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cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Luisfe posted:

I refilled a pilot varsity with lamy blue with the help of a chopped syringe.

End result: Feels good, man, but it seems it still had a bit of the black ink in even if the reservoir seemed empty and it was not writing anymore, since it is writing with a much more blackish tone than anything else I've filled with lamy blue.

Did you wash out the feed/grip section? A lot of ink can get trapped in there, even if it won't come out through writing.

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cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

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Zenostein posted:

Logistically, it's probably just a matter of PM/emails to get addresses.

So to step away for a moment, I think I murdered my Ahab. The piston doesn't want to stay screwed into the section: it'll just keep screwing and pop off. Have I somehow done something dumb, or can I ignore that?

Forget the whole thing and dive into the world of eyedropper fillers. :unsmigghh::hf::getin:

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Ed Mungo posted:

What do y'all keep your pens and pen accessories in?

I'm starting to accumulate some quantity of "pen stuff" like extra converters (I don't like the squeezy ones so I always swap them out) and the like. Right now I just have my small items in an empty Altoids tin, and the pens that aren't currently in use are stuffed in the box my Metropolitan came in. As long as I don't get anything new, this is working OK but we all know that's unlikely so I need to figure out a better storage solution. I keep all my pen stuff at work in my desk so I've been looking at things like roll-up pen cases on JetPens because I don't really have room for a big box or anything.

All my pens sit in a small tin that Adagio used to send tea samples out in. It holds two Ahabs, a Preppy, and a 540 comfortably enough, but anything more and I'd need another solution. My Hero 200a is on a display stand until I can bother with repairing the cap (small air leak causing the nib to dry out), my Vista used to stay at work except for overnight visits when I needed to refill it, and the 540 stays clipped to my traveler notebook. My inks I just keep in their boxes in a row on my drafting table, and all the little bits and bobs like converters, cartridges, syringes, they stay in a cheap plastic drawer unit I use to hold art supplies.

I could easily dedicate an entire drawer to all my pen stuff, but I like them as objet d'art too much to just lock them away. I would like to get a case or something to display my pens, but I don't have all that many at the moment and none of them look all that fancy aside from the Hero. I also fight the urge to just have the ink bottles on display because I know the light will damage the ink.

In other news, I flat-out lost my Vista! Kinda miffed, but oh well! That's why I kept a cheap pen at work. This is also the perfect opportunity to finally try out a Metro!

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Soricidus posted:

Does the bit in the OP about Asian nibs being finer than Western nibs apply to TWSBI?

Even though TWSBI is a Taiwanese company, the nibs they use are German, so they are roughly equivalent to other European nibs. If you're already familiar with the way a pen writes, the Nib Nook from the Goulet company might be of help in getting an idea.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Speaking of which, I just got a Metropolitan from the Goulets!

This thing is amazingly smooth. It blows my old Vista completely away and it even gives the 540 some competition. This should definitely be the starter pen, especially since you get a cartridge and a converter with it all for under :20bux:! I'll give a more thorough review once I've had a week to try it out at work.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Synastren posted:

So my TWSBI Vac700 should be showing up in a day or two. Is there any particular way I should flush it before using it?

Generally it's a good idea just to clean out any dust or machine oil that might be in the parts. It certainly wouldn't hurt and just delays inking it up by a minute or so.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Meldonox posted:

2. I saw Noodler mentioned a bunch and noticed that he has some weird poo poo on some of his bottles, eg Rome Burning. He's, uh, kind of a character, huh?

Nathan Tardif is an absolute lunatic who will voice his strong political opinions by making an ink about it. His bottles are some of the most schizophrenic things I've seen. Black Swan in Australian Roses even depicts mythological swan rape along side his trademark catfish.

Some of his inks are really nice, and there are a ton of different lines with unique properties such as freeze proof or blacklight reactive. The line of "bulletproof" inks are indelible when used on anything with cellulose fiber, but they can be kind of dull in colour and a little feathery on some paper. Totally get Noodler's inks if you find a colour or property that tickles your fancy, they're pretty cheap per mL as well!


The Forgers are going to steal your checks. Invest in gold. :tinfoil:

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Definitely burgundy. It's nowhere close to either a blood red or a dark pink.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Welp, looks like I finally can't justify not having Iroshizuku inks! Adding this to the OP.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Hell yeah, I'd love to buy a bottle of Take-Sumi and Shin-Kai off you if you happen to pick them up! Now let's hope flight delays don't interfere with your plans of being an ink mule.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Whoa, awesome review! I don't know how I'd feel about that taper, but those pens certainly look impressive for being made of plastic. Especially with the gold nib, the price seems reasonable enough, too!

