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HardDisk posted:First of all, thanks HiroProtagonist for making this thread, knowing how to use LinkedIn looks like it is a great boon to your career, and with a very good OP to boot. You may be over-thinking this. I don't know what your field is but within a day of joining groups on LinkedIn, I've seen a dozen overseas jobs posted.
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LinkedIn actually allows for multiple language versions of resumes, try that out. Also, as for your second question, that all depends on which foreign country and what job function you're looking for... it's not like all non-US hiring is centralized. edit: Misread, but point about each country being distinct is still valid
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What's the proper etiquette for sending a connect request to someone on LinkedIn who I don't know but I have a mutual connection with? I found an employee at a local company that I'm interested in working for and I'm not a coworker, friend, etc. of hers. Should I send her a message first before I send a connect request? Or just fake it and list her as a friend?
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I just selected friend and added whatever message. They'll more likely than not accept it.
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SaltLick posted:I just selected friend and added whatever message. They'll more likely than not accept it. I tried this and she accepted, thanks.
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I recently entered into a business partnership that's more-or-less part time, but I'm still very much actively looking for a full-time, "career" type job. How should I make this clear on my profile?
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I don't know that you need to or even should try to make it clear you're looking for a job. From my experience, recruiters are looking for the most qualified candidates and don't care if they already have a full time job. Trying to passively promote the fact that you're only working part time is just going to seem like you aren't able to hold down a full time job. Per the advice in this thread, it works better to contact recruiters directly/privately and let them know you're looking.
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Thanks for this thread and all the great advice posted so far. Regarding the title line that shows up in search, currently I have my "ROLE with COMPANY" listed there but I am looking to take my newly minted bachelors degree into a completely new and unrelated job. Should I change my title line to something that reflects my education? B.B.A. in Economics @ MTSU for those following along at home.
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I'm not sure how, but two people that actually work in the stairmaking industry (in a factory right right down the road from me) and are not from SA are in the group now. That's kind of hilarious. Edit: three. Matlock fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Feb 22, 2013 |
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Matlock posted:I'm not sure how, but two people that actually work in the stairmaking industry (in a factory right right down the road from me) and are not from SA are in the group now. That's kind of hilarious. I saw that. Time to fill the discussion board with horrible, incomprehensible, terrifying conversations 
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I can tell you how, because there was no verification on my part that the requests were actually coming from goons. Just figured that if you make a request you're a goon since SA is the only place I've ever posted the link. Hell I thought I had it set to not even show in searches, so unless those stairmaking professionals click on the link in some goon's profile, or got the link by some other means, I don't think they could find it 
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I've got a question about recruitment agencies, basically how shady can they be? I had one contact me off of my profile on LinkedIn, set up an appointment to meet with them, and they want my resume in Word format. I don't like that format since it's more easily editable than other formats. My gut feeling says to cancel the appointment, but my gut gets me into trouble more often than not. Does anyone else have experience with the shadier recruiters, or tips they can share?
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I had no idea that was actually a thing. I wonder if they saw the Stairmasters group and got all excited about networking with other stair making professionals? edit: I wouldn't worry about submitting a resume in Word format. Even if they do edit it, what could they possibly do with it? TouchyMcFeely fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Feb 22, 2013 |
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KariOhki posted:I've got a question about recruitment agencies, basically how shady can they be? I had one contact me off of my profile on LinkedIn, set up an appointment to meet with them, and they want my resume in Word format. I don't like that format since it's more easily editable than other formats. My gut feeling says to cancel the appointment, but my gut gets me into trouble more often than not. Does anyone else have experience with the shadier recruiters, or tips they can share? I think this post from earlier applies here: HiroProtagonist posted:There's some good advice here. After you're initially contacted by a recruiter and they get you on the phone, it's absolutely worth asking if their recruiting agency is under contract to a client. Usually, a company sourcing for high-value or a large number of positions will contract one or more recruiting agencies to help fill the opening(s). The non-contract recruiters are likely the ones who are gonna screw with your .doc resume. If the recruiter is working for the employer, obviously they don't gain anything by sending them people who aren't a good fit for the job.
