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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

almightyerin posted:

Good lord I picked a name out of the air. Substitute Papa Johns for Dominos, whatever. My whole point was that there are part time flexible jobs that you can get as a second job. And yes, actually, Dominos will hire you for just the volume shift, albeit as a driver usually.

You caught me, the driving is where the money is at and you'll definitely be able to just work the rush. Not every day though, that's a shift the drivers all want. Also, the norm at Domino's now is to kick drivers out as soon as the hit their minimum two hours. A lot of the time it's not worth it all to come to work if it isn't a day like Thursday/Friday/Saturday. As someone working 5-8, you're also not getting 6 days a week.

BUT

quote:

What I said applies to literally 95% of similar jobs.

You will not get hired for a minimum wage job to work only for a few hours a day as a college graduate and an intern. You might get lucky, but they literally have a stack of applications in the office from people that they can work to the bone and will be stuck there for a while.

If you think corporate policy and procedure varies greatly between Domino's, Papa John's, McDonald's, or even the local pizza store, you're plain wrong. There do exist flexible part time jobs, sure, but they are few and far between and have a line of applicants out the door. There are tons more people looking for work than there are jobs available right now, and that's simply an economic fact regardless of your personal beliefs.

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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Dec 28, 2007

Kiss this and hang

Moridin920 posted:

So, the escalation was Danny refusing to turn the TV off?

The escalation was:

Benny the Snake posted:

she demanded my brother to turn it off. Danny refused and things escalated. He insults her, she gets belligerent, and then she rushes after him to take away his cellphone.

The OP can clarify what "gets violent" actually means, but in the next sentence he says "then she rushes after him to take away his cellphone. The two of them rush into my room where I'm typing away something for my blog and she starts getting violent." I was assuming that was her continuing to try and grab his cell phone.

And we both agree, the parent's shouldn't have kicked them out as soon as they turned 18 to fend for themselves, and they didn't. In spite of them having some anger issues and lifestyle choices the OP finds offensive they have bucked up and supported these two kids even though they are going through a very tough time.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Alright. That's reasonable sounding then. The dad holding her back and OP having to threaten to call the police makes it worse than just grabbing at a phone even if that's all that was intended on the mom's part. Some clarification would still be good.

Clarity on the whole situation would be good, because the lawyer in me wants to say "OP said it escalated and then Danny insulted her, which is vague and we don't know if an insult was a reasonable response because we don't know what the mom said/did - also 'starts getting violent' would imply worse behavior than what she was already doing; grabbing for the phone," but I recognize that as being pointlessly pedantic since we don't really know what happened all too well. Maybe OP doesn't either since he was in his room?

I just felt the need to defend the OP because everyone else was ganging up on him and defending the mom who didn't really do anything admirable, either.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jan 31, 2013

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Moridin920 posted:

Nah dude, OP's spending all his time blogging and buying comics, while his brother watches hardcore lesbian porn in the family room, while the mom breaks her back to cook, clean, support the family, go to school, and otherwise be a total image of virtuous Christianity. She gets to blow of some steam every once in a while!

You are completely missing the fact that being a whiny bitch has zero chance of improving this situation. No-one is saying its fair that the OP has to respect these ridiculous rules, they are just saying that he should because he has exactly zero bargaining power here.

Benny the Snake posted:

I still feel I have a right to buy, consume, and own whatever media I chose.

You do. Just like your parents have the right to control what is kept in their house. So if you want to store your forbidden media somewhere else then do so, but you can't force your parents to let you keep it in their house.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

jabby posted:

You are completely missing the fact that being a whiny bitch has zero chance of improving this situation. No-one is saying its fair that the OP has to respect these ridiculous rules, they are just saying that he should because he has exactly zero bargaining power here.

Of course complaining about it has zero chance of improving anything. He was also asking for options though. Plus people were pretty much going "Aw, those poor parents! Look at what those loving cheeto encrusted goons have done to them to make them act like this! You lazy gently caress, get off your rear end and contribute because school and internships pale beside your comic book collection!" It was so ridiculous I had to say something.

jabby posted:

You do. Just like your parents have the right to control what is kept in their house. So if you want to store your forbidden media somewhere else then do so, but you can't force your parents to let you keep it in their house.

