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jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Can someone tell me what the deal is with volume controls within XBMC frodo ? While I was out of town my spouse somehow managed to mute the volume in XBMC. So she called me and I searched the xbmc forums for the mute shortcut. It suggested using the + sign. Ok so it's unmuted however now it has a volume. WTF? If I place it at 100 I get digital clipping. I don't want XBMC to have a volume control for the same reason I don't want my bluray player to have a volume control. I want reference standard audio going to my receiver and then the receiver controls the volume...

So in short, How do I make XBMC have no volume/do no gains or attenuation on the source media so that it's "bit perfect" going out the hdmi port ?

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jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

redhalo posted:

XBMC doesn't amplify past your system settings. If you scale your os's master volume to something like 80% you shouldn't get any digital clipping. Aside from that, possibly modify XBMC's keybinds for volume so that they can't be triggered.

I run the intel HD display audio drivers, so sound it output via hdmi and the windows volume slider does nothing. 1 or 100% it's the same. Im going to have to investigate more. Most of the discussion via google searching is xbmcubuntu and openelec stuff.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I don't agree with the lightpack. THX and Dolby have both published documentation on the benefits of colour neutral walls especially near the screen. Colour surrounding the screen throws off your perception of colour. For those of us who try to get a reference quality playback (as close as possible to what the studio intended), coloured lighting will throw this off.

Now, if you want it for ambience, to impress friends or simply because its cool then awesome! But I don't believe there is any benefit for picture quality, or immersion.

I do think it would go well with XBMC's music visualizer.

One interesting thing... For panel displays its recommended that people use a specific temperature bulb behind the screen when watching in a dark room to increase the perceived blacks on screen. I can't remember the exact colour temp, maybe 6200k ?

With this light pack, I wonder if it could be set up as a variable brightness neutral colour backlight, so with bright scenes it turns down, and dim scenes it turns up slightly so that you're always seeing the perfect balance of black level and shadow detail.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

redhalo posted:

In theory this can be accomplished using Prismatik by turning on "Average color on all LEDs" and playing with the brightness and gamma settings. Short of that you could write a plugin.

edit: oh wait, I see you want the light reverse of the screen brightness. Write a plugin seems like your option.

Well, not my option. I have a controlled light dedicated theater room with a projector setup. My black levels are controlled by screen reflectivity (gain).

Currently I run a 1.0 gain screen and black levels are pretty good but not perfect. Thinking of stepping down to a .8 gain screen DIY style.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
PS thanks for the help with the xbmc volume controls. Turned out somehow the laptop soundcard driver was reenabled. Got it disabled and now its back to default doing passthrough properly.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The beta version seems to break the 3D interface and detection of 3D movies. I reverted back to a late February nightly and it was fixed. I'll probably go to the latest nightly and retest.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Just FYI naming convention was changed starting beta 1 for tagging 3D content. 3dhsbs and 3dhou don't work anymore. Its now "3D SBS" and "3D TAB" (top and bottom) and variants of the above.

Can anyone tell me how to make a main menu item for 3D movies ? I have all my 3D titles in a separate directory. I'm using beta 2 and aeon NOx as a skin. Not sure if a custom main menu item is how to do it or a smart list.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

wolfbiker posted:

So how does that work, I'll have to rename my folders as Whatever.Movie.2014.3D SBS.BluRay.1080p.x264-WHATEVER or will Whatever.Movie.2014.3D.SBS.BluRay.1080p.x264-WHATEVER work too?

Do you process meta data manually or just have XBMC scrape it? I use EMM and just created a 3D genre tag for my 3D movie so I just browse by genres then choose 3D.

Mine don't have metadata so I require xbmc to scrape it. In this case the folder name doesn't matter, the file name needs 3D and the type separated by dash, period, space etc. If you have the metadata for the mkv tagged as 3d, that will take priority. On my phone right now but the official xbmc wiki explains it in the 3D detection section.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Hippie Hedgehog posted:

Of course I have it on Expert already, I should have mentioned that maybe. The nightly doesn't have the option for Passthough on the Settings menu, only way to set it is during playback, to go into the "speaker icon" menu. Also, the AC3/DTS etc options are gone, I can't find them anywhere.

