just happen to be reading one section of them.
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Maud Moonshine posted:I'm not personally convinced by this theory, for which there isn't really any more evidence than any other theory. Just because the syllables match isn't really proof. Even if his mother called him 'after your father' (which is a weird thing for even a disinterested mother to call her son), he'd still have a surname - either his mother's or his father's. And he explicitly said somewhere that his surname isn't Lamora. So what is it? Also, if he lied about his surname when he was three, why not the rest of his name?
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It's official. Republic of Thieves coming in October.
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Luigi Mario KOG posted:It's official. Republic of Thieves coming in October. Oh excellent! Now I need to decide if I want to get it on Kindle or if I should buy hard copies of the first two books so I can start a collection. I didn't anticipate enjoying this series nearly as much as I have, but I wouldn't mind owning paper versions of this stuff.
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I knew today was going to be a good one when I woke up, just haven't been able to put my finger on why. This is awesome news!
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Oh Hell YES. Today is a good day.
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Yahoo! Finally! The prologue teaser just wasn't enough.
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With this and the confirmation that there will be at least two more seasons of BBC's Sherlock my housemate and I are very happy bunnies indeed.
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Maud Moonshine posted:With this and the confirmation that there will be at least two more seasons of BBC's Sherlock my housemate and I are very happy bunnies indeed. Wow my day just keeps getting better and better. Thanks for this piece of news too.
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Maud Moonshine posted:With this and the confirmation that there will be at least two more seasons of BBC's Sherlock my housemate and I are very happy bunnies indeed. Yeah gently caress Locke Lamora this is the best news.
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Every time I load this thread and there are three unread responses my day just gets better and better.
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Oh gently caress yeah.
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The prologue is really good. After the second one I wasn't very optimistic (its a good book, just not what I was looking forwards to), but the prologue nails the right feel and is a great way to set up the third.
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Luigi Mario KOG posted:It's official. Republic of Thieves coming in October.
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Well, he turned in the final manuscript apparently, so I'm not sure what else is going to be able to delay it short of the publisher's presses being destroyed. There's nothing left to write, and I'm assuming since the final manuscript is completed, the editorial process should be finished as well. That being said, I'll believe it when I get my shipment notice from Amazon.
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Mr.48 posted:At this point its like ADWD for me, I'll believe it when I have the book in my hands....and read at least 3/4 of it. Thats not to say that Lynch's reasons for delays aren't 100 times more legitimate than George Pizza Football Martin's, but after so many passed publication dates its a bit hard to believe that this is it. Well, at least this time it's an official publication date instead of Amazon just making wild guesses. Outside of some sort of crazy accident it seems pretty set in stone at this point.
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Mr.48 posted:At this point its like ADWD for me, I'll believe it when I have the book in my hands....and read at least 3/4 of it. Thats not to say that Lynch's reasons for delays aren't 100 times more legitimate than George Pizza Football Martin's, but after so many passed publication dates its a bit hard to believe that this is it. The only reason I'm believing it is because it's been posted on the Gollantz website. They seemed to understand that a) Scott Lynch needs to take however much time he needs to take in order to get himself worked out before he can work on writing a book again and b) The only thing people hate more than not having a release date is having a release date that constantly slides back when you get close. So the fact that they're willing to step up and say "October 8th, that's the date" seems like a pretty solid indication that they can actually have the book in people's hands by that day.
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http://scott-lynch.livejournal.com/275749.html A blog post in which Scott Lynch discusses how this publishing date is real; drops some hints about the plot; and says that he is working on a few novellas and also the next book, The Thorn of Emberlain. Hopefully all of that stuff that get done before the next meltdown. withak fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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Excited for the next book kinda disappointed he's sticking with the flashback structure. Hopefully both of the stories will be interesting this time. Finally Sabetha appears
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