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skasion posted:Thranduil is 100% the poor relation. Wine baron in the backcountry. Descended from a mere courtier of Elu-Thingol. Probably doesn’t even know any high elves. And he’s got a dungeon…how gauche can you get. They’d let Celeborn have a ring first. Lol Celeborn? That nerd??
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Tree Bucket posted:I thought that was Balrog wings Guess I shoulda said for this thread specifically, from what I've seen you all seem pretty chilled out about the wings
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Barry Foster posted:Lol Celeborn? That nerd?? Iirc Teleporno helps hold off Sauron long enough for Elrond to fortify Rivendell and defend it, along with enough of a defense in Eregion that the Numenoreans are able to relieve them and the Elves that fled through Moria are also able to regroup with the aid of the Dwarves. Also probably a good thing that Gil-galad gives Elrond his ring before Gil-galad dies, because I could see that being a mess.
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Balrog wings are chicken wings that are as spicy as the Flame of Udûn, and the big controversy is about whether it's a misnomer for a variation on that dish to be called "boneless wings" since they contain no wing meat.
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Feb 29, 2024 02:43
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I love to wead lord of the wings.
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They got wings though right? everyone agrees they got wings
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Deformed Church posted:Why didn't Eru simply take the ring to Mordor himself? He did, and you've read the story of how he did it Eru's not like, an actual guy, who exists within space & time He's God
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Ravenfood posted:Iirc Teleporno hey guys that speak elf can you explain the etymology of this one
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I think with questions like whether Balrogs have wings we should defer to illustrators like this Cor Blok fellow I just learned about.
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Lol reminds me of The Groke from Moomintroll
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DeimosRising posted:hey guys that speak elf can you explain the etymology of this one One really specialized Palantir.
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Vanadium posted:I think with questions like whether Balrogs have wings we should defer to illustrators like this Cor Blok fellow I just learned about. As a Dane, I will always stan the illustrations done by our beloved Queen Margrethe II as a teenager. Just look at these badass Nazgul:       I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a Balrog? 
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DeimosRising posted:hey guys that speak elf can you explain the etymology of this one I don't speak elf but I do have the internet! "Telep" or "telpë" is a Quenya adjective meaning "silver"; it appears also in Telperion, the elder of the Two Trees. It descends from the Proto-Elvish "kyelep" with the same meaning, which in Sindarin evolved to become "celeb". "Orno" is either an alteration of the Quenya "orna" meaning tall, or an alteration of Sindarin "orn" meaning tree to fit Quenya rules of prosody, depending on whether you're sticking to the published canon of Celeborn having been a Sinda, or the notes version of him being Telerin.
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That's the thing about JRRT, he just did not give a gently caress if one of his invented names had a connotation in English. I've never been able to get my head around that, I'm way too self-conscious to come up with even the simplest name for a character. I'm always doing the "Bart, Cart, Dart, E-art... nope, sounds fine to me" thing. One time I spent about three months trying to think of a name for a cowboy character that hadn't been used and overused in media before. Finally I settled on "Shane" which I thought was free and clear and wrote and published a whole thing and immediately everyone told me I'd picked probably the most well-known and connotation-laden cowboy name ever. gently caress me But Tolkien is bound by no such agony. The hill is called Túna, gently caress you, I dare you to say something about fish I'm gonna make a supporting character called "Farmer Maggot" Yeah Fingolfin has "golf" in it, what of it? I'm just gonna make a joke about golf having been derived from it
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And then we get to endure decades of lol Bilbo more like uhh Dildo Shaggins lmao. Yes, the names are meant to sound kind of ridiculous, you're not funny.
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Data Graham posted:"
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This is Bullroarer Took erasure.
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Ravenfood posted:That was Golfimbul! Funny story about that,  He used Fingolfin as the name of the goblin in early drafts of The Hobbit—recycled from much earlier Lost Tales stuff—and then changed it to Golfimbul, retaining the golf pun which he had already made and wanted to keep
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Data Graham posted:That's the thing about JRRT, he just did not give a gently caress if one of his invented names had a connotation in English. At least he had the decency to antiquity up Sam's name a little so he's not running around as Dumbass son of Homebody
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And then the Rankin-Bass movie thought it was making a cool pun all "Truly it is well that you are named Sam ... WISE  "I'm like, god dammit you guys 
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Data Graham posted:Finally I settled on "Shane" lol
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Data Graham posted:And then the Rankin-Bass movie thought it was making a cool pun all "Truly it is well that you are named Sam ... WISE But wisely changed Saruman to Aruman to avoid confusing the loving casuals
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Data Graham posted:And then the Rankin-Bass movie thought it was making a cool pun all "Truly it is well that you are named Sam ... WISE What's the difference between this and the golf one?