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Reivax posted:

They're not bad inks, and you shouldn't have any problems with them. I personally don't like Quick Black and Blue (the only two I've tried) but that's personal taste. The black is a kinda dark grey and the blue is really boring.
The one thing you shouldn't use in a fountain pen is dip pen ink, like India Ink, which has sediment or something that clogs up the feed. Some really old ink also does this, as I found out to my cost. 30 year old Waterman Brown :downs:

India ink is a pigmented ink, and those pigments falling out of solution is what the "sediment" is, so yeah avoid any inks that say "pigmented" or anything but "dye-based" because they will clog up your pen.

India ink in particular you should :frogsiren: never :frogsiren: use because instead of water, it uses shellac as a solvent. It will dry up in your pen and you will never be able to get it out. Only use fountain pen inks in fountain pens, folks!

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
It would also help to keep your pens stored in an empty (and hopefully clean) soda bottle. They were designed to prevent contents from equalizing in pressure, and to keep liquids from spilling out. It also makes it easy to store them upright, so if it does happen the air bubble is already against the feed and has as little ink as possible to push out.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Mathematics posted:

I have to admit, I haven't been following this thread lately.

But did you guys know Todd Nussbaum from isellpens now sells his own line of pens?
There are $45 and $75 ones. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is other than size.

Anyway, I got a blue $45 one in the mail and it is absolutely gorgeous. It writes quite well too.

I'm wondering if any of you guys have gotten one of them or are planning to. They're called "Nussbaum pens".

(No affiliation, I just like it!)



That's quite a handsome pen! Comes with a converter and is packaged in a leather slip instead of a box, so the container is also a carrying case. Really neat ideas there! The only thing I notice that I don't like is that the cap threads are right there on the grip section, right where I'd put my fingers. That would drive me nuts and I feel like it's the only thing keeping me from loving this pen entirely.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

kim jong-illin posted:

Arse, I got my Lamy 2000 today and I'm not happy with the nib :(

I usually write with a 1.1 italic nib so I got a broad nib for the 2000 because the sampler on gouletpens.com made it look closest to the line thicknesses I get with an italic nib. Now the 2000's arrived and I hate the broad nib - it leaves way too much ink on the paper so the drying time is excessively long and it makes my handwriting look very sloppy.

Looking at a two to four week turn-around time to get the nib changed to a fine by Lamy as it has to go back to Germany for a nib change.

In some positive news, I'd recommend Noodler's Walnut Brown to anyone looking for a good brown-black ink. It starts off as a light black colour but rapidly dries and fades into a rich, dark brown that looks very slick and smart.

I hate to be "that person," but did you clean the pen before you tried it out? I also generally try to give a new pen a whole week to see if it has any little quirks about it or how to hold it properly. I hold my Vista a different way from my Metro a different way from my TWSBI. If you cleaned it and gave it a decent trial, then I hope the new nib works out for you!

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Even when not using bulletproof inks, it's good to give your pen a thorough cleaning every so often. Dust and paper fibers scrapped off by the process of writing can get clogged in even the best nibs.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

Stalizard posted:

Well, I never thought it would happen to me, but thanks to you jerks I just went to a pen store and spent twenty American Dollars on one measly pen. That same money could buy two hundred pens. I just gone one. An "entry level" or "beginners" model, at that - not even a good one.

Also now I have to concern myself with paper quality, lest my 20 dollar pen not perform as well as a pen that costs a dime. Also, once the supplied ink runs out, I have to determine whether or not my bottle of "India ink for fountain pens" is actually India ink or suitable for fountain pens. Also, care, maintenance, and million other details and concerns.

So thanks, dicks. It's all your fault :mad:

(It's a Pilot Metropolitan, I know I overpaid a little but I liked it better than the Lamy Safari I tried, and I love it.)

