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Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Koramei posted:

The whole map projection argument feels a bit silly to me. It's bad that Europe is lended bias because of a projection incorrectly showing its relative size, sure, but you know what else is bad? Using relative geographic size as a measure for anything except which continent would come out on top if they were all turned into massive dinosaurs. Greenland may actually be smaller than South America, but you know, Bangladesh and Java together are also like a tenth of south America's size, yet they hold the same population. Are they less important because they're smaller? gently caress no. gently caress off. gently caress map projections.

(Also the correct answer is Antarctica because it can turn into a spinning-doom-circle-dinosaur. Asia would just like fall over, it barely has any legs)

It's really bad to use perceived continent size as a measure of relative worth/importance, but so long as the tendency for people exists, it makes sense to do something about it. Kids are dumb sometimes and could easily come to feel that Africa isn't as important as, say, Greenland, if every day they look at a map that shows Greenland as being way bigger than Africa.

Also Australia-dinosaur would have more mobility and a better center of balance, in addition to starting in an advantageous position :colbert: :australia:

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Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Peanut President posted:

"Other Responses" are amazing
3.349 Million "White"
11,945 "Appalachian"
9,681 "Acadian"
1.089 Million "Religious Response" does that mean they filled in the wrong box or what?

I know some people who would say "Jewish" or "Christian" to describe their ancestry. These people tend to have their faiths feature very strongly in their family histories, and can come from families who moved to America to attain more tolerance for their faith. Responses based on LDS-genealogy could also go into that category.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Reveilled posted:

I'm very curious as to the nationality of the person who drew it, thinking that the average American would know what a Belarus is nevermind identify it as the last dictatorship in Europe.

I don't see Belarus :confused: It looks like Belarus is in "COMMUNISM," which is just a Cold War joke.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

appropriatemetaphor posted:

The big swastika one is vaguely Belorussian in shape.

I thought that that was a humorously misshapen Germany, which has a way more obvious connection to the swastika.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011
I love the addition of an independent Jewish nation sincerely calling itself "Hebrewland." It sounds like a theme park that's never open on Saturdays due to a lack of employees. :jewish:

Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Sep 14, 2013

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011
I find it odd that Madagascar is introduced into the British Commonwealth of Nations, rather than the Union of African Republics.
Also, Iceland enters into the United States of America, rather than the United States of Europe. I could have sworn that Iceland was European, but v:v:v

Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Sep 15, 2013

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Trench_Rat posted:

what is the spot in the middle of spain?

Madrid.

Soviet Commubot posted:

What exactly is going on in northern Italy? Do they burn tires for warmth or something?

If you ask someone raised in southern Italy? Yes.

I can't really tell how the pollution map differs strongly from a heavily exaggerated population density map.

Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Sep 15, 2013

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Fojar38 posted:

What's Norway's reason for being so negatively viewed then?

The 2011 terrorist attacks produced a lot of articles with very negative language.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Killer robot posted:

Mostly, though there are edge cases due to every state's number of representatives being an integer. Big states regress toward the mean of around 700,000 people per representative, small states can have districts ranging from 350,000 to just short of a million, and this can skew numbers one way or the other. Beyond even that, having a small number makes the skew easier. A state with 2 or 3 representatives, districts drawn by blindly neutral population map, and 2/3 of its voters going to one party might have all of its representatives go that direction: if you wanted that not to happen you might have to deliberately gerrymander to make sure the minority party gets a chance at representation at all. And if it has 2 representatives and a 1/1 split, the majority party is now under-represented: you can't really win. A state with 30 representatives and the other factors all the same makes that a whole lot less likely, and makes proportional representation easier either deliberately or by accident.

Mostly it's that gerrymandering for political gain by whoever is drawing the maps is a genuine thing, but states and especially small states are hard to get proportionate representation to due to rounding errors. Given a good number of relatively small red states, it wouldn't be terribly surprising if this explains some.

The solution to this is clearly weighting the votes of various representatives. A representative of a district with 700,000 people could have exactly twice the voting power as one of a district of only 350,000 people!