Yeah, honestly, I learned to hide my weed around my parents and never got caught. If I can do it with a smelly herb you can do it with a movie. Your brother should learn to avoid the situation by not consuming ANY media around them, that way if two girls touch on the TV and you weren't expecting it, mom won't have anything to say because she won't be around. It sounds like your parents grudgingly acknowledge a 'truce' so just take advantage of that to interact as necessary with them and stay the gently caress away while doing leisure activities.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jan 31, 2013

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Dec 28, 2007

Kiss this and hang

Moridin920 posted:

Of course complaining about it has zero chance of improving anything. He was also asking for options though. Plus people were pretty much going "Aw, those poor parents! Look at what those loving cheeto encrusted goons have done to them to make them act like this! You lazy gently caress, get off your rear end and contribute because school and internships pale beside your comic book collection!"


Yeah, honestly, I learned to hide my weed around my parents and never got caught. If I can do it with a smelly herb you can do it with a movie. Your brother should learn to avoid the situation by not consuming ANY media around them, that way if two girls touch on the TV and you weren't expecting it, mom won't have anything to say because she won't be around.

Your second point is all the other goons were trying to say. The "poor parents" posts are mostly to shock the OP into looking at the argument from their perspective. Yes, he may have left some things out of the OP which could clarify his reaction, but with the information given he seems to have a rather immature perspective on the situation.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:

Your second point is all the other goons were trying to say. The "poor parents" posts are mostly to shock the OP into looking at the argument from their perspective.

Hm, maybe. I guess I didn't see it that way.

Lyz
May 22, 2007

I AM A GIRL ON WOW GIVE ME ITAMS
At this point I'm picturing the mother as that God Warrior woman from Trading Spouses.

If you're that worried about your stuff, go rent a small storage unit or ask a friend to hold on to it for you. But until you finally move out, yeah you're pretty much going to have to deal with your mother's crazy (although if I had two grown, lazy sons mooching off of me, I'd be pretty nutty too).

THE MACHO MAN
Nov 15, 2007

...Carey...

draw me like one of your French Canadian girls
Sell your collection, get a job and move out because that sounds like a horrible environment.

In the mean time, you and your brother still should respect your parents rules, even if they are really dumb.

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME
Sounds like ya'll are pretty big disappointments to your parents

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
That she's violent isn't good, but you and your brother absolutely do not have the right to spend your parents' money on things they don't want you to spend it on. Legally, they can throw you both out anytime and have no obligation to support you financially. Figure out how to move out or at least get your own money; I paid rent to my parents while I worked part time at loving Target. hth

HiFiSi
Apr 11, 2007

The bottom line is if you're not paying rent and do not have any sort of lease agreement, you're not a tenant. Your their dependant, their child, you just happen to be a legal adult as well. As such, it's for the most part their house, their rules.

The way I see it, you have three options:

1 - Do what they tell you to do. This is from what I gather not a desirable course of action. It does solve the problem, but you'll probably be miserable for doing it.
2 - Continue doing what you want until the whole thing erupts and bad poo poo happens. This is probably not a very good idea.
3 - Get the gently caress out of there.

I'd say do anything and everything to make option 3 happen. It's the best for everyone in the situation.

ThatCguy
Jan 19, 2008

Benny the Snake posted:

Me and my brother are adults. We still live with our parents and neither of us are employed.

No, you're not. Second part sort of contradicts the first. Given the situation, you're basically a 15 year old.


quote:

On this night, my brother, who I will call Danny, was watching some TV show. I think it was Chicago Fire. Well, one particular scene included two women kissing eachother. My mom was doing work on the family computer next to her and saw the scene. Since homosexuality is, according to my parents, a sin, she demanded my brother to turn it off. Danny refused and things escalated. He insults her, she gets belligerent, and then she rushes after him to take away his cellphone. The two of them rush into my room where I'm typing away something for my blog and she starts getting violent. My dad comes in to hold her back and I threaten to call the police if she doesn't calm down. My mom retreats to the living room while Danny stews away here in the room.

Chicago fire has girl/girl? Hawt.

Tell your dumbfuck brother to change the channel when mom asks him to on the TV she loving paid for, dumbass.

quote:

Now the underlying issue is, besides our choices in media consumption, financial issues. My brother alone owes Mom about a thousand dollars in credit card bills. Money is tight and Dad is receiving unemployment benefits while doing part-time work. Mom is working as a teaching assistant while taking classes to earn her credentials. Since none of us make an income, we are unable to contribute significantly into groceries or rent. So the whole culture clash between our parent's conservative views on morality and our more liberal sense on what media we consume was ultimately the trigger to the larger stresses of financial uncertainty.

So, your folks are struggling, and have to pay for two dumbass kids still living at home who won't work. In addition to not chipping in, your brother is running up CC bills on dumb poo poo.