You're welcome, buddy. :thumbsup:


The India ink labelled "for fountain pens" is a water-based pigmented ink that uses the same pigments in legit India ink. It's suitable, but there are so many inks out there that unless you absolutely have to buy ink from that shop and they don't sell better ones, I'd recommend looking around the internet. There are some amazing inks with varying properties, some you might like better than others! Frankly it's the best part about fountain pen use.

e: If you're going to still use the India Ink for fountain pens, you'll need to flush out your pen more often to prevent pigment sediment from building up in the feed and causing problems. I'd recommend every other time you have to refill, do a deep flush with clean water and maybe a little ammonia or dish soap added in.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

teethgrinder posted:

An AFFORDABLE pen shop opened in Toronto! http://www.wonderpens.ca/

$7 shipping across Canada, free for $100+ orders.

They have a pretty big variety of stuff, pricing all over. Doesn't seem to be any retail markup on the basic Twsbi 580 for example and they have dirt cheap Platinum Preppies. The Al-Stars seem a bit pricy though, compared to Safaris at least.

Lots of great stationery that's hard to find here too.

Thanks! Added to the OP.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
HoD is my daily ink at work. My office is stocked with whatever the cheapest paper is at the time, so quality is all over the place. Feathering and drying time are not problems at all unless you need to write suuuuper tiny, in which case you could use an F or EF nib. I've used a Pilot Metro medium, Lamy Vista fine, and Platinum Preppy fine with great results, especially the preppy. Definitely the ink to use if you want a super-dark indelible black.



Not an Anthem posted:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/730727524/visionnaire-fine-writing-instruments-0?ref=home_popular

Not sure where its manufactured, but 37$ refillable fountain pens. Anyone hear about this yet?

Unremarkable pen with an up-its-own-rear end design philosophy. If it were $20 cheaper I'd consider getting one but there's no way it could outclass the Metropolitan.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
I can't speak for the Midori paper, but having a traveler notebook is really great. I had never heard of them until the Goulets started carrying them and made blog posts about it. Looking at the price of everything made me cringe, so I just made my own knockoff and stuffed some Clairefontaine notebooks into it. :v:

I use it as a portable notebook/journal/wallet sort of thing. I have a 3x5" notebook for general use, a couple of file folders I made myself out of old files using this guide, and even have a card sleeve and a tiny jotter notebook I use as a ledger. It's been really useful for keeping things organized and having a way to jot down ideas and everything while on the go.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
If you grip the nib in a pinch on the top and bottom sides, then pull straight out, you'll pull the nib and feed assembly out all at once and can just rinse it off with water and ammonia. You can then also just run water straight through the grip section, or let it soak in a cleaning solution for a little while and run clean water through it after that.

Those Preppies are really great pens for being so cheap (or free)!

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Who let all these pen hipsters into my thread?

Yeah, modern steel nibs aren't going to be as flexy as vintage gold nibs, but people aren't really doing copperplate as their everyday handwriting anymore either. If you like your vintage nibs that can flex out to a mile, great, but don't anybody sit on a throne and scowl down at the unwashed peons because their writing tool isn't as bendy in places as yours.


In unrelated news, flying with a bulb converter sucks. Get a piston converter for your Metro if you want to fly with it and keep that poo poo topped up (or completely empty).

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

milpreve posted:

I hate you all. By which I mean I read this entire thread in the last 24 hours and ordered a converted Preppy with a sample of HoD. :yayclod:
...
I tried to keep it simple with just the HoD and the Preppy, but I'm already plotting future purchases. I just need a positive balance in my bank account. :smithcloud:

Welcome to the fold. Don't forget to put a couple dozen ink samples in with your next purchase. :getin:

milpreve posted:

The OP was really informative, but a glossary would be useful. Not all of the lingo is obvious, like "demonstrator" seems to mean just a transparent/translucent pen?

Great idea! There's one for the parts of a pen, but I guess there are a few more esoteric words that would be helpful to have there. Feel free to toss in ideas of what I should add, folks!

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

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milpreve posted:

Here's a question for ye, TWSBI: "tee double-u ess bee eye," "twis-bee," or "toos-by" ?? I say the latter in my head, as "w" is a Welsh vowel pronounced "uu," but I don't want to go into a pen store and sound like a twerp. Also, LAMY: "lame-y" or "lamb-y" ?

Fake edit: Are there even any pen stores in Cleveland, OH? Googling brought up nuthin'.

"Twisby" and "Lah-mee." That's how they'll most be pronounced in youtube videos and suchlike.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:


I'm thinking about taking a picture of my collection (40+ pens, minus 4 Mabie Todds that are out being repaired). Any interest? I don't want to flood the thread with pictures no-one cares about.


I've got writing samples too, but they're in a notebook I'd have to scan.