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Budzilla posted:

This should have been posted in the OP. PNAC redrawing of the ME.



I wonder what made them decide on that particular allocation of the Kashmir Region.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Fuschia tude posted:

Possibly an interesting idea -- has anyone ever proposed apportioning house districts based on population alone? A lot of these districts abut fairly awkwardly against the state borders. I assume two people just on either side of a state border have more in common than with the people in their respective state capitals.

Of course that would probably mean people in, say, Wyoming would be divided among something like south Idaho, west Dakota, and north Colorado and Utah, but in general I'd think this might make a more equitable division of people, with representatives of actual geographic areas, rather than only subsets of states. With the way culture tends to accumulate according to number of people, I'd think these representatives' constituents might be more homogeneous than in the current system.

The really interesting part would be redistricting. Who would draw up districts if not state legislatures? The Feds? That could make it harder to gerrymander, compared to dominated state legislatures. At the same time, removing state borders removes the greatest limit on gerrymandering capabilities.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Emanuel Collective posted:

Iowa has a neutral legislative committe draw up maps, which the legislature can accept or reject. It seems to work quite well. None of Iowa's districts has a Cook PVI of more than 5 points for either party, which is remarkable.

What stops the dominating party from just refusing to accept any map that isn't pro-dominating party? There's clearly no longer a taboo on holding up government in order to obtain a political advantage.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

EvanSchenck posted:

That's the case at the federal level but not at the state level. As an Iowan, my sense is that the party that refused to accept the non-partisan reapportionment system would be punished by the electorate. In any case, Iowa might be home to some firebrands like Steve King but it's very close to 50-50 D:R, and the state-level parties are tend to be moderate. The main leader of the reactionary movement in Iowa is a guy named Bob Vander Plaats, and he's tried to run for governor three different times, each time getting stuffed in the primary by a more moderate candidate with better ties to the business establishment.

Oh, awesome. I can imagine that state politics would be way less prone to shutdown tactics, because of people feeling 'closer' to the politics/government, while also having a greater connection to their representatives as opposed to abstract parties. The Iowa system sounds really cool when that's taken into account.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Baloogan posted:

How the hell does "Jennifer" take over like that?

There was no big cause like a famous woman named Jennifer. It just sort of caught on as a trend which gained more momentum as Jennifer-density intensified.
County-by-county support for the top 25 NCAA football teams.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

jb7 posted:

I feel bad for the schools that aren't even the most popular in the counties in which they are located.

Northwestern has probably earned a pass, because its campus is in the same county as Chicago.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

stereobreadsticks posted:

Just like in the NFL map that was posted in hear a while back Montana needs to get its poo poo together.

Montana is very organized compared to Illinois, which just goes nuts once U of I goes out the window.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

DrSunshine posted:

By a further comparison, it's a drive of 3,370 miles at 65 hours from Kashgar, Xinjiang, China to Guangzhou, Guangdong, China. Which is roughly comparable to traveling from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada to Miami, Florida, USA, at a distance of 3,433 miles, 50 hours driving.

China... is big. :stare:

It's got nothing on Russia. From Sochi to Vladivostok is a 9977 km or 6199 mile drive taking 121 hours. That's more distance than driving from Montreal to Mexico City, and then from Mexico City back to Montreal, and then from Montreal to New York City (9878 km).

Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Oct 22, 2013

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Lycus posted:

I'm still waiting for some libertarian group to move to Bir Tawil, lay claim to it and try to start some casinos or something. Would love to see how that turned out.

The best case scenario for the libertarian group is that it becomes relatively prosperous. In which case it would immediately be invaded by both Egypt and Sudan.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Riptor posted:

Kentucky: Proud member of the European Union

Arizona: Much more Chinese than Mexican.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Riptor posted:

Yep, same reason Northwestern University is in Illinois

A map of America at the time of Northwestern's founding in 1851:



Northwestern was named after (and created to serve) the states of the former Northwest territory, which stopped existing in 1803.