They're probably at the age where they figured they were going to be empty nesters and look at retirement in a few years. Now they're stuck with you guys who suck money, unemployment for your dad and no end in sight. That's kind of a stressful situation. Your mom is supporting a family of 4 when she should at least have 2 full grown adults supporting somewhat by working part time jobs. Instead she has 2 14 year olds.

Can I go for the E/N trifecta and assume neither of you two drive either?



quote:

Now here's the thing. My mom has threatened and demanded us to throw out anything we hold on to that is sinful in nature before. The last time was a giant freak out when she saw me watching porn on my computer. She went as far as to threaten to throw my computer out, stop paying for internet, throw the TV out, etc. I counter with telling her that I'll press charges of theft and property destruction. She turns around and tells me she can have me thrown out of the house. Dad, while not as belligerent, more or less agrees with her. To put it simply, I live in a house where my family wants to censure what we can read, watch, and listen to in this house and doesn't want us holding anything that would be deemed offensive to their beliefs. Since this whole thing started over a lesbian kissing scene, you can pretty much figure out their views on what's offensive.


Your parents aren't going to bring you up in front of Congress and slap your hand. They want to *censor* it.

And for god's sake, you live at home, jerk off at night, how do you get caught watching porn by your mom at 22+ years old?


quote:

And that's pretty much our situation. I collect comics and a substantial number of them are mature-rated indie series stored away in boxes. I can see that over the horizon, my parents are going to go thru my collection and demand that I throw them out. Goons, this collection has been done over a couple of years and as childish as it may sound, there's a real sentimental and monetary value to them. I love comics. I love reading them and collecting them. As much as I am in no position to live independently, I still feel I have a right to buy, consume, and own whatever media I chose. And for them to destroy or throw it out would be what I feel is destruction of personal property. But ultimately they have the leverage of this being their place and the ability to throw us out if they choose. What do we do, Goons? Do we rent a place to hide our books, games, and movies away? Should we confront them about all this? Neither of us can move out at the moment or rent a place together, so we're dependent on the lodging, food, and utilities that our parents provide. What should we do?

You shut the gently caress up and put your poo poo away in boxes.

Or, you sack up, realize you're an adult, get a job that pays actual money and move out. You've got 2 grown adults, you two can afford a lovely studio apartment if you both pick up jobs at taco bell.

Poison Cake
Feb 15, 2012

Benny the Snake posted:

And that's pretty much our situation. I collect comics and a substantial number of them are mature-rated indie series stored away in boxes. I can see that over the horizon, my parents are going to go thru my collection and demand that I throw them out.

Do your parents just randomly go into your room and start going through your stuff? Put the boxes away (under the bed, in the closet, etc.) until things cool down. Ideally, move them to a friend's house.

Does this internship have a decent chance of resulting in paid employment? I think it's a little wacky that your first thought seems to be, "My comics!", it should be, "Counting the days until I can move out". Because I agree with what others have said, your parents are loopy, but the best way of dealing with this situation is to get out of there.

FormerPoster
Aug 5, 2004

Hair Elf
Dude, how did you get caught watching porn? You live in a shared space with three other people, how do you not have locks on the doors? Either do it behind a locked door or don't do it.

Slab Squatthrust
Jun 3, 2008

This is mutiny!

Moridin920 posted:

You will not get hired for a minimum wage job to work only for a few hours a day as a college graduate and an intern. You might get lucky, but they literally have a stack of applications in the office from people that they can work to the bone and will be stuck there for a while.

Well, since I work in a grocery store, might I recommend applying to those? It's less lovely than fast food, there's a good chance of actually getting ~20 hours assuming you actually show up to work regularly, and I promise you they don't give a gently caress about people being overqualified. Sadly, we actually have a lot of people apply that manage to fail to qualify to work at a loving grocery store. Background checks failing are really common, but more often they fail those basic work ethics/personality test things that they give you. Yes, seriously. I would estimate (I don't do the actual hiring, but I tend to hear about them) that about 60% of the people that apply (to a minimum wage retail job) fail to meet it's really low standards. I've never seen anyone turned away for being overqualified at fast food either, but maybe that's the excuse they use now when people are obviously just worthless sacks of poo poo they don't want to hire?

Also, that stack of applications? Nobody loving looks at that poo poo. No one's digging through months of files to find ~the one true sales clerk~ or some poo poo. If you call and pass the basic online ethics poo poo, you'll come in and get hired unless you then fail the drug test or we don't need anyone. If we fire someone, the person who gets it is generally 1) someone who is suggested by another employee or, 2) the next person to call who meets the requirements, because, hey, at least then you're showing interest in the drat job.

Sulphuric Asshole
Apr 25, 2003
Tell your brother to get off his lazy rear end. If he is using the "I have to study" excuse, tell him to get a seasonal job over the summer.