:justpost:

I love seeing people's collections! There's no reason this thread can't have a little pen porn every once in a while. Show off what you have, talk about 'em if you want even!

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

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Edmond Dantes posted:

Ah, ok. I have the 1.1 on the CP1 so it would be about the same, as a few folks in the thread mentioned the 1.5 is a bit wide for everyday writing.

But then I saw the new Metropolitan models, and now I kinda want this one:


:allears:

All models here:
http://www.inknouveau.com/2013/09/new-animal-print-pilot-metropolitan.html

/edit: They're already listed over at gouletpens, but as "out of stock".
Availability: Expected to arrive in October/November 2013.

:sbahj:

I just wish some of these came in different combos. I'd love the python pattern with the body colour of the lizard pen.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

JP Money posted:

I guess I never noticed that it's a "long" pen but that article actually shows me that it is. I still stand by other pens being bulkier width-wise but you're totally right in that it's longer than most pens. I don't post my cap so maybe that's why I never really noticed.

I will 100% back up the converter being too small really. The attached pic shows how much space they wasted in this stupid design. They could very, very easily double the ink capacity for the Safari by just making the red portion of the converter much smaller.



The red portion is what holds the rest of the piston when you screw it in. It pretty much fills the space exactly when the converter is full. They could improve the design a little, but for however much you increase the ink reservoir, you also have to lengthen the piston by just as much. :eng101:

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Well, already owning a bottle of 54th makes me feel better that I have to sit this sale out due to moving.

Good luck with your ink, friends! It's a pretty great blue-black, if a little feathery.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Before I even read the body of your post I got excited about that face! :3:

I wish it came with a clip, but I'll have to get one of these anyway! Now I just gotta decide on a colour (grey can go gently caress itself).

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
With a backstory like that, it's a little disheartening that it isn't bulletproof. :(

If you're going to go with a Noodler's ink and you want it to be durable, I'd go for Black or Heart of Darkness.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Nathan Tardif is a treasure to this world and I hope he doesn't die, but instead ascends to Objectivist Heaven where he'll rain his inks down on us forever. :allears:

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
Here's the link to I Sell Pens, which is a pretty good retailer with fantastic customer service.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
I've had 54th, Purple Heart, and Heart of Darkness in Pilot, Noodler's, Hero, and TWSBI pens and none of them have been bad, though they are all really creepy and hard starters. As for Nathan Tardiff himself, I don't agree with his politics but I do think it's hilarious to see someone get so completely riled up about ink and rant on youtube about how you can't buy a 15 nib set for a dollar anymore. His inability to take criticism is incredibly off-putting, and I know if I had a genuine complaint about one of his products it would either fall on deaf ears or become my fault somehow. Still, HoD is a very, very black ink :shrug:


EagerSleeper posted:

Hi there, I was thinking about buying one of my first fountain pens since not only am I interested in trying to be a little more ecofriendly, I'm also interested in having a tool that's long-lasting. The only thing that's holding me back from completing my order online when I already have a whole shopping cart's worth of stuff is that it's the holiday season and I'm afraid that good discounts are going to be available right after I purchased something. I was wondering do any online suppliers have a history of special prices during the holiday seasons?


Also, here's a list of things that I plan to purchase:

o) Pilot Penmanship (Extrafine nib)
o) Pilot Metropolitan (Medium nib)
o) Pilot Petit1 (Fine nib)
o) J. Herbin ink cartridges (yeah I read that Pilot pens doesn't really take international cartridges but, I'm hoping that I can take the ink from the J. Herbin and refill any spent Pilots)

Have I taken the lover's leap too much?

Everyone's said some good stuff, but yeah, just buy the Metro. It's $15, comes with both a converter and a cartridge, and gives you a good starting point. If you don't like something about the nib or the way it writes or the size of the pen, you now know where to go when you buy your next one. It's exciting to dive right in, I know, but let's be sensible here!

As for the ink, get a bottle and some samples. Find a colour you love and get it, then get some samples of others. Goulet and I Sell Pens both offer pretty hearty sample vials for very cheap. Samples will give you the ability to test out the individual inks, see what properties or colours or brands you like and dislike, and again give you a place to go when you place your second order. The bottle is for something you know you're going to want, or know you're going to need. I imagine a lot of us bought black or blue as our first ink, simply for the utility of it, but there are definitely people who pored over swatch pages and picked their favourite colour based on nothing else. You just want to get something that you'll want to keep writing with even when all your samples have run dry and you're waiting for more ink to come in!