Northwestern's history is really cool and I would do an effortpost on it if it was interesting to people other than me.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011
A relic "west" can also be found in Case Western University, shown below in this map of the top-ranked schools in the midwest.

UW-Wisconsin in Madison, U-of-I-Urbana-Champaign in Champaign-Urbana, Notre Dame in South Bend, UMich in Ann Arbor, and two universities in the Chicago area.

Northwestern University is located in the hyper-affluent North Shore of Illinois, which contains some of America's wealthiest communities. The University of Chicago is located in the south side of Chicago, essentially creating an artificial bubble of safety and affluent college kids surrounded by the crime and poverty for which the south side has a reputation across America.
A lot of the two current identities of the two schools can be traced back to their cooperations and conflicts with each other.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Vivian Darkbloom posted:



This one's politically-loaded because it makes me go on a rant about how Twin Peaks was too good for America.

I would love to visit the intersection of Big Love, South Park, Breaking Bad, and Medium. Maybe also The Office and The Wire.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Golbez posted:

You've got the name slightly wrong. It's Case Western Reserve University. Back before the Revolution, most of the thirteen colonies had "sea-to-sea grants", basically meaning they claimed everything to the west until you hit seawater. Almost all of the colonies surrendered these grants to the federal government upon entering the union, in exchange for the federal government taking on their war debt, and were left generally with their current forms. The only ones who didn't were Georgia (its grant was truncated later), Virginia (which was far larger than it is now, but still surrendered Northwest Territory, which was part of its sea-to-sea grant [and overlapped with several other colonies' sea-to-sea greants]), and Connecticut.

Connecticut's was interesting. They couldn't have a straight line, of course: Pennsylvania was in the way. This didn't stop them from continuing on the west side of Pennsylvania where they left off. And when they surrendered their grant to the federal government, they maintained one portion, which they called their "Western Reserve."

This is now the northeast sixth or so of Ohio.

Wikipedia told me that my usage was an acceptable shortening :( But this is history is really cool, thanks.

Golbez posted:

I made this map. :shobon:

That's awesome! Thank you! I can see you've made a lot of maps - do you work in history/cartography or do you just enjoy being incredibly useful?

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Rincewind posted:

Doesn't Nebraska or somewhere already assign its electors proportionally?

Maine and Nebraska partially divide their votes on the district level. For example, in 2008 John McCain won 2 of Nebraska's electoral votes because he won the popular vote in Nebraska, and 2 more because he won 2 districts in Nebraska. Obama got 1 electoral vote because he won 1 district.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Antwan3K posted:

I reckon Argentina would construct a completely new island just to block the Falklands, if this were to be implemented. After all, Dubai did it, it's not impossible.

The UK would proceed to simply build an island directly to the south of New Argentina, prompting Argentina to build New New Argentina to the south of the New Falklands, prompting the UK to construct the New New Falklands to the south of New New Argentina, and so on.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Ammat The Ankh posted:

Why are the Swedes so lucky in war? Haven't they been neutral for centuries?

The luckiest soldier is the one who never has to go to war.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Peanut President posted:

Folks asking me to define worth: Can't farm it, it's nearly inhospitable, and it's really hard to get to. It's like buying the moon.

America paid only $116 million in 2012 dollars for billions of dollars in natural resources as well as the strategic value of shifting its borders with Russia.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

Yeah, here's one that supposedly includes all teams, though I'm not sure about how accurate it is. ATM definitely aren't as popular as UT in all of east Texas.



This map portrays Chicago anywhere as solid Northwestern territory, which is hilariously incorrect. Northwestern is too small/urban/nerdy to have a dedicated fanbase, and it shows.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Private Speech posted:

A dig at Stalinists might be more appropriate too, given who was in charge then & all that.

Marxist-Leninist and Stalinist mean the same thing. Marxism-Leninism was developed by Stalin.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Private Speech posted:

I'd argue it doesn't, it was the descriptive word for soviet ideology stemming from Lenin until the end.

Are you saying Lenin called himself a Marxist-Leninist?

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Rebel Blob posted:

I learned about this profoundly dumb thing, so now you have to as well: Disney Villains Victorious.



