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I got an instant wave clear as two enemy corvettes (I think) jumped in right on top of each other, collided, and exploded. Probably not intended behaviour  Bug report: In the wave clear mode when I'm locked on to an enemy ship, the target lock chime and symbol will still come up if there's an asteroid between me and him. This seems to happen with the AI ships too; I've noticed my frigate shooting at an asteroid trying to hit something on the other side. I haven't seen this happening with the frigate's beam gun, but that's probably just down to range.
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I was just about to clear wave 25 when I ate two railgun shots to the face just seconds after my other fighter got killed. I had only one more unshielded carrier to kill too That's what you get for a moment of carelessness. Today's lineup of enemies was very good, nothing too difficult or bullshit to take out. The wave with the shielded carriers was a bit dicey but was able to get past it. Edit: So whatever seed was used today, keep it. It's a good one.
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Nice -- I am balancing the railguns a little bit better as I type this. I lowered the projectile muzzle velocity, the turret turn speed, and the max angles. Approaching the turret from above or below its firing angle should be easier. I'll probably take a stab at the destroyer weapons while I have the files open. Unity 5.4 is considerably faster and should fix a bunch of the black screen soft crashes people were getting, and everything seems like it still works. Collisions on exiting warp should be looked at as a gift from RNJesus. There are fixes I can do for many of these random events, but they all involve expensive calls like raycasts which I'm trying to avoid as much as I possibly can. The ships do some initial checks when exiting warp, but it can get a little nutty when multiple ships are jumping in on top of each other and some of them start moving a second or two before another enters the space. This upcoming update will probably be the last major one before the planned 1.0 release next month. Huzzah.
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Kairo posted:This upcoming update will probably be the last major one before the planned 1.0 release next month. Huzzah.
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Kairo posted:This upcoming update will probably be the last major one before the planned 1.0 release next month. Huzzah. Congratulations! (flagship hunt pleeeease)
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Bhodi posted:Are tweaking the VR bits on the list? Having a black screen or freezeframe rather than dropping out to the default steamvr background during scene changes or long pauses like death or switching ships is really distracting. You can probably look at sales to see what percentage of people are launching through steamvr, I'm kind of curious since it plays so well with it. Yeah, these cases are slowly getting cleaned up, especially when launching the mission and switching ships. There are special blackout calls in SteamVR I recently discovered. General Battuta posted:Congratulations! (flagship hunt pleeeease) Thanks, man. I'm definitely planning on making the flagships more interesting for this update.
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Kairo posted:Yeah, these cases are slowly getting cleaned up, especially when launching the mission and switching ships. There are special blackout calls in SteamVR I recently discovered. Sweet! I nabbed this a while back, but have been holding off playing it until I got a VR headset (I've a heaving backlog in any case). And that time is now! (Or at least will be when I learn how to adjust the straps, lens-depth, and IPD properly  )
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While long-rifle builds are definitely better for doing better in wave clears, the auto-cannon is still more fun. Live for the kill!!! 
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 Today's was a little too easy Kairo, I only died because after 90mins of it I'd had enough for one session and started playing recklessly. You seem to have a stack overflow problem with the timer display. If it goes over 60 then it starts again.
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Oof! I got smashed by that wave full of flak drone shield heavy fighters and called it an evening, but my destroyers got wiped by the carrier wave prior and all I had left was the artillery frigate. It was nice seeing myself at the top of the leaderboard though, that doesnt happen too often these days.
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Night Shade posted:Oof! I got smashed by that wave full of flak drone shield heavy fighters and called it an evening, but my destroyers got wiped by the carrier wave prior and all I had left was the artillery frigate. Against those kinds of waves, you better have brought the long rifle and thus are able to pick the flak drones off at range. If not, gg.
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Xerxes17 posted:Against those kinds of waves, you better have brought the long rifle and thus are able to pick the flak drones off at range. If not, gg. Yeah I had the long rifle, but not the range.
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Holy poo poo, this game in VR is loving CRAZY  By far the coolest thing I've seen yet with the Vive (also the the coolest thing to *play*, thus far). Everything about it is so well thought out. Text and UI is clean and readable[1], the overall aesthetic of the game means everything registers clearly, and pops nicely. Flying around is amazing, the cockpit is great, and... well, it all just looks loving awesome and totally immersive as poo poo hits the fan. Even the main menu is entertaining! Sitting inside a diorama of little ships flying around you.  [1] Versus what I've seen of Elite Dangerous, where things are a bit of a ball-ache to discern at times.