I studied for an engineering degree by day, washed dishes in a restaurant until 3am, and spent my summers working 80 hours/week in near 100% humidity in 90 degree weather at Cedar Point emptying garbage cans and sweeping up peoples cigarette butts.

Ktb
Feb 24, 2006

Benny the Snake posted:


On this night, my brother, who I will call Danny, was watching some TV show. I think it was Chicago Fire. Well, one particular scene included two women kissing eachother. My mom was doing work on the family computer next to her and saw the scene. Since homosexuality is, according to my parents, a sin, she demanded my brother to turn it off. Danny refused and things escalated.

I feel sort of bad for your mother here because she was trying to work. I find it hard enough to work when someone else is goofing off watching TV or whatever next to me. And that's TV that I don't have a moral problem with being watched by someone I am not struggling to support with the work I am trying to do. Your mum shouldn't be getting so worked up but I can see how the situation is stressful for her. I completely disagree with her beliefs but you have to know that you will never change her beliefs about morality all you will do is increase hostility and tensions. I think the best you can realistically hope for is to return to the truce you had previously until such time as you can arrange a better living situation. Maybe talk to your brother about how he shouldn't resort to insults when your parents (who are paying your rent, food, bills etc) ask him to respect their wishes in their home.

In the interest of peaceful living, I recommend that both you and your brother apologise to your mother for upsetting her and insulting her. Stop doing things to upset and insult her and move all your controversial comics etc to a friend's house and maybe make sure that you and your brother watch any media that might cause problems in your rooms with the door shut or also at a friend's house. Also start saving up and make plans to move out ASAP, do you have friends or cousins you can houseshare with?

The reason you are getting hostile responses is because you say entitled poo poo like this:

Benny the Snake posted:

I still feel I have a right to buy, consume, and own whatever media I chose. [...] we're dependent on the lodging, food, and utilities that our parents provide. What should we do?

Your parents have sucky beliefs but you should be grateful that they are continuing to provide for you, a lot of people do not have family to support them and would be living on the street in your position. For you to be insisting that it is your right to own media is going to ring hollow with people who need all the money they earn to pay rent and buy food and have no entertainment budget.

What sort of media do your parents buy and own? Do you think that maybe they go without things they would like in order to give you and your brother a better life than you would have without them? Like it or not, while they are supporting the two of you, your parents are sacrificing the luxuries that they could have bought with that money so to them it is not unreasonable to ask you to give stuff up for this arrangement too.

Benny the Snake posted:

[...] she saw me watching porn on my computer. She went as far as to threaten to throw my computer out, stop paying for internet, throw the TV out, etc. I counter with telling her that I'll press charges of theft and property destruction.

I hope you were overstating this because this sounds like an argument that teenagers have with their parents. You admit you wouldn't have food, shelter or utilities without your parents providing them for you but you threaten to press charges against your mother if she stops paying for your internet? Jesus Christ. Also try to not let your mum catch you yanking it dude, that's like wanking 101. Even non religious mums would probably overreact a bit to walking in on that.

Blackbird Saga
Aug 1, 2011

OP, how much are you currently spending on comics/non-essentials? It's cool to have hobbies. It's also cool to entertain yourself when you don't have a lot of money. But if you are spending more on things you don't need, this probably isn't the best time to do it. It doesn't mean you can't have nice things ever, and living in your parents' house doesn't mean you give up all autonomy (and really, the situation does sound very frustrating), but from their perspective, you're trampling all over their wishes. Which are probably very reasonable and natural to them, but not to you- and it doesn't sound like trying to get them to see your side of it would be very productive.

"Their house, their rules" always sounds too simple to me, but- they are in the position of control here. You can't change that, you can't change them- the only thing you can change is how you react to it, and for as long as you still live with them, you can't really do as you want.

They might be jerks, but it's in everyone's best interest to not aggravate each other. Unfortunately, the onus is on you to start.

What does your internship entail/does it offer any leeway towards getting another job in the meantime, assuming something is available? How much do you do in the house, and is it possible to do something extra to show that you're willing to chip in and appreciate what your parents are doing for you? Even if you don't appreciate it, it's practical to at least pretend you do. I'd suggest a path of non-aggression myself- go along with as much as you can, as graciously as you can, while getting your things to a safe location. Do you have any friends in the area?

And seriously consider if there's a time frame for moving out that you can put together. What are your future goals? What do you intend to do in the next year? The next five years, etc. Sometimes it can be easier to tolerate current annoyances, if you have something concrete to look forward to.

