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Yeah I don't think freaking out to the point of someone having to threaten to call the police to get you to calm down really falls under the category of "parents trying to tell their kids to move out but in the wrong way." Nice Christian behavior, by the way. The most devout always seem like they have the biggest axe to grind. I feel sorry for any kids she might teach in the future who are different. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:You should think about what you wrote here. I have some hobbies that I like and are expensive, but when I was scraping by after college, I didn't spend money on them. I deferred my spending to a later date, because you know what? Being financially independent, having a roof over your head and food on the table is more important than your hobbies. Your living situation with your mother and father sucks. You need to dedicate your time, money and energy to putting yourself in a position to change it, rather than whining about My Rights. I don't think watching TV constitutes a significant drain on resources. For all you know he pirates his media and the financial cost is zero. Also, 'you don't deserve entertainment or relaxation, bootstrap your way to success and don't take time for yourself until you are there.' He said his comics are worth money because he's accumulated his collection over time, not that he spends a bunch on them currently. \/\/\/ Well he already finished college, and jobs are tight. He's in an especially lovely situation because all the minimum wage jobs you'd recommend he can just "get whenever he wants, just walk down the McDonalds!" (which is bullshit by the way, jobs are loving hard to get in this economic climate period) likely wouldn't hire him because he's too overqualified. College degree people taking jobs out of desperation will walk the second they get a better offer and managers know that. Also, nowhere does he say his mom is doing a disproportionate amount of chores. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:You and Danny need to have a nice long chat about your responsibilities to the family. Right now you both look pretty bad. You to a lesser extent..but still..comics? Really? When you contribute nothing at all? Again, he isn't saying he's spending all his money on comics. He isn't even saying he's spending ANY money on comics. All he said is he has a collection that has monetary value and that his parents will want to throw away. In fact, he hasn't really said anything at all about the chores he does, if he is searching for a job but unable to find one, etc. It really isn't that weird to see a college grad with no immediate job prospects living with his parents again for a while. Yeah, his brother owes his parents money but that doesn't mean poo poo in regards to the OP's responsibilities. He has the right to not have his property smashed and thrown away, and to not be screamed at regardless of what you may think about "haha lazy goon," or "lol YOUR rights  " I'd be pretty pissed if someone started screaming at me because something 'immoral' appeared on TV, which I have no control over whatsoever, unless he was playing a DVD or something he'd seen before.Reene posted:How the gently caress did your brother rack up a thousand dollars of credit card debt? I literally was broke for a semester in college and had to pay for gas/food all off my credit card, hoping my financial aid would come through. It never did for various stupid administrative reasons, but basically I maxed out my $1000 credit card. The difference is I just never paid it instead of getting my parents to. \/\/\/ Yeah let's be respectful about beliefs involving screaming and violence towards your children because the naughty women kissed on TV. Let's also make unfounded assumptions and collectively jerk off over the goon stereotype you've apparently all jumped to because he owns comic books. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:Ok lets set the comics aside. But reading between the lines, it was Danny who started this whole thing by "breaking the truce." You have to admit that was a dumb loving thing to do right? No wonder mom flipped her wig. Her son disrespected her wishes and probably not for the first time..she just lost it that time. Even the OP says both boys then went on to inflame the situation. Danny sounds like a dumbass sure. Remember though, that the 'truce' was broken (sounds like this family has bad communication to begin with) because a scene appeared his mom didn't approve of on a TV show, which Danny had no control over. Unless Danny had previously seen that episode of whatever-the-gently caress, how could he in ANY way know that scene was going to be in there? So, when the mom then freaks and demands he shuts it off, you can see why a reasonable person would think "dude, that was in no way my fault and she's being a dick." And then the argument escalates. Plus, I just reread the OP and saw that Danny is in school, too. So, it's not like he's literally just being a shitbag doing nothing. My issue is that there's total lack of communication and respect, but everyone is immediately white knighting this mom, when honestly, in any other circumstance other than parent/adult son we'd all be thinking "what a religious nutjob." She came into the OP's room, who was doing nothing wrong, to get violent with his brother, and his dad had to hold her back and OP had to threaten to call the cops to get her to chill out. These aren't actions that should be praised in any case. That's some poo poo I'd expect to see on Cops. Odrade posted:Yeah apart from I didn't say that at all. I said why can't he work. Because he's made it quite clear that he considers that his and his brother's time commitments make it so they are "unable" to contribute. If he's actively looking for paid work then I think it's a different story but the impression that he's giving is that him and his brother just plain cannot work because they have other poo poo to do. The same is true for their mother though, hence the question. To me it seems like he made it clear he's unable to contribute because he has no income, not because they have other poo poo to do that's more important, like jerking off to hentai all day long. He has an internship, which from other threads you can learn means "be our slave for a while doing poo poo work not related to your field for no pay to maybe get a real job. Capitalism, bitch." Maybe that blog is a means to supplement income; he certainly wouldn't be the only one making money off AdSense. An internship can literally be like a job. So unless you want him to work a regular job (which doesn't pay him) AND get another one (which he will probably not be able to find for a while) JUST SO he can not get screamed at by his mom, I don't really know what you want. \/\/\/ Yeah but by the same token, Danny's not going to want to turn it off politely if he hears "What was that? WAS THAT TWO WOMEN...... KISSING EACH OTHER?! Danny. Don't you KNOW homosexuality is a SIN? What is wrong with you? Why do you have to watch such filth in our home? Turn it off, RIGHT NOW!!! Jesus SAVE this child!" Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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Yeah but by the same token, Danny's not going to want to turn it off politely if he hears "What was that? WAS THAT TWO WOMEN...... KISSING EACH OTHER?! Danny. Don't you KNOW homosexuality is a SIN? What is wrong with you? Why do you have to watch such filth in our home? Turn it off, RIGHT NOW!!! Jesus SAVE this child!" I don't get the feeling the exchange started with "Oops! Danny, you know the rules, I saw that scene and I'd like it if you turned that show off, now, please." Plus you're conflating Danny's actions with the OP's, which isn't fair. All OP was doing was blogging on his computer in his room.