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The Carrier railgun changes are good. Incidents of frustrating deaths have gone down accordingly and it's now much more possible to (make final) approach outside of the rotation limits than it was before. I really don't understand why you nerfed imperial destroyer HP as they were already very fragile. The buff to their cannons is kinda nice, but only really usable against non-shielded targets of which you already have Long-rifle and frigate artillery for.  Edit: I suppose it lets them kinda take on Republic Heavy destroyers in the DPS race better, but if the traitors are getting close enough for this anyway then you've already screwed up.  I think I need to take a break from this  So, are you a bad enough dude to Interceptors Shields: You must have them as they are the only thing standing between you and getting one-shot by railguns. Not even Juggernaut + Carapace Armor would save you from that. Also, they recharge which armor cannot do. AP Ammo: Makes you more effective against the big things you want to kill as this also effects your bombs. Two bursts of Purifier bombs will not kill a carrier unless you have AP ammo! Also, smaller stuff like fighters are already in OHK territory unless they have Juggernaut armor or shields for your... Long Rifle: The ability to reach out and touch the enemy is something that you must have. It is OHK against fighters, 3HK against corvettes (with AP) and 4HK against heavy destroyers (with AP). So as a result you can make short work of enemy swarms or the escort of carriers. Furthermore, the ability to snipe off the torpedo turrets of carriers from a safe distance will make your life so much easier on your approach for bombing runs. You can also snipe out bridges or simply blast away at targets from max range if you'd prefer too. Don't be afraid to snipe flak or repair drones at range. However if the enemy has shields you are screwed unless you have.... Fury Missiles: Equal against shields and hull in practical terms this is what you will use to crack the shields for lighter enemies. If it's a fighter with shields, you can just dump the magazine and count it as dead. One magazine will take out the shields of a corvette or a heavy destroyer. You can also use it to finish off enemies, pop drones and even distract enemy omniflak from you as they will instead focus on the missiles. Purifier Bombs: They're simply superior to the Scarab, so use these. Destroyers Shields: With shields your destroyers will be two-shot by railguns and Carriers have two railguns at a time. Do the math. Shield Extenders: Your destroyers job is to (briefly) take the heat off you while they are alive. doubling their shields is the most effective way of doing this. Torpedoes: Your only form of long-range (7km) shield damage that is actually worrying to a capital, you simply must choose this. They'll also handle all lighter targets well too. Omniflak: When massed it'll slaughter fighters just as well if not better than the point defense and can shoot down torpedoes, the 2nd greatest thread to your capitals after railguns. A must take. Frigate Shields: Railguns are weaker to shields, and the frigate needs the leeway to do it's job. Regenerating HP is also always nice. Repair Drone: For fixing your fleet up between waves, you only need one drone to do this. Omniflak: For the same reason as destroyers. Keep your capitals lumped together and they'll live much longer! Tactics: -If there is a wave with flak drones, snipe them ASAP. They will gently caress your interceptors up faster than you can blink. -Ditto for repair drones, but they are usually lower priority. -If fighting a Carrier wave (four Carriers), take out the carriers with railguns first as they are more dangerous to you than torpedoes that can only do 8.5km, which is much less than your 12km Long Rifle. -However if the Carriers have shields this is inverted. You want to take out the torpedo carriers with purifier bombs ASAP first, as they make approaching to under-shields range much more difficult than railguns. -Another tactic against shielded carriers is to "cross the T" or to attack aggressively from the front of their line as they warp in. The front carriers will block the railguns and torpedoes of the back carreirs with their shields which will make your approach for a purifier bomb-run much easier. You should be able to take out one or two carriers in the first minute with this tactic. -Also, do not be afraid of sacrificing your interceptors to get fresh bomb reloads. As such try to only "graze" on escorts in carrier waves as needed so you have enough chaff to keep repawning. An exception to this is enemy frigates with torpedoes as they're simply too dangerous to your fighters. Eliminate them as soon as possible. Xerxes17 fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Aug 11, 2016 |
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Been following this game for a long time and finally bought into the Early Access version to try it out in VR. This is a really fun, polished game and VR really makes the experience spectacular. Good luck on release!
