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It will keep you from being in the profile complete range. I've seen some people upload logos instead of pictures. I'm not sure how that looks to anyone interacting with you professionally though.
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Only having 20 connections means that your network is very tiny. You won't be able to email anyone that you search for. I have every recruiter in this part of the state as a contact so that I have ideally email anyone that's ever talked to a recruiter.
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Feb 13, 2013 18:49
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If it's a contract recruiter, they'll dump you if they know you've already applied. Applying directly means the company doesn't have to pay a commission if they hire you. It's cheaper for them, gives you a better stance for negotiation, and it's more likely that they'll hire you over someone else if they're considering you and a contract-recruiter person. But.. You have to go through the usual HR hoops and potentially get screened out before a human looks at your resume. Recruiters get your resume seen.
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Feb 25, 2013 00:34
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I've never found recruiters or headhunters to be particularly good with keeping appointments. They're in a numbers game for "sales," not a customer service role.
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Feb 28, 2013 02:33
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No one reads the connection messages. I always Approve contacts from my email so I never see them.
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Feb 28, 2013 04:04
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Defenestration posted:If anyone is curious the character limit on connection request messages is about 300. I tried to send one to the director at another publishing company and I was ~400 characters over the limit on a 115 word message My email client just shows me "Bob Smith has requested to connect with you! Click HERE to accept" To actually see their message, I have to go through a bunch of hoops. I always just Accept and let them message me again if it's about anything important. Similarly, I usually type a low effort connection request and, after I got accepted, send them my full message.
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Mar 3, 2013 20:43
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'With sufficient motivation, Bob has the potential to be an accomplished worker" ie backhanded compliment. Alternatively, just ignore it or don't friend horrible people.
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Mar 4, 2013 00:52
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How is it degrading the quality of your network? It doesn't exclude you from anything. It's not like you miss out on anything because of having more connections. I guess your feed gets busier but I dont think anyone uses that anyway. I started out with 40 connections and barely ever got any profile views, random messages, etc. I invited every recruiter in my metro area and got up to 200 connections. I now get a profile view every few days with occasional invite requests. Also, I can pretty much message anyone in my area within my field since they're almost assured to be a second degree connection.
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Mar 8, 2013 04:01
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Thoguh posted:But you get absolutely zero utility from it. Here's a scenario for you. You are looking for a job somewhere and you notice a second level connection that you'd like to get in touch with to help you out. Your scenarios assume that the only reason someone would talk to you on a professional networking site is because you share a similar connection. If the person you want to contact is on a social networking site, it probably means they are willing to socially network. If the ONLY reason someone would talk to you is because you know their friend, you're not marketing yourself properly. Every "cold call" message I send out is short, courteous, and professional. Most of the time, I get a response. The advantage LinkedIn has over email is that it allows a global aggregation of professionals in a way that lets you sort them by company, location, etc. People are more likely to respond to LinkedIn over email because they can quickly determine who and what you are by just hovering over your name.
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Mar 8, 2013 16:46
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I would like to add you to my LinkedIn network. As long as your profile shows you to be a relevant connection, I cant imagine them turning you down.
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Mar 11, 2013 17:24
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PrivateEyeball posted:Nobody reads the invite messages. This is a fact. I usually accept people then wait for them to message me. If I am wanting to connect with someone, I will modify the generic invite message in case they DO read it but follow up with an actual message afterwards.
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Mar 11, 2013 22:41
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Join a dozen professional groups that hit your fancy, spam invite some recruiters to build a network. Join the local "networking" groups for your area. Do the same. I'm at about about 200 connections and am a second degree connection with almost anyone that I'd want to connect with for actual job crap.
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Mar 19, 2013 20:01
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I would reduce the  of your summary a bit. It's good information; however, it takes a bit of effort to see the good bits. A lot (most) people don't want to read an essay. Have you ever heard of an "elevator speech"? The idea is that it is a ~30 second self-description that you could give to a Very Important Person over the course of an elevator ride. You should have that re-planned and memorized. It's generally used as your opening question answer for your job interviews. That should be your summary. Also, I would throw a ton of keywords into your skills section. I think you can fit 40 in there. That's like loading metadata into a webpage for search engines...except with linkedin searches.
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Mar 27, 2013 13:21
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Using a 3rd party recruiter: PRO: more likely to get interview CON: hiring you is more expensive as the company in question will have to pay a (large) finder's fee. This means that they might lowball your salary or hire someone else over you. Applying online: PRO: no finders fee paid CON: you are firing your resume into a blank hole of nothingness where thousands of other people may have already poo poo their woefully underqualified resume hoping for a bite. There is a good chance your resume will not be looked at simply due to the volume of submissions.
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Apr 2, 2013 23:24
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Sarcasmatron posted:The finder's fee paid is generally a percentage of your base salary, so the recruiter is motivated to get you the highest base possible. Yeah, that's totally true. I've had a less than stellar experience with recruiters. They got me one really high dollar job offer then acted extremely unprofessional towards me when I decided to turn it down.
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Apr 4, 2013 13:42
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Pug posted:Which recruiting firms were these? Bradley Morris. I was working nightshift as an electrical tech at the time. Two of them kept calling me every hour on the hour despite me saying "I AM ON NIGHT SHIFT SO PLEASE DO NOT CALL ME! I AM SLEEPING!" I was on call so I couldn't turn my phone off either. After the 4th hour of this, I told them that the reason I got a high dollar offer was because my job involves working on deadly high voltage equipment and that if I go into work and make a mistake because I am tired, I could be killed. There may have been a significant amount of profanity in there too. They stopped calling after that. I never used them again and ended up going back to school.