Anyway, it doesn't actually go into passthrough mode, for whatever reason.
And even if it did, the surround sound should work just as well without passthrough, but my problem is XBMC is not passing any channels except the front right+left. The receiver seems to be telling me it's getting stereo signal, no matter what I do in XBMC.

Do a full uninstall and run beta 2. Works well enough.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
So now that there is hardware acceleration support for android, are android devices considered good enough for actual use ?

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
FYI Aeon NOx v5.xxx is being built as a pretty looking but light skin. Test versions are available.


Edit: it could be used as a nice skin on android devices is what I'm getting at.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Keito posted:

Have you tried it yourself? I've been running Nox 5 for the last couple of weeks on the betas, but I'm not that enthusiastic. A lot of the customization options have been dropped, and the views are all either ones I don't use or gimped/ugly versions of what used to be.

Maybe it's finally time for me to move on... Amber is a good alternative, but the version currently in Gotham repos isn't 100% there yet.

Nope. I have having some script dependency issues and couldn't get it to work. Also its still pretty early and far from finished.

Either way I'm not a fan of the cheap microboxes for xbmc yet. I like the interface to be as snappy as possibly so I run it on a i5/8gb/Intel hd3000 setup.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Despoiler posted:

What's the best library manager these days? Do we not really need one anymore?

What's the best way to get all the tv/movie metadata and images (poster, background, fanart, etc)?

Extra art downloader or whatever its called. Its built into xbmc.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I had a movie night a few weeks back and one of my friends recognized XBMC, kind of. When I went to navigate to the movie he said "Holy poo poo your apple tv is way smoother than mine!" and then mentioned something about it probably being full of adware and viruses from too much porn.

For a lot of people, xbmc = jail broken ATV.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

DumbWhiteGuy posted:

Just got my Amazon Fire in the mail and I can confirm: it is the poo poo. Only took like 5 minutes to get it going and install XBMC on it and it works like a champ.

Which xbmc build ?

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
How do I get openelec to install on a USB stick ?

The instructions talk all this poo poo about opening up a terminal etc. I tried burning the image to USB and booting from that but now it wants another USB to install to.

I there a way to install openelec onto my only thumb drive from a NUC from windows ? I don't have the mental capacity for this right now.

Also my k400 keyboard doesn't work properly with the NUC. Even in the BIOS the keypresses barely register and mouse movement is all hosed up. What is there out there like the k400 ?



HURRR: Didn't realise the install wiki had separate linux and windows tabs. Heh.

jonathan fucked around with this message at 22:37 on May 8, 2014

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Last 2 days I haven't been able to install any addons on a fresh stable install.

Aeon NOx 5 downloaded fine though. Odd.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Ixian posted:

I don't recommend installing on a USB stick anymore. I know it's a cheaper option for the NUC but in addition to no longer being able to resume from sleep the OpenElec forums are filled with people struggling with USB installs, slow artwork, etc. I'm not saying it doesn't work or that many people aren't perfectly happy with it, just that it seems like a silly compromise to me considering the money you already have to sink in to a NUC setup in the first place.

If you want to save yourself some long term hassle just drop another $35 on a small 32gb mSATA drive and be done with it (Sandisk makes a good one for that price, check Amazon). It'll probably save you grief in the long run over using that spare USB stick everyone has had sitting in a drawer for the last 4 years.

Problem is the nuc is used for torrents, plex server, jukebox etc. So It runs windows 7 most of the time, and then ideally i'd like to reboot with the usb stick in the drive for xbmc use. Is it possible to get a fast usb stick ? If not I'll likely just run windows xbmc.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Ixian posted:



Also, in a weird touch, you'll also need to buy a power cord - not the adapter itself, which comes with it, just the cord - it's a small 3 prong "cloverleaf" type that you probably don't have laying around, though you can get them on Amazon with the NUC for an extra $4. The theory there is Intel deliberately chooses not to ship it with one so it can further justify the "kit" designator, but who knows.


