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Count Roland posted:You already posted that up-thread. Is there some point you're trying to make? I forgot. Have some Dutch maps about their desire to annex some of Germany after WW2 instead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_annexation_of_German_territory_after_the_Second_World_War    
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SlothfulCobra posted:I forgot. I'm not going to say all of the decisions made about territory post 1945 were good, a lot (probably all of them) were terrible, but it just kinda strikes me as cute when I read about countries other than USA, UK and USSR making demands. No, you are not making demands of the people that just saved you from the Nazis
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Apr 21, 2024 18:53
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German territory without Germans? How are you going to do that? Oh, right. Demanding Cologne was probably a bit much, maybe they could have gotten a pity prize like Belgium after WWI.
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Apr 21, 2024 19:02
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Phlegmish posted:German territory without Germans? How are you going to do that? Oh, right. You mean Belgium got territory from Germany or do you mean the Dutch should've gotten Belgium as a prize?
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Apr 21, 2024 19:17
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The former, although the latter would have been fine by me.
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Apr 21, 2024 19:18
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Anything that ends the existence of Belgium isn't good. A completely superfluous country.
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Air Skwirl posted:I'm not going to say all of the decisions made about territory post 1945 were good, a lot (probably all of them) were terrible, but it just kinda strikes me as cute when I read about countries other than USA, UK and USSR making demands. No, you are not making demands of the people that just saved you from the Nazis
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Apr 21, 2024 19:34
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Phlegmish posted:German territory without Germans? How are you going to do that? Oh, right. I would imagine that 1946 Germans would be somewhat okay with a soft genocide where they just (more or less forcibly) learned Dutch and pretended they were always actually quite swampy.
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Apr 21, 2024 20:41
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BonHair posted:I would imagine that 1946 Germans would be somewhat okay with a soft genocide where they just (more or less forcibly) learned Dutch and pretended they were always actually quite swampy.
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Apr 21, 2024 21:31
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Let's just agree German unification was a mistake.
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Apr 21, 2024 21:54
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Germany should've been splintered into at least a dozen parts. Preferably a few hundred. Two Germanies was far too unified of a Germany. A Unified Germany is an inherent threat to the world.
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Apr 21, 2024 22:14
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Ok, Mr. Morgenthau
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A Buttery Pastry posted:On the other hand, the Netherlands already had a bunch of Low Saxon speakers. Assuming the Dutch could live with it, you could just go with the story of the Low Saxons having had their language and culture of peaceful trade (partially) destroyed by militaristic Prussians, early victims of German imperialism and (cultural) genocide. Basically one-upping the Austrians, and then claiming the Low Saxons are basically just not part of the Netherlands due to a fluke of history. Actually - yeah. Why not? 1945 was closer to the date of German unification than it is to today. I am pretty sure most people in the traditionally Low Saxon parts of the Netherlands speak Dutch in their daily lives at this point, but that probably wasn't the case in 1945. Having so many of them would make them more difficult to assimilate, but the idea isn't as insane as you might think. In practical terms, it was all one big dialect continuum until not even that long ago. FreudianSlippers posted:A Unified Germany is an inherent threat to the world. It seems insane now that people actually thought this back in 1990, but I guess they couldn't have predicted that German leadership would turn out to be completely useless and toothless.
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Negostrike posted:Ok, Mr. Morgenthau Kinks: Being reduced to a pastoral state (everything to do with it)
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Apr 21, 2024 22:28
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I have some family who love in the north western bit of the Rhineland and it is very similar to the Netherlands. The only reason most of these places are either Dutch or German is just based on which bishop or count happened to be in charge 500 years ago rather than a drastic difference in culture. Until as recently as 100 years ago the language in that region was pretty similar both sides off the border.
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BonHair posted:I would imagine that 1946 Germans would be somewhat okay with a soft genocide where they just (more or less forcibly) learned Dutch and pretended they were always actually quite swampy. IIRC, the Germans were to be expelled from the territory like they were from the regions that went to Poland, to prevent there from ever being a Sudetenland-style problem again.
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Apr 21, 2024 23:08
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Yeah, that's what it says on one of the posters, I wasn't paraphrasing. German territory without Germans.
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Phlegmish posted:German territory without Germans.
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Air Skwirl posted:Let's just agree French unification was a mistake.
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Apr 21, 2024 23:19
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An Ideal Germany: Anything more unified than this is not only a security risk but a moral failure.
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FreudianSlippers posted:An Ideal Germany: 
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FreudianSlippers posted:An Ideal Germany: can't agree with this
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Byzantine posted:can't agree with this Yeah I mean it says right there "Frank" reich. How is the land of Franks, a german tribe, not a rightful part of Germany? Throw in Britain, Denmark and Spain too, those are just mongrel yokel Germans. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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Visigoths...Lombards...the math checks out, Spain and Italy are Germany
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FreudianSlippers posted:An Ideal Germany: Do this to the entire world.
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Bongo Bill posted:Do this to the entire world. Yes. No country should have more than a million people in it.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Germany should've been splintered into at least a dozen parts. Preferably a few hundred. Two Germanies was far too unified of a Germany. Traditionally all the big European countries were threat to the world: (England, France, Spain, Italy, Russia, Ottomans, Austro-Hungary, Sweden...)
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Yes. England should be forcibly reverted to the Heptarchy. (Obviously).
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Apr 22, 2024 00:46
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I am not learning Danish. Danes can stay on the other side of the sea. We have our own unintelligble grunt language up here already thank you very much.
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The actual story of Alaska, and how they somehow got 600,000 or however many non-natives to settle there, is interesting enough.
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Also if you want "settle Jews in the middle of nowhere" ideas, you don't need fiction, since Birobidzhan is a thing.
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OddObserver posted:Also if you want "settle Jews in the middle of nowhere" ideas, you don't need fiction, since Birobidzhan is a thing. You do if you want there to actually be a significant number of Jews there though.
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Phlegmish posted:The actual story of Alaska, and how they somehow got 600,000 or however many non-natives to settle there, is interesting enough. yiddish policeman's union is technically a spinoff of the wire, though
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Phlegmish posted:The actual story of Alaska, and how they somehow got 600,000 or however many non-natives to settle there, is interesting enough. The story is gold and then later oil and to a lesser extent airplane refueling It is funny that each of the Canadian arctic provinces are all 30,000 people spread over a European country with 20,000 in one town and then Alaska has the absolutely massive by comparison 700,000 people just over the border
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Alaska got a ton of federal help in the middle of the twentieth century to build it up against the Soviet menace.
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Phlegmish posted:It seems insane now that people actually thought this back in 1990, but I guess they couldn't have predicted that German leadership would turn out to be completely useless and toothless. OwlFancier posted:I am not learning Danish. Danes can stay on the other side of the sea. We have our own unintelligble grunt language up here already thank you very much.
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Air Skwirl posted:I'm not going to say all of the decisions made about territory post 1945 were good, a lot (probably all of them) were terrible, but it just kinda strikes me as cute when I read about countries other than USA, UK and USSR making demands. No, you are not making demands of the people that just saved you from the Nazis The idea was to demand reparations for the damage nazi occupation brought to the occupied states. I recall there being a wild idea for territorial claims after WW1 which would have Belgium annex Dutch Limburg (the Netherlands being a neutral party) and be compensated for that by getting German lands. After WW2 some lands did get traded in compensation, but we gave it back after realising we couldn't actually afford to administer the gains. 
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