And more for curiosity than anything: how did your brother rack up that much debt? I'd cut him off and let him deal with his own problems, really. Maybe by comparison you'll come off as the good child and won't be bothered as much. Just be more careful with the porn, geez. No parent wants to seethat.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo
Do you get an allowance?

If not, how do you pay for day to day living? (Forgetting about any comic purchases) I'm presuming that if you don't, your internship pays something, even if its poo poo. You need to split some of that money off and give it to them, even in some low proportion. I would give them a token that you understand your living in their house.

If you do get an allowance/stipend of some sort from them, whelp your not an adult.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES
So okay. I can see the general gist of the posts are "their house, their rules." Now I will admit, I am over-reacted about the whole "pressing charges on property damage" and that I sound like a whinny teen. I accept that :ohdear: Also, no. I don't plan on pressing charges. It's more of a "oh yeah?!" petty thing that I realize now makes me look stupid. Sorry.

My brother is looking for a job. I am too. I've been pounding the pavement passing out resumes to ever office and filling out applications to every place that says "now hiring". So it's not like me or Danny are doing nothing-we're trying to find employment for ourselves and this family. My internship is non-paid, but it's for a political campaign that I can't comment on becuse I signed a confidentiality statement. However, it will provide connections, networking, and will look really good on my resume. I'm also waiting on a tutoring service to schedule another interview. A couple of weeks ago, they wanted to do an interview but because I don't have a car, I had to secure transportation first. I missed that interview, but I called the company back and they said they'd make a note that I'm still interested and that they will schedule an interview in my home town. I just have to wait a couple of weeks from now untill it goes down :shobon:

Professor Dog posted:

You mention the police/pressing charges a couple of times in your post. Have you ever felt the need to do so?

...well, there was a point where the drama between my parents escalated to the point that my mom got violent and started hitting my dad. I was only a kid so I got scared and called the cops. My mom was charged with a misdemenor and taken to prison for I'm guessing assault. Since then, she lost her really nice job teaching at a kindergarten right down the street and we lost government aid to pay for rent. I kinda hosed us over beause of that.

And as for how I'm paying for my hobbies: meager savings. I held down a couple of part-time jobs while I was in school for the first couple of years and since I've made every effort to find another one. This economy sucks, so I decided instead to double-down on studying. I'm not buying too much, just two or three a month. Also I am actively contributing to pay for the cell/internet bill and groceries a month. The agreement we all have is once I get a job, I start paying rent. I'm not going to invest in a car right now because I want regular employment to pay for upkeep (gas, repairs, etc.)

Jkid
Apr 20, 2010

Benny the Snake posted:

And as for how I'm paying for my hobbies: meager savings. I held down a couple of part-time jobs while I was in school for the first couple of years and since I've made every effort to find another one. This economy sucks, so I decided instead to double-down on studying. I'm not buying too much, just two or three a month. Also I am actively contributing to pay for the cell/internet bill and groceries a month. The agreement we all have is once I get a job, I start paying rent. I'm not going to invest in a car right now because I want regular employment to pay for upkeep (gas, repairs, etc.)

You need to use those savings to find a cheap locker you can own somewhere in a city. Not a storage place, a locker place.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

almightyerin posted:

Good lord I picked a name out of the air. Substitute Papa Johns for Dominos, whatever. My whole point was that there are part time flexible jobs that you can get as a second job. And yes, actually, Dominos will hire you for just the volume shift, albeit as a driver usually.
I've worked at a pizza place before. And I just applied to a Pappa John's downtown as a cook since, well, I don't have a car. As for why I haven't bought one by now especially since I had part-time employment at one point, it wasn't enough to pay for a car/provide upkeep and right now I'm using public transportation.

And yeah, fast food I get that. The local McDonald's isn't hiring, but I've been applying to every other place too. I'm literally walking around town, looking for retail/fast food places that say "now hiring" and dropping off resumes at offices and making a good first impression. And I'm making regular intervals around said places to catch the "now hiring" signs. I just applied at a sandwich place yesterday that is hiring. Just want to make it clear I'm not just sitting around doing nothing.

AngryRobotsInc
Aug 2, 2011

Sorry to burst your bubble, OP, but your comics probably aren't worth poo poo. Unless they're bagged, boarded, in perfect condition, and often, graded, you'll be lucky to get anything for them, let alone anything substantial. The big name comics like Amazing Fantasy #15, Action Comics #1, Detective Comics #27, etc. make people think their X-Men #whatever is worth some big bucks, but they aren't. Unless you have some things like the first appearance of characters in big name series, they're worth maybe a buck or two a piece, each. Even less if they're fairly recent in the scheme of things.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

Jkid posted:

You need to use those savings to find a cheap locker you can own somewhere in a city. Not a storage place, a locker place.
Well right now I'm dropping my comics hobby in favor for paying my parents more on groceries.