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:So they get to match grouch for grouch? They get to escalate things because mom yelled? They are living there by the good graces of the parents. The parents don't *have* to let them stay there. So, the escalation was Danny refusing to turn the TV off? Maybe all he wanted was a more polite sentence out of the mom. Either way, in the situation of Danny refusing to turn the TV off resulting in the mom chasing him around the house, presumably trying to hit him (what else does "started getting violent, dad had to hold her back, I had to threaten to call the cops" mean?), I'd say the mom is the one that escalated the situation way out of proportion. Who's matching grouch for grouch? OP just doesn't want his poo poo smashed and thrown away. Danny just wanted to finish the rest of the show which was presumably done with the lesbian scenes. I don't agree with the 'living there with the good graces of parents' poo poo either. They brought him into the world, they don't get to just go "Nope you're 18 now, ALL FAMILY OBLIGATIONS ARE SEVERED BEEP BOOP." They are a family, they don't need a reason to live with each other beyond just wanting to help each other out. Parents supporting kids going through school/interning is a totally normal thing and it doesn't make OP subject to justified abuse. At some point the parents will be old and it will be just as lovely for the kid to go "Nah, I'm an adult and I don't have to take care of you because you'll be a drain on my resources." quote:And no I'm conflating the brother with the OP. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:complaining about the rules after the fact and being little bitches about it doesn't make them look good. It seems to me OP was rightfully complaining about the overreaction, and everyone started calling him a lazy rear end. That particularly made me think that by Danny not turning off the TV, you said they were being bitches and arguing about the rules. If I misunderstood, sorry. almightyerin posted:What exactly is stopping you from getting a part time job during the hours you're not doing intern stuff? Or your brother for that matter? Or are you too good to answer phones at Domino's from 5-8? Ooh, I worked at a Domino's, management no less, let me explain! First, Domino's won't hire you just to work from 5-8. If literally all you can work is 5-8, we'll PROBABLY go with another hire. I'm not saying only working the 5-8 rush shift as an insider never happens, but it isn't the norm unless it's a ridiculously busy store. For reference, I worked at a store in suburbia, did brisk business, about $3000-$5000 a day, depending on various poo poo like is it the weekend or whatever. My store was the busiest store out of 15 in the San Diego North county area, except the stores on base. When I say busy store, I mean a store on Camp Pendleton that goes through $20k a day easy. There aren't that many of those. If you say you're a college graduate and an intern, you're definitely not getting hired. Sorry! We're not training you just so you can only work 5-8 and then jump ship when you get a better job or your internship is over. Domino's doesn't hire people to just answer phones, you have to be fully trained in pizza making, oven tending, phones, the whole shebang. It's not worth it to hire someone we know will leave soon. The 5-8 rush is the busiest time, so you might get hired as a high school kid making no money at all to work those hours. Seriously, 3 hours a day, minus taxes, in CA you'd maybe be clearing $140 a week if you worked 6 days a week. That's not really as much as it sounds like it is. The cost of living here makes that amount pretty paltry, actually. CA has a comfortable $8.50 minimum wage, by the way. So depending on where you live you might only be getting $7.25, the federal minimum wage. If your three available hours a day aren't 5-8? gently caress off, we don't need people to work for just a few hours any time but the dinner rush. Also, I know this might not be the norm, but the way Domino's schedules, if you start at 5 and end at 8, but it's still busy at 8, you're not leaving. Sorry, dude. You're staying until it's not busy anymore, usually more like 8:30 or 9, and sometimes, for a special occasion like the Superbowl or Halloween, you're stuck until 10 or even later. Don't like it? See ya later, we've got a stack of applications. What I said applies to literally 95% of similar jobs. In a nutshell, yes, OP is too good to be answering phones, and that's management's perspective, totally regardless of what OP thinks. "A college grad and interning. Nah, he'll definitely be outta here soon, where's that 19 year old with a kid on the way I know I can work 8 hours a day 6 days a week with total impunity who won't ever say peep to me?" OP: you're in a lovely situation. You know you need to move out, but you can't afford it. I'd give as much as you can (prioritized by how valuable the stuff is to you) to a friend you trust to hold on to. I know I'd hold on to a bunch of boxes for a friend of mine. If it was a good friend he could even keep them with me indefinitely as long as it wasn't a ton of stuff. I'd avoid renting storage because if you aren't in a stable financial situation you could lose all your poo poo a la Storage Wars if you aren't able to pay up one month in the future. Plus it'd be a large drain on finances by itself. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:Are all of you guys missing the part where she "gets violent"? Nah dude, OP's spending all his time blogging and buying comics, while his brother watches hardcore lesbian porn in the family room, while the mom breaks her back to cook, clean, support the family, go to school, and otherwise be a total image of virtuous Christianity. She gets to blow of some steam every once in a while! (I know I already said it but drat I feel sorry for any gay kids the mom will teach. People that religious have a hard time keeping it out of the classroom.)