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VR performance is definitely improved and you got rid of the bounce back to default steamvr environment which is awesome, but sometimes now when I suicide into ships it won't render into the rift - it's just a black screen. Weirdly, the desktop mirror works, but it's just black on the rift itself until the mission is over (it turns back on if you fail the mission or go back to the menu). I suspect there's a logic error in that blackout function. I tried to reproduce it, it seems to happen most regularly after you suicide / ram a ship and the ship you're going to is under fire or dying, but I can't make it happen consistently. It happened maybe 3 times in a few hours that I played last night. Game still really fun in VR, still don't like the control scheme much :/ Bhodi fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Bhodi posted:VR performance is definitely improved and you got rid of the bounce back to default steamvr environment which is awesome, but sometimes now when I suicide into ships it won't render into the rift - it's just a black screen. Weirdly, the desktop mirror works, but it's just black on the rift itself until the mission is over (it turns back on if you fail the mission or go back to the menu). Yeah that was a stupid mistake on my end. The fade code is different during collisions and I didn't test it well enough. I fixed it late-ish last night so it should be good to go. Supernorn posted:Been following this game for a long time and finally bought into the Early Access version to try it out in VR. This is a really fun, polished game and VR really makes the experience spectacular. Good luck on release! Thanks! quote:still don't like the control scheme much :/ If you can suggest specific improvements that can be snuck in over the next few weeks before I launch this game into the sun, I'm all ears. Kairo fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Kairo posted:If you can suggest specific improvements that can be snuck in over the next few weeks before I launch this game into the sun, I'm all ears. I would like the 'map screen' to be 100% pause rather than just a slowdown at map start so you can give initial commands / decide which fighter you're going to pilot - I forget what map I was playing but my ships were already moving and under fire while I was doing the setup. I'd also like to start inside the cockpit - I was demoing my rift and people were really confused at having to hit "down" every time to "spawn in" as they put it. I'd like to be able to open the menu during the warp-in load, or have a retry/quit popup - if you die and just want to quit back out to the main menu to try something else, you currently have to wait the 10 seconds or so until the menu is active to abandon mission / retry. I also wanted to mention that engine trails and "up close" objects look weird in the rift, it's hard to describe but I think the calculated IPD is wrong or isn't going off of people's IPD while in chase or map mode. It's noticeable during the warp-in and the brief zoom-out after death and in the map, if the ship is real close. There are other balance things which you know more about than me, but missile lock-on distance significantly shorter than your autocannon is counter-intuitive and really annoying. The instruction picture in various places shows buttons which is at odds with the actual D-pad which you want people to use. Also, the command radial is really awkward for me to use, but I'm having trouble pinning down why. I'll see if I can isolate it, I just feel a general frustration trying to use it while in the middle of combat and doing other things. maybe I just want pressing the right gamepad to just bind to 'attack my target' and such. I haven't played around with many of the options, am just playing with the default bindings. Bhodi fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Bhodi posted:I think this was talked about at length upthread somewhere but I don't think the reload button adds much to the game and could probably be replaced / enhanced with an auto-reload when switching away from the weapon. What I would really prefer is a separate button for primary fire and a button for alternate fire rather than a button switch. I think this was a specific design choice on your part and I know there's been a lot of input on this though so I don't expect it to change, it's just all the different button presses get tangled up and it's easy to accidentally reload a weapon mid-combat and trying to switch to/from the bomb/torp isn't overly intuitive, as it doesn't permanently switch the alternate weapon. 1) Yeah you're right, the reloading isn't going to change at this point. 2) Do you hit start to pause/unpause when you exit warp and want to give orders? I might be able to add an option to autopause. 3) The menus not working during warp is a bug that I haven't been able to reproduce. Holding back or hitting ESC should bring up the menus but I haven't found out how to make this happen. 4) I think the scale is just a side effect of scaling the IPD so much (I don't set it with an absolute). Not sure what can even be done about it. 5) The fury missile launcher is like this for gameplay balance. Think of it like the Halo Needler more than a missile launcher. 6) The command radial probably won't change either, but if you can figure out specifically what is causing you problems, I can also look at it.