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Apr 4, 2013 23:54
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Julio Cesar Fatass posted:I had a sinking feeling that these outfits were bad, but I didn't know they were that bad. Has anyone had any success working with guys like this? Yeah. They throw everyones resume against a ton of positions and see what sticks. That being said, I got site visit offers from the majority of interviews they sent me to even though the overwhelming majority of jobs I was interviewing for did not meet my minimum criteria. "Must be located within x miles of city in y region. Must be minimum z salary. Absolutely no rotating shiftwork." "Ok, this job is x+200 miles away from city in !y region and is offering z-$10,000 salary! Oh, it's rotating shiftwork too by the way hope that's ok wait what do you mean you're not going on the site visit!!!"
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Apr 5, 2013 20:26
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They don't want you to apply on your own as then the headhunter would not get paid.
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Apr 5, 2013 21:44
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I'll tell you why you wouldnt apply online. /**ANECDOTE ALERT**/ I talked to the hiring manager for the utility plant I applied to an internship at during a job fair at my college. She said I should've applied for an internship based on my resume and skills but that they'd already selected the interns for this year. I told her that I did, in fact, apply. There was an awkward silence. "Oh, well we got about 1100 resumes submitted online and we were only looking for 20 candidates. Half of those selected were returning interns so don't feel bad!"
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Apr 6, 2013 03:22
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:LI's definition of a LION also says "Don't network with people you don't actually know." You can message one of them and develop a personal or professional relationship. It's not that hard. If you can write a coherent and compelling email, they'll probably respond. Hell, sometimes I have a random question about my field so I'll randomly message someone on my contacts list. Usually they'll respond. "Hey, I saw that you're the lead peanut taster for Peanut Co. I have a strong interest in the peanut tasting field and was wondering if you had any thoughts on getting certified as a honey roasted peanut taster. I would appreciate any feedback on that idea as I am very passionate about advancing my peanut tasting abilities" (I haven't had breakfast yet)
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Apr 11, 2013 12:28
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Considering that some days in class I'll spend an entire lecture inviting random people to connect, I don't think you can get banned for that. I've also never gotten locked out from inviting people.
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Apr 11, 2013 13:02
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salted hash browns posted:Really quickly, what is the reasoning for this again? It seems unlikely that I would ask a stranger for an in at his company, or ask a random person for an introduction to someone else. Actually, striking up a conversation with a random stranger is EXACTLY how you get an in with a company. "Oh, you like puppies? I like puppies too. I bet your company could benefit from more like-minded people like yourself, huh? We could raise the puppability index by 23%!"
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Aug 30, 2013 11:48
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It sometimes shows up in the top of your linkedin page to rate 4 random people for 4 random skills. Sometimes when I zone out, I'll blow through 40+ skill recommendations for people I know. I dont think anyone cares about that though.
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Sep 14, 2013 00:30
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I went to a seminar on social engineering/phishing. One of the speakers said that his dummy linkedin accounts have more endorsements than his real one. He pretty much joins a group then friends everyone in the group. After that, endorsements start rolling in. Once his profile looks good, he goes to work.
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Oct 30, 2013 01:20
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Mak0rz posted:So what's the best course of action then? Or does it even matter? I'm not exactly getting them from strangers, at least. Considering the bullshit nature of LinkedIn endorsements I'm assuming anyone who matters probably doesn't even bother with them? Endorsements dont matter. Dont worry about it. The speaker I was talking about works as a network penetration tester. He basically cons people into revealing things about their company online then uses that info to break in and steal information. He then writes a report on how he did it so the company can ideally fix the problem.
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Oct 30, 2013 03:25
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Doghouse posted:Whoa, you applied to 460 jobs? How long did that take you? I applied for about 200 over the span of 3 weeks when I was in panic mode about getting out of the military. 0 callbacks. I got the professional resume service and saw a lot better response.
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Dec 22, 2013 22:05
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Once you get further along in your career, you'll have more recruiters looking to keep in touch.
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Jan 3, 2014 01:11
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Whenever I get bored, I'll add a dozen or so recruiters in one go. They very rarely will reach out first. It's all a game of building connections. I have at least 250 connections I've never exchanged a single message with. Think of it less like friending someone and more like writing their name down in an address book. You have to message them first.
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Jan 18, 2014 16:55
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Hi, My name is KetTarma. I'm an aerospace engineering graduate that's interested in pursuing a career in engineering design. I'd love to talk to you some time about opportunities within your organization that I would be a good fit for. Best regards, KetTarma
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Jan 18, 2014 20:48
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ultrafilter posted:It's not a matter of having an agenda. It's a matter of having something to offer so that the meeting is mutually beneficial. That's how networking is supposed to work; it's not just you asking me for a job. Free coffee. Future minion.
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Jan 28, 2014 12:07
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Omne posted:Reposting as this got lost at the end of the last page Realistically, you're not going to see much interest with an out of state location to the job posting. Use a family members address if possible. It's very complicated to do what you're trying though.. Almost like a sitcom plot. You'll have to be able to travel for interviews on short notice and move on your own with no relocation. The alternative is hoping a company will be willing to fly you out for interviews and pay relocation costs. It requires a very particular skillet requirement for the job for them to be willing to do that, in my experience.
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Mar 28, 2014 13:20
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Tai-Pan posted:You have no work history and no industry. A lot of places won't hire you as an intern unless you're taking courses at a college. That being said, a lot of fields won't let you in unless you have completed an internship somewhere. Personally, I've never used groups as anything more than a Rolodex of people that I should message.
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quote:just something that can be done during your downtime. That is how I would pitch a legitimate new career.
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