AngryRobotsInc posted:

Sorry to burst your bubble, OP, but your comics probably aren't worth poo poo. Unless they're bagged, boarded, in perfect condition, and often, graded, you'll be lucky to get anything for them, let alone anything substantial. The big name comics like Amazing Fantasy #15, Action Comics #1, Detective Comics #27, etc. make people think their X-Men #whatever is worth some big bucks, but they aren't. Unless you have some things like the first appearance of characters, they're worth maybe a buck or two a piece, each. Even less if they're fairly recent in the scheme of things.
Which is why I said in the op it's more sentimental value. I love reading comics and I really enjoy the medium. Now don't get me wrong, I am willing to part with it. Just now I think that it'd serve me better to store them in a locker or something.

I'm going to talk to my parents about it and assure them I'm looking for work and that I'm going to move my comics, etc. away from the place if I can' negoitate anything else. Fair's fair.

Thanks goons. I appreciate the swift rear end kicking I'm getting from each and every one of you. I came here for the reality check and the helpful advice and you guys delivered. Thanks a bunch.

Quixotic
Sep 2, 2004

Benny the Snake posted:

Well right now I'm dropping my comics hobby in favor for paying my parents more on groceries.
Which is why I said in the op it's more sentimental value. I love reading comics and I really enjoy the medium. Now don't get me wrong, I am willing to part with it. Just now I think that it'd serve me better to store them in a locker or something.

I'm going to talk to my parents about it and assure them I'm looking for work and that I'm going to move my comics, etc. away from the place if I can' negoitate anything else. Fair's fair.

Thanks goons. I appreciate the swift rear end kicking I'm getting from each and every one of you. I came here for the reality check and the helpful advice and you guys delivered. Thanks a bunch.
You should probably balance the praise your family is getting for supporting you against the fact that your mother at least is a violent, controlling homophobe and set all your sights and plans on getting out, out, out. I don't support the stigma that adult children shouldn't live with their parents (lots of cultures do this, and it's perfectly acceptable, even when you get married/have your own kids), but the environment you're being given is toxic, even while they are financially supporting you and your brother.

Agro ver Haus doom
Jul 27, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post
OP how much money do you spend on comics and weed each month?

Vietnamwees
May 8, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Good grief, how many serious/joke posts are there going to be about the OP being a lazy slob? And almost everyone seems to view collecting comics as some kind of of extremely nerdy and unacceptable hobby.

Leopold N. Loeb
Apr 26, 2010

by XyloJW

Vietnamwees posted:

Good grief, how many serious/joke posts are there going to be about the OP being a lazy slob? And almost everyone seems to view collecting comics as some kind of of extremely nerdy and unacceptable hobby.

Not at all, tell the next chick you meet at a bar about your comic collection, it's a sure-fire way to get women all up on that goonwiener.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

Quixotic posted:

You should probably balance the praise your family is getting for supporting you against the fact that your mother at least is a violent, controlling homophobe and set all your sights and plans on getting out, out, out. I don't support the stigma that adult children shouldn't live with their parents (lots of cultures do this, and it's perfectly acceptable, even when you get married/have your own kids), but the environment you're being given is toxic, even while they are financially supporting you and your brother.
I realize that. But she's family. As much as I know how my parents can be horrible, horrible people, I remind myself that they're just trying to make it day by day. Opinions on morality and equality nowithstanding. I've pretty much resigned myself to living here and putting up with their personalities for the time being. Once I find regular employment or at least something temporary is when I will actively make a plan to get out of here.

Vietnamwees posted:

Good grief, how many serious/joke posts are there going to be about the OP being a lazy slob? And almost everyone seems to view collecting comics as some kind of of extremely nerdy and unacceptable hobby.
Thanks man. My hobby was born out my genuine love and appreciation for the medium and a naive hope that I can myself become a comics writer. That naive hope still persists today, but I'm grounding it with the realization that I need a job first. Hey, I can dream, right?

Benny the Snake fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jan 31, 2013

Horrible Smutbeast
Sep 2, 2011
OP the problem is you and your brother are being selfish and trying to treat your parents like they're landlords when really you're grown rear end children still living at home. You have never moved out and been on your own, then got invited back to live with them when things got too tough. You never got laid off or divorced and just needed a place to stay until you got back on your feet. You've never left so there's no reason why they'd treat you like adults.