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sim posted:I don't know that you need to or even should try to make it clear you're looking for a job. From my experience, recruiters are looking for the most qualified candidates and don't care if they already have a full time job. Trying to passively promote the fact that you're only working part time is just going to seem like you aren't able to hold down a full time job. Per the advice in this thread, it works better to contact recruiters directly/privately and let them know you're looking. Cool. Should I be concerned at all about giving the appearance that I'm looking for a job immediately after landing one? I don't want to give the impression that I'm some ruthless merc. Do you figure that's something I can just explain once in contact, or is there another technique I could use to mitigate that image?
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kathmandu posted:The non-contract recruiters are likely the ones who are gonna screw with your .doc resume. If the recruiter is working for the employer, obviously they don't gain anything by sending them people who aren't a good fit for the job. We had the first phone call this morning, so I wasn't able to ask them then. Might as well ask in the email reply they want me to send. It's Workbridge Associates, if that tells you anything -- they seem to be the bottom of the barrel. Then again I do want to get myself out of retail...
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KariOhki posted:We had the first phone call this morning, so I wasn't able to ask them then. Might as well ask in the email reply they want me to send. It's Workbridge Associates, if that tells you anything -- they seem to be the bottom of the barrel. Then again I do want to get myself out of retail... The worst case scenario, I suppose, is they set you up with an interview for a job you're not qualified for. 
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I wouldn't worry about sending it in word format. Pretty much what they do is delete your personal information and replace it wit their agencies info. Depending on the position you are gunning for If you get hired you are technically an employee of the agency that's contracted out to whomever. Right now I'm more or less a full time permanent temp worker.
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SaltLick posted:I wouldn't worry about sending it in word format. Pretty much what they do is delete your personal information and replace it wit their agencies info. Depending on the position you are gunning for If you get hired you are technically an employee of the agency that's contracted out to whomever. Right now I'm more or less a full time permanent temp worker. I forget where I saw the thread, but I read something on here a couple months ago about unscrupulous headhunters taking the .doc resumes of programmers and putting languages and qualifications the candidate in no way had into their resume. It had something to do with the headhunter getting paid by the referral/interview as opposed to getting paid for actually sending qualified candidates. From what I gather, it's not a common problem, but it does happen.
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Couple questions: How do you find recruiters? Second, how do you handle making 3rd degree connections, what's the best way to phrase the request?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Couple questions: How do you find recruiters? They find you.
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Thoguh posted:They find you.
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ProFootballGuy posted:Yes, but to expand a bit more: make connections with other people in your industry, with similar jobs or the job you want to have. Figure out what keywords appear a lot. You can also look at some job descriptions/openings on company websites and include the keywords listed in the job descriptions. Once you have a critical mass of 2nd and 3rd degree connections, the recruiter spam floodgates will open. This guy read the OP. Stultus Maximus posted:Couple questions: How do you find recruiters? You should read the OP.  No seriously, there's a ton of info in there and my suggestions for doing just that. Most connections you'll be making are going to be 3rd degree, it's the nature of how exponential growth works. kathmandu posted:I forget where I saw the thread, but I read something on here a couple months ago about unscrupulous headhunters taking the .doc resumes of programmers and putting languages and qualifications the candidate in no way had into their resume. It had something to do with the headhunter getting paid by the referral/interview as opposed to getting paid for actually sending qualified candidates. From what I gather, it's not a common problem, but it does happen. Haven't heard about this myself, but I wouldn't put it past anyone. However, this is probably more likely in a bullish (i.e. growth) economy, and if I had to guess I'd suspect that this idea comes from the late 90's. In the current economic climate, I don't think you'll have to worry about that sort of thing. Recruiters are happy enough to fill the jobs that are available. Outside of any specific circumstances, they don't need to deal with placing an oversupply of underqualified people. Note that my experience comes from a major metropolitan area. It's quite possible for that not to be the case elsewhere (at least within the continental US). Point is though, don't assume any malicious intent if you don't have any obvious reason to. SaltLick posted:I wouldn't worry about sending it in word format. Pretty much what they do is delete your personal information and replace it wit their agencies info. Depending on the position you are gunning for If you get hired you are technically an employee of the agency that's contracted out to whomever. Right now I'm more or less a full time permanent temp worker. Absolutely right; this is in my experience the only real reason any recruiter wants your resume in .doc. This is a Good Thing (tm). It means they're putting their corporate