They now come with a power cord.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Keito posted:



Come to think of it, Amber's the only non-Aeon skin I've been able to use in years without just sitting there getting pissed by everything looking like poo poo. For the last month I've been back testing Nox 5, but I do miss those convenient widgets...

This is my exact thoughts. Amber is great. I like Aeon Nox still though, it seems so polished versus everything else. I really think Aeon Nox 5 should take over as the default xbmc skin, especially now that it isnt as resource heavy as version 4 was.

There is that other skin everone loved that isn't in the repo yet. I cant remember the name but it was being mentioned a few times per week for awhile there.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Im waiting for this too. A box that you set up and is idiot proof. Like boxee box if it actually worked right. I'd like to share movies with my parents via a shared directory, possibly google drive, that is scanned by xbmc.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gozinbulx posted:

With a little work on your part (and not your parents) this should be possible now.

Android (or FiteTV, or NUC) boots straight into XBMC, customize home screen to include only Movies and TV and maybe a link to Genesis add on (labeled Streaming Movies or comething). Set your shared drive thing as a source.

Is this not more or less what you're imagining?

Yeah I guess, and actually if it were set up with windows and chrome, I could use that chrome remote desktop to fix it when they break it.

What is the genesis addon ? Also, how fast of a connection would one need to watch a 8gig mkv from a remote directory... I think they have a 15mbit connection.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gozinbulx posted:

Genesis is the brainchild of the the maker of GO movies and GOTV (a dev named Lambda). It basically combines the two. It scrapes sources from Icefilms, VK, Yify, ect so it's kinda like a super addon to end all addons. I have never encountered a show or movie that doesn't have a working source. 99% of the time, the first source works. It can also be configured to auto-play the first source and then move on if it doesnt work.

If you're gonna be sharing stuff over the net that big, you either need to transcode (like plex) or set a big buffer in XBMC (at least 50 mb) to try to avoid stuttering issues. 15 mbit shoudl be enough, the question is how fast is your connection (you hosting the files) UPLOADING. That will be the man bottleneck probably.

Cool thanks for the info. Maybe I will just ship an sdcard back and forth.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Thermopyle posted:

If I was doing this, I'd just set up Plex for them and run Plex Media Server at your place.

I'm already running plex media server but I'm getting subpar performance from it and not sure why.

I suppose my LG smart TV just could be crummy at decoding. It's wired on 100mbit, and the server is an i3 NUC on a 1000mbit to the router.

Resources show like 10% CPU usage when transcoding or streaming a high bit rate movie.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Actually what are some decent boxes that have a plex client ? Maybe that is the solution. I can do 15mbit upwards, will plex server know to downgrade bitrate for an internet connection ?

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
What is the best bang for the buck simple xbmc box on the market right now ? Got a friend who uses xbmc off her laptop through hdmi to her tv and is always having issues. Going to get her a better solution for her birthday.

There are some Pivos models, and these Minix Neo Arm Cortex A9 based devices over at Ncix
http://www.ncix.com/category/media-players-7d-1331.htm

Amazon.ca have a few devices,
Fire TV
Various G-Box android devices
Some "Armada MAch 8 fastest xbmc device in the world"

She will likely be playing media from a usb harddrive.

Any suggestions ? I need to order by tonight, although i'm in Vancouver right now so I can pickup from ncix directly. Amazon.ca will be a couple days to ship.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gozinbulx posted:

Nah, the android boxes are pretty set it forget after a good initial setup. Get a quad core based one, either Rk3188 or S802. Don't get gbox bullshit, its dual core crap. MINIX is just a popular (over priced) brand for these boxes. Get an M8 if its s802, or a Cs968 if its rk3188.

You can get a cs968 for like 77 on amazon with prime. M8 is a bit more.

Edit: get a cs968 and I can walk you through exactly what you need to do to make it fucktastically awesome.