Whatever you do, keep us updated! :)

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
You can find both newsprint and unlined paper bound up in notebooks in any arts & crafts store or the art supplies section of any Target or the like. Most fountain pen paper companies also sell unlined notebooks of almost every size/binding.

While you probably could wash paper to make it blank, it would be way easier and more economical to just recycle old newspapers (and books I guess if you really want :ohdear: ) and buy what you wanted to use. It would damage the integrity of the paper, anyway.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.

twinight posted:

Dumb maintenance question time! So I've been using the TWSBI 580 as my daily pen for a fair bit now, refilled it once (first fill was about a half fill, didn't quite understand what I was doing), and have been generally having a really good time. I don't really plan on using anything other than Noodler's Black in it for any foreseeable future. How often should I go about cleaning the pen? Every few refills? I have no concept of how much crud will build up and how much cleaning should be done as preventative maintenance.

I'm not even sure to what extent I should go to with cleaning it. A full dismantle and clean or just a flush and gentle scrub of the nib and feed? Also, I noticed the 580 came with a small container of some silicon lubricant, where exactly is that used and should I be bothering with it when I'm cleaning it?

And while I'm at it, is there any general 'go-to' cleaning guide? I've seen a few, including TWSBI Diamond specific ones, but given that I know absolutely nothing its hard to tell good advice from bad.

It's good practice to clean your pen after every other fill. Just mix up some rinse and run it through the pen using the pen's built-in filling mechanism, just like you would do if you were filling it with ink. Flush it like that a few times until the rinse runs clear, then flush it out several times with clean water to get the chemicals out of the feed. You won't be harming anything by doing it after every 3 fills, or once a month, or whatever's most convenient for you.

To make some good, general-purpose pen rinse, just use a 10:1 ratio of water to pure ammonia, then add a drop or two of ordinary dish soap and mix well before use. That's what's in the store-bought pen flushes, so don't bother paying $12 or whatever for 8 ounces.

You don't really need to take it apart or scrub anything. TWSBI Diamonds are great for taking apart and fiddling with because they were meant to be user-serviceable, but there's no real /need/ to do so. The silicone grease is to lubricate the piston if it starts to stick or have too much resistance when you're filling the pen. You will rarely need to do that. There was an instruction pamphlet that came with the pen on how to disassemble and lubricate it, and there are some videos on youtube, if you ever want to get into that.

The only "go-to" cleaning method is to run pen rinse through the feed until it runs clear, then flushing it out with plenty of water. There are other things people do like floss the tines with a brass sheet, but that's not so important for just daily maintenance on a single-ink pen.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

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Serious Sam posted:

I remember we had fountain pens at primary school, when we learned proper handwriting.

When are you using a fountain pen, nowadays? Special occasions, or all the time?

All the time, unless I have to write on carbon paper or plastic bags for work.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

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dino. posted:

On 1 January, I'm going to be flying from LGA to FLL. :ohdear: My pens aren't expensive, but they're special to me, because they're the ones I have. I want to carry like 1 with me (with the cartridge 100% full, because I have one of those blunt needles to fill the pen cartridge with), and pack the rest in checked baggage. I've heard horror stories of the TSAids wanting to bend all the nibs on the carry-on pens, because something something :airquote: murrika :airquote:, something something :airquote: safety :airquote: . I'd be pretty pissed if that were to happen, so I'm happy to carry /a/ ball point for the flight, but if I'm worrying needlessly, I'll take a drat pen on board.

The last time I flew I had three pens in my bag and nobody said anything about them. Incidentally, I also managed to forget to remove my all-metal watch and it didn't set off the metal detector. :crossarms:

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
The major drawback to eyedropper conversion is having to keep your pens topped up. The heat in your hand causes the air inside to expand, and there's no way to get around that except by keeping the air bubble as small as possible. It's almost self-defeating, but even half of an eyedropper pen's reservoir is more than the typical cartridge or converter.

cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

I hope he didn't care about that pizza.
A couple of Noodler's inks come with Nib Creeper pens. They're kind of lovely, like most Noodler's pens, but they're really made to be cheap and easy to repair/modify, not to be good writers.

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cobalt impurity
Apr 23, 2010

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I'm all aboard the knife writing thread if we can buy Nathan Tardif an account and bring him in.

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