header on your resume to send to a client. KariOhki posted:I've got a question about recruitment agencies, basically how shady can they be? I had one contact me off of my profile on LinkedIn, set up an appointment to meet with them, and they want my resume in Word format. I don't like that format since it's more easily editable than other formats. My gut feeling says to cancel the appointment, but my gut gets me into trouble more often than not. Does anyone else have experience with the shadier recruiters, or tips they can share? See the above; wrote it for you primarily. zmcnulty posted:I can tell you how, because there was no verification on my part that the requests were actually coming from goons. Just figured that if you make a request you're a goon since SA is the only place I've ever posted the link. Matlock posted:I'm not sure how, but two people that actually work in the stairmaking industry (in a factory right right down the road from me) and are not from SA are in the group now. That's kind of hilarious. I was going to clear out the group of these few people, because it doesn't benefit SA or these innocent professionals to be in this group. Just to clarify:  If anyone is an SA member and legitimately involved in the stair(-manufacturing) industry, please PM or email me some time this weekend (contact info in the OP)and let me know. If you get purged accidentally, just re-apply and I'll re-add you. Sorry in advance to anyone affected; making sure groups are relevant is a big part of what makes Linkedin a successful job-hunting method. Also, the longer they bystanders are in the group, the less effective the group visibility settings are, and the more likely we're going to see more of that happening. This is because any 1st degree connection can see all of the groups that connection is in, which bypasses the search restrictions.
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The only guys I know of are all employed by L.J. Smith. I drive past that place every day. Perhaps for Goon Tradition, I should take a picture of their building 
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kathmandu posted:The worst case scenario, I suppose, is they set you up with an interview for a job you're not qualified for. Looks like I missed the discussions about recruiters – But I wanted to add that this is not the worst that can happen. You need to tell all recruiters flat out NOT to send your resume to any company without your prior consent, preferably in writing. Especially when you are working with multiple recruiters. I always write that in the email when I send the resume. It all comes down to the way these recruiters are paid. They get money if they’re the first person to send your resume to the company. There are some less reputable recruiters who will just shotgun your resume out for any position for which you’re even remotely qualified. You don’t realize it at the time, but it can be a problem later on. Let’s say you’re at an event and meet a friend’s mom who happens to be looking for someone to hire for your dream job. She invites you in for an interview and it goes great. Then you get a call a few days later saying they can’t hire you because you ‘already applied’ and they aren’t willing to pay a recruiter’s commission for that position. That recruiter didn’t do any work for you, but they just screwed you out of a great job.
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Great thread. LI has been a great tool for me. Additional thoughts: - Use the custom URL tool: it's really helpful to have something non-generic in the URL. - Put a picture up that looks professional. People respond better. - It's a social networking tool - be socialable; it's not Facebook. Here's my LI profile for review/critique: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnmahercsm/ Request submitted to Stairmasters group. There is also the Ticketmaster's group, but that's more specific to SH/SC and hasn't been active in over a year: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=3663887 Feral Bueller fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Mar 16, 2013 |
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I've taken some of the great advice in this thread and am starting to see results. Over the past week I have added ~40 new connections, and now I'm starting to build momentum. A few recruiters have contacted me, and I am in the early stages of interviewing for a new job. One of the best things for exposure was joining new groups and actually participating in them. Got a lot of profile views/connections that way. Thanks again for making this thread!
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I found a position that is really up my alley. With no connections there, I found a contract recruiter for the company and just sent them an invitation noting I was interested in the company and current opportunities. The job was initially posted on 12/15 but is still up and I'm getting antsy. Should I directly apply while waiting for the recruiter? I feel like the recruiter may not like that because they might not be able to say they discovered me. Cool my jets and wait a couple days, if no response then apply direct?
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If it's a contract recruiter, they'll dump you if they know you've already applied. Applying directly means the company doesn't have to pay a commission if they hire you. It's cheaper for them, gives you a better stance for negotiation, and it's more likely that they'll hire you over someone else if they're considering you and a contract-recruiter person. But.. You have to go through the usual HR hoops and potentially get screened out before a human looks at your resume. Recruiters get your resume seen.
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HiroProtagonist posted:It depends on the industry you're in. Can you elaborate? Education. To be specific, I'm looking for jobs in libraries. It doesn't help that even when I look for connections locally, I've had a lot of trouble finding contacts in my field because most of the people I've worked with don't use LinkedIn.