Edit2: this one
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00FDOPNT6?cache=10f0b10cfaf906f80d99e37008683c9f&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&qid=1412645086&sr=8-4#ref=mp_s_a_1_4

Thanks a bunch. I'm on the road at the moment, are you able to find that one in the amazon.ca website ? Because of where I live, amazon.Com's shipping policies make it next to impossible for me.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Ok so I just bought 2 s802 M8's

Thanks for the suggestions!

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gozinbulx posted:

Yeah you're still restricted to apps that almost all designed with touch screens in mind (except for XBMC, of course). I don't mind it because I use a small little air mouse and just click away. Also my TV has netflix built into it so I don't really use the Netflix app.


Awesome. Let us know how they work out and I'll definitely try to help you anyway I can.

I mean, I'm good with xbmc running over windows but haven't messed with it over android. Question, can Plexbmc be configured so that it shows the movies and tv shows in the normal movies/shows sections just like local scraped media ?

Also is this a good enough upload to serve hd content across town...

jonathan fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Oct 9, 2014

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Reporting back, these m8 android boxes are smooth with xbmc... As in just as snappy as my i3 4gb ram windows 7 htpc.


One issue though, playback is playing really zoomed in. I ditched the preinstalled bloated xbmc install and reinstalled the latest stable. On playback of 1080p content its very zoomed in, however the video calibration is set properly, and the xbmc interface itself is fine.

Ive done a google search but didnt find anything of note.


Edit:

Fixed it.
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=198463

Android seems to be broken at figuring out the TV's native res. It was set to 720p and with xbmc set to 1080p it was resulting in zoomed video. Manually set the resolution in Android to your TV's native res and then set it in xbmc and it appears to be fixed.

jonathan fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Oct 15, 2014

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

visuvius posted:

Same here. I don't want to have to buy a new router just to stream 1080p poo poo. Also I'm annoyed that there is no SPDIF out. I don't want to route my HDMI through the receiver just to get surround sound and with this thing I would have to.

I'm really considering one of those M8 boxes that Goz is pimping. At this point in time, they seem like the best option. I'm guessing you can't really do Netflix with those right? How complicated is it getting the latest XBMC on there? The version it comes with is not very good or current right?

Ok so here is my trip report...

They run some flavour of Kitkat 4.4.2. They have a colourful homescreen with a TON of software preloaded. It is not vanilla android, it looks sort of like a smart tv interface.

Certain windows have a bit of Engrish, but whatever. I loaded up the preinstalled xbmc which is preloaded with roughly 1gb worth of OneChannel and Pirate streaming plugins. It ran smoothly but holy hell was it bloated and cluttered. I went into the android settings which looks just like it does on your phone, and did a system restore. This removed 80% of the Engrish junk. I then side loaded the latest stable xbmc. All you do is put the .apk file onto a thumb drive, plug it into the android box, go to the "App Installer" program that comes with this android build, and let it install the file. You can then create a shortcut on your homescreen.

XBMC runs really really well. Like, I run Aeon Nox and browse movies in showcase mode with large fanart, and it scrolls through perfectly. Maybe the tiniest bit of stutter while scraping from 3 sources. All my bluray rips are usually 12gb+ in size, and I play them over a 100Mbit ethernet connection and they play flawlessly.

I went into the system settings and disabled a bunch of apps like Gmail etc. I don't really need to have Plenty of Fish/OkCupid notifications popping up if I have a date over.

Lots of apps from Google Playstore work, and lots don't. poo poo like AngryBirds and SpeedTest dont. I bet if they were manually installed they would work fine. Also there is no Pay version of the plex app. There is the Free version (If you have a plex plus subscription).

There is also MiraCast that somehow lets you toss your phone's display up onto the TV. I tried to get it to work but it didnt. Don't really care. There is a phone app you can use as a remote, a physical remote, and also the Logitech K400 works perfectly with it including mouse support.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

EC posted:

Honestly, it would be easier than trying to make nfo files for everything. Just create folder outside your tv/movie directory and name the files something that will look sane in XBMC's file mode, then add the folder as a source. Should be relatively simple. I use it for tons of crap that doesn't fit into the normal library, like weird 3D videos or old school comedy roasts.