I love that the "Sultanate of Agrabah," which maps onto the Umayyad Caliphate but with less than half of Spain and even greater holdings throughout Asia, is categorized as a European empire.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

i say swears online posted:

wanna see that flat-earth atheist vs young-earth creationist PTA meeting

This particular flat-earther is definitely also a young-earth creationist. "They loved learning about our earth, and verses to support the geocentric model."

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

Xelkelvos posted:

Because Paul was high as gently caress when he wrote Revelations and someone at the Council of Nicea demanded it be included.

It's called "Revelation" with no "s" :colbert: and John of Patmos wrote it, not Paul :agesilaus:

A Buttery Pastry posted:

The religions practiced in the South evolved as a result of the Great Awakening, as a reactionary response to the rise of secularism in the largely Protestant US. The South is thus "protestant" against Protestantism, which flips adherents back to believing in eternal damnation.

I think the intense Christianity found in the Bible Belt still has to be considered Protestant in the most important sense, which is that it rejects institutional authority and prioritizes the immediate leadership of charismatic people. Yes most of these denominations do have organizational leadership for financial grifting purposes but nobody gives a poo poo what the Southern Baptist Convention or the United Pentecostal Church International says, they give a poo poo what their pastor says and if they don't like it they get a new pastor.

In terms of whether Protestantism vs. Catholicism can be connected to greater fervor/secularism, I think the trend is that the more dominant a denomination is in a given area, the less fervor. That's why you have US-American Protestants who convert to Catholicism and Latin American Catholics who convert to Protestantism and both groups are chasing greater fervor and more extreme right-wing politics.

Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Sep 6, 2022

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011
Yeah a better map would be 'probability of casting a pivotal vote' which would capture that while Wyoming's electoral-votes-to-voter ratio is insane, everyone's vote there is already worthless because the state itself is so noncompetitive. Meanwhile if you live in a state/district like early-2000s Florida or NE-02 then the odds that your vote decides the next President, while very low, are about a billion trillion times higher than if you live in Wyoming or West Virginia or North Dakota.

EDIT: here is that map, from a 2010 paper by by Andre Gelman at Columbia, Aaron Edlin at UC Berkeley, and a baseball forecaster named Nate Silver: http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/probdecisive2.pdf

Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Apr 3, 2023

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

i say swears online posted:

no coherent geographical justification, no claim on northwestern university.[b][/b] literally the worst irridentist map i've ever seen

What's this one about, lol.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

OwlFancier posted:

illiindi
noisana

alageo
bamargia

Illindi and Noisana are both more culturally & economically unified states than Illinois and Indiana.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011
I also initially read it as "here's what the Muslims are doing to France, making it an Islamic state, driving out our culture into minor enclaves." I've seen plenty of maps like that, also with England or Germany or any other European state.

But now I can see it's clearly "here's what it would be like if the Muslims did Zionism to us, so now you can see Zionism is bad." I don't think it's antisemitic, in fact the whole point is that the colonial process of Zionism can be enacted with any colonizing culture or religion, that the Jewishness of Zionism is ultimately just an aesthetic component.

Goes to show that right-wing ambitions and right-wing anxieties are sympatico across cultures.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

The spike in Florida could make a pretty good attack on DeSantis in a debate.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011
I just don't trust these survey respondents honestly. Or maybe the map isn't labeled specifically enough.

Even doing basic household chores / working around at your workplace or wherever you're doing your stuff / walking to and from your car, I think that should sum up to at least 30 minutes of walking for many more people.

I think people interpreted the question as "30 continuous minutes of walking" or "walking for the purpose of health" or "walking outdoors."

I would want to see this data validated with step counters/movement trackers, I think it's too easy to overlook a large amount of the walking we do because we're not walking ~mindfully~, we consider ourselves to be doing something else like "grabbing a coffee"

Civilized Fishbot fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Dec 14, 2023

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Apr 3, 2011

drk posted:

According to this highly scientific illustration, English is the most German language of all



The Urdu cat stalking the Hindi birds seems loaded.

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