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My wife made a funny comment today addressing the fact that I am addicted to LinkedIn, more or less. I've got some job stability issues (operating conditions, not job performance), so I've been browsing jobs, making connections with peers (coworkers and kids I went to school with) and what not. I'm really impressed with the functionality of the site. Not only have I applied for a few posted jobs on the site, but I have been reached out to by a recruiter or two---went through the process, and was told I was the number one candidate before the posting was closed due to budgetary concerns (ugh). I'm really excited by the opportunities presented here. One question I do have---I applied for ONE job through LinkedIn rather than through the company's website. My wife, who works (loosely defined) as a 3rd party employment expert believes that was a bad move. I didn't think much of it, myself, as I've got a peer (IRL) who works for the company that I've already reached out to for thoughts on the job. Any thoughts here? Dead Pressed fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Feb 25, 2013 |
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econdroidbot posted:I've taken some of the great advice in this thread and am starting to see results. Over the past week I have added ~40 new connections, and now I'm starting to build momentum. A few recruiters have contacted me, and I am in the early stages of interviewing for a new job. One of the best things for exposure was joining new groups and actually participating in them. Got a lot of profile views/connections that way. I'm glad to see posts like this. Would you mind if I added this testimonial to the OP? I'm planning on having a section devoted to them, much like similar threads. Crazyweasel posted:I found a position that is really up my alley. Get in touch with the recruiter personally via email about this specific opportunity; if they don't respond within a week, tops, then go ahead and apply directly. It's better if you call the recruiter too. You might get caught in a call screen, but it's better than hanging around for an email reply. The attitude you should have is "it's the recruiter's job to propose me for this position; if they're not getting the job done, then it's my responsibility to do what I can in my own best interests." Crazyweasel posted:The company is small enough to be a direct e-mail application procedure, so if the only bonus is being seen then I'm not sure if I using a recruiter would be worthwhile. Honestly, direct email applications are worthless. The best way to get a job offer is always going to be to make personal connections. You need to speak to real people, whether via email or phone, or you might as well be throwing darts blindfolded. You'll have no way to get feedback otherwise.
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Dead Pressed posted:One question I do have---I applied for ONE job through LinkedIn rather than through the company's website. My wife, who works (loosely defined) as a 3rd party employment expert believes that was a bad move. I didn't think much of it, myself. Any thoughts here? Not sure what you mean here. The only job applications available through Linkedin go directly to a corporate site for those types of things. Do you mean as opposed to going through a recruiter?
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HiroProtagonist posted:Not sure what you mean here. The only job applications available through Linkedin go directly to a corporate site for those types of things. Do you mean as opposed to going through a recruiter? No. It was interesting, really. The posting went through Linkedin, then through simplyhired (never heard of it), which interfaced with their website. Much of my information was automatically pulled from the LinkedIn account, I just had to upload the resume and cover letter. Like I said, I wasn't really worried, but my wife is afraid they could tell I went through LinkedIn as opposed to their direct website. I figured I'd go through LinkedIn just to get their link a hit to show the efficacy of the site. :dunno: Any way you slice it, I set up and account on their site, so I figured 6 one way, 1/2 dozen the other... Just wanted to make sure I wasn't off my rocker...
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HiroProtagonist posted:I'm glad to see posts like this. Would you mind if I added this testimonial to the OP? I'm planning on having a section devoted to them, much like similar threads. Go right ahead! Thanks to this thread my goal of a new job by April 1st seems reasonable.
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OP This thread has been such a boon for me! This is really the first time I've felt empowered during my job hunt. So far I have completely revamped my profile and sent a few connect requests. I am trying to get to 100% completion as soon as possible. Is there anything wrong with picking recruits by what city they are listed in? I am basically looking for a change in scenery and I want to limit my opportunities to only big cities. So far I search "recruit" in a group's member list and then I only send connections to recruiters in cities I would like to live in.
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HiroProtagonist posted:I wouldn't be worried. Applying via one automated method often works out to be the same as if you applied via another automated method. I wouldn't be worried either, as long as the info on your linkedin is correct it is what your resume would look like after a "recruiter" has fed it into their system.
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