You're still children and your parents are sick of it. How much time do you spend a week cooking and cleaning for your parents because they're not charging you rent? How many times have your parents asked to respect their basic rules while you live there (don't look at porn/naughty stuff) and you ignored them? Not only that, but they're going through financial troubles and the two of you are still attached to their teats and spending their money. Seriously, you keep saying your brother and you are trying oh so hard to get jobs and move out but your brother is racking up credit card debt under their name?

Your parents might be abusive. They might be sick and tired of your poo poo and at the breaking point. Nobody will know until you get the hell out on your own. Why don't you pack up your collections of comic books and childish nerd poo poo, put them in a paid storage locker until you can move out and start taking actual steps to leaving. If you want the internet so badly tell your mom to put it in your name and you'll take care of it. Hell, cancel the internet and get one of those usb wireless sticks or walk down to the mcdonalds and use their internet. You want cable tv? Pay for it. If you want to be treated like an adult you need to start acting like one, and using what little money you have to buy comic books every month while your mother supports you all while trying to go to school is not it. Sure, you can say it's only $X a month but at the end of the day your mother is still seeing you come home with nerd poo poo while she's busting her rear end for you.

Leopold N. Loeb
Apr 26, 2010

by XyloJW

Horrible Smutbeast posted:


walk down to the mcdonalds and use their internet.

Dude, do you really expect him to jack it at McDonald's?

Agro ver Haus doom
Jul 27, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Horrible Smutbeast posted:

OP the problem is you and your brother are being selfish and trying to treat your parents like they're landlords when really you're grown rear end children still living at home. You have never moved out and been on your own, then got invited back to live with them when things got too tough. You never got laid off or divorced and just needed a place to stay until you got back on your feet. You've never left so there's no reason why they'd treat you like adults.

You're still children and your parents are sick of it. How much time do you spend a week cooking and cleaning for your parents because they're not charging you rent? How many times have your parents asked to respect their basic rules while you live there (don't look at porn/naughty stuff) and you ignored them? Not only that, but they're going through financial troubles and the two of you are still attached to their teats and spending their money. Seriously, you keep saying your brother and you are trying oh so hard to get jobs and move out but your brother is racking up credit card debt under their name?

Your parents might be abusive. They might be sick and tired of your poo poo and at the breaking point. Nobody will know until you get the hell out on your own. Why don't you pack up your collections of comic books and childish nerd poo poo, put them in a paid storage locker until you can move out and start taking actual steps to leaving. If you want the internet so badly tell your mom to put it in your name and you'll take care of it. Hell, cancel the internet and get one of those usb wireless sticks or walk down to the mcdonalds and use their internet. You want cable tv? Pay for it. If you want to be treated like an adult you need to start acting like one, and using what little money you have to buy comic books every month while your mother supports you all while trying to go to school is not it. Sure, you can say it's only $X a month but at the end of the day your mother is still seeing you come home with nerd poo poo while she's busting her rear end for you.

Pretty much nailed it.
OP how exactly was your mom being violent? Was she threatening to break your brother's Game Gear or burn one of your precious comics?
How exactly do you plan to be successful in life when you're unwilling to do anything (like putting down the manchild books) that helps you get ahead in life?

Agro ver Haus doom fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jan 31, 2013

rizuhbull
Mar 30, 2011

Your mom can have crazy rules if it's her place. So yeah, hide your poo poo, OP.

Leopold N. Loeb posted:

Not at all, tell the next chick you meet at a bar about your comic collection, it's a sure-fire way to get women all up on that goonwiener.
You're not funny. No one chooses what hobbies to pursue based on if women like it. If OP wants to collect comics, let him collect comics. Quit being a wannabe cool guy shithead.

Vietnamwees
May 8, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Leopold N. Loeb posted:

Not at all, tell the next chick you meet at a bar about your comic collection, it's a sure-fire way to get women all up on that goonwiener.

So women can't have genuine, or at least passing, interest in comic books? I'll remember that next time I'm talking to a woman and instead I'll explain why women aren't good drivers.

Why would you even bring this up, anyway? Should every man's hobbies and interest revolve around trying to pick up women, and ONLY trying to pick up women?

Horrible Smutbeast posted:


OP the problem is you and your brother are being selfish and trying to treat your parents like they're landlords when really you're grown rear end children still living at home. You have never moved out and been on your own, then got invited back to live with them when things got too tough. You never got laid off or divorced and just needed a place to stay until you got back on your feet. You've never left so there's no reason why they'd treat you like adults.