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soviet elsa posted:But wisely changed Saruman to Aruman to avoid confusing the loving casuals lol yeah. That was the Bakshi one though. Blood Boils posted:What's the difference between this and the golf one? I'm saying the makers of the movie thought "Samwise" was just a weird name so it was a fun little riff that Tolkien probably never even thought of to call him wise! But Tolkien's whole joke in the first place was that the name in OE means "not very wise" Data Graham fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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There's material from a discarded epilogue where Aragorn says in a letter that instead of Samwise he ought to be called Fullwise.
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It is truly wild that JRRT decided to call the two main antagonists of his series 'Sauron' and 'Saruman' and just assumed that wouldn't confuse anyone on their first read One thing I truly enjoyed re-reading LOTR after reading the Silmarillion last year is how all the poetry, songs and throwaway historical references are...suddenly not just random bits of esoterica but actually cool meaningful stuff that I understand. It's excellent world building even if you dont know what the songs or poems reference but they hit even better when you do. Mike N Eich fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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Yeh Bilbos song/poem in the Hall of Fire is wild with the whole picture
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Mike N Eich posted:It is truly wild that JRRT decided to call the two main antagonists of his series 'Sauron' and 'Saruman' and just assumed that wouldn't confuse anyone on their first read I assure you, 11 year old me never once confused Sauron with Saruman and definitely bothered to form a mental distinction between Pippin and Merry.
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Tree Bucket posted:I assure you, 11 year old me never once confused Sauron with Saruman and definitely bothered to form a mental distinction between Pippin and Merry. From my very first read which was probably in first or second grade I knew Merry was the hobbit who knew people and places and Pippin was the one who liked to slack off and say one liners.
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as a kid I wondered why I was supposed to give a poo poo about all the aragorn and gondor stuff when the ring was the important thing
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Tree Bucket posted:And then we get to endure decades of lol Bilbo more like uhh Dildo Shaggins lmao. Yes, the names are meant to sound kind of ridiculous, you're not funny. Hey how dare you! Bored of the Rings is a satirical masterpiece!
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galagazombie posted:Hey how dare you! Bored of the Rings is a satirical masterpiece! When I was 11, my dad's best friend (huge Tolkien fan, was fluent in Sindarin) slipped me a copy of Bored of the Rings and told me not to tell my dad he gave it to me. 11 year old me learned a *lot* from that book, like what the title character was named after.
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I like the notion of Tolkien nerds passing parodies around like it's forbidden knowledge.
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Diamonds On MY Fish posted:When I was 11, my dad's best friend (huge Tolkien fan, was fluent in Sindarin) slipped me a copy of Bored of the Rings and told me not to tell my dad he gave it to me. Are you me?
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Are you saying there’s a mysterious sindarin speaker out there giving cursed gifts to the unwitting? Sounds legit
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YaketySass posted:I like the notion of Tolkien nerds passing parodies around like it's forbidden knowledge. It's their version of rotten.com.
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Diamonds On MY Fish posted:When I was 11, my dad's best friend (huge Tolkien fan, was fluent in Sindarin) slipped me a copy of Bored of the Rings and told me not to tell my dad he gave it to me. I loved that book and actually did a book report on it in 7th grade, without first learning what the title character was named after
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I mean it's funniest at age 13 but as an artifact of 60s pop culture it's actually really drat cool
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Tree Bucket posted:I assure you, 11 year old me never once confused Sauron with Saruman and definitely bothered to form a mental distinction between Pippin and Merry. i took my first run at the books when home from school with the flu, and yeah being semi-delirious with fever doesn't make it any easier to keep Sauron and Saruman straight
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Pham Nuwen posted:i took my first run at the books when home from school with the flu, and yeah being semi-delirious with fever doesn't make it any easier to keep Sauron and Saruman straight It does lend a certain verisimilitude when reading the scenes of Frodo staggering through Mordor, at least
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