That is the approach I did for all the Disney/Pixar short film collections I have. Perhaps one day I will make an nfo and get them to all work together as a collection. Or just wait for someone to do it via the moviedb or tvdb.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I'm the one who purchased the two M8's

I can't comment on netflix with out of the box capability, as I'm Canadian, and gently caress Canadian netflix.

for everything else, 1080p/60hz is all I can choose, however apparently 24hz support is available via custom software. I haven't looked into it yet as the M8 is currently for upstairs viewing.

As for downstairs I currently run 60hz because my projector has a bug which fucks up the viewing of Side-by-side 3d content when in 24hz mode.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gozinbulx posted:

Do yourself a favor and grab some USB gamepad and play BombSquad.

Also finless's rom is way snappier that what mine was shipped with.

Tried using finless's rom, couldn't get it to boot passed the booting image (the galaxy picture thing)

Then I tried JustMe's rom which worked fine. Interface looks a bit different and maybe more professional. Also the box identifies itself as a Nexus 10 device, allowing for HD Netflix client. It also does 24hz now. Apparently there is still an issue with interlacing on some videos. It's not always repeatable. Any suggestions for a decent gamepad ? Honestly I don't even know if I need another game console. I already don't play a x360 or a PS4. Just waiting for Grand Theft Auto to launch for PS4

jonathan fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Nov 3, 2014

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Ummm, Nexus player ? Is this thing any good ? Its cheaper than my android box

Edit: meh, just ordered two of them. I'll give them a flogging and report back. If they are nice I might put the m8's up for sale locally.

jonathan fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Dec 18, 2014

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

visuvius posted:

Hey dude how much you want for one of those m8's?

Well I got them for around $100 shipped, but locally they go for $300 after installing navi-x and 1channel etc on xbmc. I might sell them for cheap just to gently caress over the guys doing 300% markups.

I did the same thing with LED light bars awhile back to gently caress with the crooked 4x4 shops charging Rigid prices for Hong Kong knockoffs.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Don Lapre posted:

It is a great product with limited apps right now. You can easily sideload though without any hacking. Once its registered to your google account you can install apps on the play store that dont show up on the devices app store (like es explorer and sideload launcher https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.tv.sideloadlauncher&referrer=utm_source%3D42matters.com%26utm_medium%3DWidgetWeb)

ES Explorer lets you network browse into your device and you can copy over xbmc apk for example, or retroarch or just about anything.

Thanks! I use es explorer to grab music from my nas onto my phone while I sleep. If only there was a version for Chromebook.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Honestly my m8 with the shipped ROM worked awesome. I did a factory reset which deleted xbmc and a bunch of poo poo, then reinstalled xbmc and set it up how I like it.

It was rock solid and fast. The finless ROM just changed the interface some but it doesn't seem to work with Kodi.

Like, the big menu item won't link to Kofi.

Oh the fact that his ROM reports the hardware as "Xoom" to google play store is a huge benefit.

jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Odd, I have two of them and they run well. I did plug in a keyboard and mouse to make configuring xbmc easier but once it was up and running it worked flawlessly.

On a related note, I got two Nexus Players in, and they're even better. I've pulled the i3 NUC out of the equipment room and put the nexus in its place.

Wireless connection is fine as long as the signal is decent. I tried a 15gb mkv and it played fine.

It doesn't do HD audio bitstream but it will decode to pcm so as long as you don't care what your receiver says on the front, it will be fine.

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jonathan
Jul 3, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Yup, Google Nexus TV for $100 is the cats pajamas. Kodi can be installed within a few minutes using nothing but the remote. No need for rooting or anything other than in checking signed apps in settings. Shows up just like any other app on the main screen.

A USB to Ethernet adaptor can be used if you can't make WiFi work but I've had no problems via a wireless N connection even with large 15gb mkv's.

4K stuff ? I don't know but who cares.

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