You're still children and your parents are sick of it. How much time do you spend a week cooking and cleaning for your parents because they're not charging you rent? How many times have your parents asked to respect their basic rules while you live there (don't look at porn/naughty stuff) and you ignored them? Not only that, but they're going through financial troubles and the two of you are still attached to their teats and spending their money. Seriously, you keep saying your brother and you are trying oh so hard to get jobs and move out but your brother is racking up credit card debt under their name?

Your parents might be abusive. They might be sick and tired of your poo poo and at the breaking point. Nobody will know until you get the hell out on your own. Why don't you pack up your collections of comic books and childish nerd poo poo, put them in a paid storage locker until you can move out and start taking actual steps to leaving. If you want the internet so badly tell your mom to put it in your name and you'll take care of it. Hell, cancel the internet and get one of those usb wireless sticks or walk down to the mcdonalds and use their internet. You want cable tv? Pay for it. If you want to be treated like an adult you need to start acting like one, and using what little money you have to buy comic books every month while your mother supports you all while trying to go to school is not it. Sure, you can say it's only $X a month but at the end of the day your mother is still seeing you come home with nerd poo poo while she's busting her rear end for you.

I honestly can't tell if this is a serious post or not.

Vietnamwees fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 31, 2013

waste of internet
Sep 13, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post

Benny the Snake posted:

...well, there was a point where the drama between my parents escalated to the point that my mom got violent and started hitting my dad. I was only a kid so I got scared and called the cops. My mom was charged with a misdemenor and taken to prison for I'm guessing assault. Since then, she lost her really nice job teaching at a kindergarten right down the street and we lost government aid to pay for rent. I kinda hosed us over beause of that.

No, your mom "kinda" hosed you over, because of that. Normal adults in a normal relationship don't physically abuse each other. Perhaps your mom should have thought about the consequences like a responsible parent.

I seriously hope she's never brought that scenario back up and placed the blame on you. If she does, you need to make her aware that you weren't the one beating people.

ThatCguy
Jan 19, 2008

Vietnamwees posted:



I honestly can't tell if this is a serious post or not.

You're pretty far along that-thar autism spectrum, aren't ya?

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES

Horrible Smutbeast posted:

OP the problem is you and your brother are being selfish and trying to treat your parents like they're landlords when really you're grown rear end children still living at home. You have never moved out and been on your own, then got invited back to live with them when things got too tough. You never got laid off or divorced and just needed a place to stay until you got back on your feet. You've never left so there's no reason why they'd treat you like adults.

You're still children and your parents are sick of it. How much time do you spend a week cooking and cleaning for your parents because they're not charging you rent? How many times have your parents asked to respect their basic rules while you live there (don't look at porn/naughty stuff) and you ignored them? Not only that, but they're going through financial troubles and the two of you are still attached to their teats and spending their money. Seriously, you keep saying your brother and you are trying oh so hard to get jobs and move out but your brother is racking up credit card debt under their name?

Your parents might be abusive. They might be sick and tired of your poo poo and at the breaking point. Nobody will know until you get the hell out on your own. Why don't you pack up your collections of comic books and childish nerd poo poo, put them in a paid storage locker until you can move out and start taking actual steps to leaving. If you want the internet so badly tell your mom to put it in your name and you'll take care of it. Hell, cancel the internet and get one of those usb wireless sticks or walk down to the mcdonalds and use their internet. You want cable tv? Pay for it. If you want to be treated like an adult you need to start acting like one, and using what little money you have to buy comic books every month while your mother supports you all while trying to go to school is not it. Sure, you can say it's only $X a month but at the end of the day your mother is still seeing you come home with nerd poo poo while she's busting her rear end for you.
Don't you think I'm aware of this? You think I would be doing this unpaid political internship without pay while searching for a job if I wasn't aware how bad my situation is?

I'm doing my part by contributing and more importiantly not abusing my parent's credit. My brother's a selfish rear end in a top hat. I'm just as big of one. But I know not to escelate poo poo. I'll let you guys know first thing when I get a job. Belive me: I'm going to contribute signifigantly more.

waste of internet posted:

No, your mom "kinda" hosed you over, because of that. Normal adults in a normal relationship don't physically abuse each other. Perhaps your mom should have thought about the consequences like a responsible parent.

I seriously hope she's never brought that scenario back up and placed the blame on you. If she does, you need to make her aware that you weren't the one beating people.
She hasn't.

Agro ver Haus doom
Jul 27, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post
How much money do you spend a month on weed and comics?

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waste of internet
Sep 13, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post
What are you doing for your internship? What campaign/organization are you with? If you can't get into specifics, just list what skills are required to do what you do.

How much money do you spend a month on weed and comics?

waste of internet fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jan 31, 2013

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