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almightyerin posted:Good lord I picked a name out of the air. Substitute Papa Johns for Dominos, whatever. My whole point was that there are part time flexible jobs that you can get as a second job. And yes, actually, Dominos will hire you for just the volume shift, albeit as a driver usually. You caught me, the driving is where the money is at and you'll definitely be able to just work the rush. Not every day though, that's a shift the drivers all want. Also, the norm at Domino's now is to kick drivers out as soon as the hit their minimum two hours. A lot of the time it's not worth it all to come to work if it isn't a day like Thursday/Friday/Saturday. As someone working 5-8, you're also not getting 6 days a week. BUT quote:What I said applies to literally 95% of similar jobs. You will not get hired for a minimum wage job to work only for a few hours a day as a college graduate and an intern. You might get lucky, but they literally have a stack of applications in the office from people that they can work to the bone and will be stuck there for a while. If you think corporate policy and procedure varies greatly between Domino's, Papa John's, McDonald's, or even the local pizza store, you're plain wrong. There do exist flexible part time jobs, sure, but they are few and far between and have a line of applicants out the door. There are tons more people looking for work than there are jobs available right now, and that's simply an economic fact regardless of your personal beliefs.
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Alright. That's reasonable sounding then. The dad holding her back and OP having to threaten to call the police makes it worse than just grabbing at a phone even if that's all that was intended on the mom's part. Some clarification would still be good. Clarity on the whole situation would be good, because the lawyer in me wants to say "OP said it escalated and then Danny insulted her, which is vague and we don't know if an insult was a reasonable response because we don't know what the mom said/did - also 'starts getting violent' would imply worse behavior than what she was already doing; grabbing for the phone," but I recognize that as being pointlessly pedantic since we don't really know what happened all too well. Maybe OP doesn't either since he was in his room? I just felt the need to defend the OP because everyone else was ganging up on him and defending the mom who didn't really do anything admirable, either. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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jabby posted:You are completely missing the fact that being a whiny bitch has zero chance of improving this situation. No-one is saying its fair that the OP has to respect these ridiculous rules, they are just saying that he should because he has exactly zero bargaining power here. Of course complaining about it has zero chance of improving anything. He was also asking for options though. Plus people were pretty much going "Aw, those poor parents! Look at what those loving cheeto encrusted goons have done to them to make them act like this! You lazy gently caress, get off your rear end and contribute because school and internships pale beside your comic book collection!" It was so ridiculous I had to say something. jabby posted:You do. Just like your parents have the right to control what is kept in their house. So if you want to store your forbidden media somewhere else then do so, but you can't force your parents to let you keep it in their house. Yeah, honestly, I learned to hide my weed around my parents and never got caught. If I can do it with a smelly herb you can do it with a movie. Your brother should learn to avoid the situation by not consuming ANY media around them, that way if two girls touch on the TV and you weren't expecting it, mom won't have anything to say because she won't be around. It sounds like your parents grudgingly acknowledge a 'truce' so just take advantage of that to interact as necessary with them and stay the gently caress away while doing leisure activities. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jan 31, 2013 |
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:Your second point is all the other goons were trying to say. The "poor parents" posts are mostly to shock the OP into looking at the argument from their perspective. Hm, maybe. I guess I didn't see it that way.
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