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Kairo posted:2) Do you hit start to pause/unpause when you exit warp and want to give orders? I might be able to add an option to autopause. Kairo posted:6) The command radial probably won't change either, but if you can figure out specifically what is causing you problems, I can also look at it. You replied too fast! I remembered two other things: The instruction picture in various places shows buttons which actually wants you to hit that direction in the D-Pad, like for getting into the cockpit; I noticed this and it could probably use a different graphic to make it more obvious. I'd also like an option to start inside the cockpit - I was demoing my rift and people were really confused at having to hit "down" every time to "spawn in" as they put it, they didn't understand why they didn't just start in the fighter (this was before I had unlocked any frigates, I started a new game for them but we had limited time and I felt the tutorial was "too boring" so I just skipped right into the first mission with "this button fires, this button targets, this button switches your weapons, have fun". Maybe this woudn't be a good change, just something I noticed. I wanted to show off the game without really getting into it, just to see the visuals. Oh, and in the latest version, there's no way to skip the tutorial anymore as the first mission doesn't unlock until it's done. Bhodi fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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I might be able to add an option to start in cockpit mode. I get feedback both ways for this -- some people like having the tactical overview be the first thing they see so they can understand the encounter space. Others just want to jump into the cockpit and shoot things. This kind of struggle is constant in a hybrid game like this. All orders are done through the radial. I can probably add separate commands but the d-pad won't be able to handle everything you'll likely want to do. Thanks for your feedback. Hopefully next game I won't have to spend so much time designing/dealing with all sorts of control issues and can just focus on actual gameplay (it won't be a cockpit game). It's something I didn't anticipate and there's often no good single answer for any of it.
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Kairo posted:I might be able to add an option to start in cockpit mode. I get feedback both ways for this -- some people like having the tactical overview be the first thing they see so they can understand the encounter space. Others just want to jump into the cockpit and shoot things. This kind of struggle is constant in a hybrid game like this.  I personally like the map mode but I can understand why it confused the people I was demoing it to (since there was a single option, your single fighter, they felt it was an extraneous step). We're too late in the dev cycle but I might have tried after the normal warpin, freezing time and doing a fairly fast 360 loop around the edge of the battlefield pointing inwards and then back to the craft you have selected, with a giant arrow "press down to pilot this ship" type thing, making it clear it was a "setup phase". In fact I would still like that, because there's not a good feel for the battlefield as a whole after warpin... Can you even pan the camera around at all? I vaguely remember in VR the camera being locked to the ship you're selected. E: I think I know why the radials frustrate me, at least the alternative weapon one - it doesn't pop up fast enough when I want to gap-drive in, unload my shotgun and then switch to bombs on a capital - the radial popup delay during the maneuver is too high for my tastes, and I'm often past the enemy before I can switch and aim. This is especially true if I need a torpedo lock. I think you might be in the single developer "I'm so done with this, this needs to get out the door so please just let me rest" step in game development at this point! I will say, back when you did livestreaming it was really interesting to see how the unity sausage was made, so thanks for that at least! Bhodi fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Bhodi posted:
This is an issue because of how other games have traditionally done it. I'm fine with breaking with tradition, but if there were a UI element that clearly delineated what the optimum range was for each weapon it would be a non-issue. If there already is some kind of range indicator, I guess I missed it.
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Kairo posted:I might be able to add an option to start in cockpit mode. I get feedback both ways for this -- some people like having the tactical overview be the first thing they see so they can understand the encounter space. Others just want to jump into the cockpit and shoot things. This kind of struggle is constant in a hybrid game like this. Yeah, and I'm in that other camp that likes it the way it is. *shrug*
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Finster Dexter posted:This is an issue because of how other games have traditionally done it. I'm fine with breaking with tradition, but if there were a UI element that clearly delineated what the optimum range was for each weapon it would be a non-issue. If there already is some kind of range indicator, I guess I missed it. It should say "OUT OF RANGE" on the target indicator. The unit stats in tactical mode lists the weapon ranges, and if you use the weapon radial from the cockpit it will show you the weapon stats (range, damage, etc) while it is open. Kairo fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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It would be super interesting to see a post mortem once you release this bad boy. Was it a success? Things you'd do differently for next project? Hire a staff?
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SaltLick posted:It would be super interesting to see a post mortem once you release this bad boy. Did you have to survive on ramen from the dollar store? Was managing distribution harder or easier than you thought? I'd be interested too, but realize you don't owe a bunch of curious goons anything. It's been interesting just reading the updates here.
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Oh poo poo, the guy who makes this is posting here? Your game is amazing and it's truly spectacular. It's one of the first VR experiences that made me go "holy poo poo dude". It's rough around the edges, but overall, it's a focused, well thought out, and beautiful game. Also it doesn't hurt that it's a love letter to the games I loved as a kid.
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Yeah, basically my only complaint about the game is that there isn't enough of it. That and the difficulty curve falls apart once you have the whole fleet, but up until then it's super intense and challenging.
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Geisladisk posted:It's one of the first VR experiences that made me go "holy poo poo dude". Popping in to second/third/four-hundreth this. I played through the whole campaign on a normal monitor and really enjoyed it, but holy crap this game is a thousand times better in VR. It's easily the best VR experience I've had to date. A few comments: • The screen you see once you finish a level is just barely too wide to easily read with a headset. It requires a lot of left and right head movement in order to get text within the center focus area. If it were a little narrower it'd be a bit better. • When you set the initial head position when you start the game it'd be great if there were a message about being able to reset it with RS (there might be and maybe I just didn't read it?). The text was on top of a star in the background when I first started the game so I turned my head and accidentally set my forward position way off to the right. I didn't know how to reset it without restarting the game. kedo fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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kedo posted:Popping in to second/third/four-hundreth this. I played through the whole campaign on a normal monitor and really enjoyed it, but holy crap this game is a thousand times better in VR. It's easily the best VR experience I've had to date. LOL, the first message tells you exactly that. Sounds like a combo of the RNG'd star being really close and in the perfect spot to screw you over. It's usually not a huge problem but maybe I can try forcing some offsets or just limiting how close that star can be. I'll take a look at the score screen. It's rough because changing it in VR also changes it in normal mode (so I don't have to do the work twice), and a lot of my UI is pretty small already. Thanks for the heads up!
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Kairo posted:LOL, the first message tells you exactly that. Sounds like a combo of the RNG'd star being really close and in the perfect spot to screw you over. It's usually not a huge problem but maybe I can try forcing some offsets or just limiting how close that star can be.  Yeah, I guess it was the perfect storm of star in face and me being an idiot apparently.e: Played again last night, yeaahhhh... that message is really obvious. I'm a moron. kedo fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Sep 25, 2016 |
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Hey Kairo - just had a bug pop up on Slaughter at Tannhouse gate. I only had to destroy two of the four marked freighters to complete the primary objective. I went after the first two on the left with purifier bombs, and after destroying them I immediately got a 'Primary objective complete'. The other two shielded freighters hadn't even been touched. Not that I don't mind that mission being a little easier, haha.
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Frida Call Me posted:Hey Kairo - just had a bug pop up on Slaughter at Tannhouse gate. I only had to destroy two of the four marked freighters to complete the primary objective. I went after the first two on the left with purifier bombs, and after destroying them I immediately got a 'Primary objective complete'. The other two shielded freighters hadn't even been touched. Thanks for the heads up. There's something wrong with the kill callbacks on that mission. I haven't been able to reproduce it on my end unfortunately, despite even having videos of it. Something is happening in a different order. I'll try taking a look soon. The ridiculous and awful flight stick problems never seem to end so I'm looking at one of those right now.
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Playing the game and absolutely loving it. Love the art direction and mix of Tactical and First Person elements. Already hoping you roll out a sequel with more missions and more pilotable craft. Have not finished yet but a couple comments: I'm playing with Joystick and Head Tracking. I use the mouse when in tactical overview mode. However when I come back in to first person mode sometimes the game treats the mouse virtual joystick and deflected. Its very annoying an I have to manually grab the mouse and recenter it. I find using the order radials useless since I'm using a joystick, it would be great if they could be done via the 8 way HAT instead. e.g. Press HAT in a direction and it opens the radial, select order, then release to execute it. Sometimes using the Purifier Bombs the sight is a giant red cross. Other times it just does not appear. The actual "bombsight" of the red cross isn't particularly useful. I'd buy a VR solution just to play this if the game had more replay ability.
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