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Yes I am seconding that request for explicit references.
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Basically the Ring would give you the power to dominate people and plants and shape the earth to some degree. If you do that too much (Saruman) you are Evil. Some people like Galadriel are right on the line and the Ring would probably have tipped her over to outright evil.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:36
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Those quotes are right in line with what I said.
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Mar 24, 2014 23:51
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I just meant Galadriel is already so close to evil already that there wouldn't be a honeymoon of goodness or whatever. It wasn't some point about the Ring generally.
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Mar 25, 2014 00:04
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Galadriel is tough because she changed so much over the years. Near the end apparently JRRT was starting to consider her like the second most powerful elf of the first age after Feanor, after initially being just a bit player besides Loth Lorien. But you know she just takes over a group of Sylvan elves ( a ruthless matriarchy!) , reads peoples minds, uses her power to change nature. She is a riff off of Saruman.
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Mar 25, 2014 00:15
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She is definitely towards the evil side in the Tolkien universe given her lust and desire for power, control, and dominion. She never quite gets there though.
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Mar 25, 2014 00:34
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Arglebargle III posted:Gandalf actually mentions the fact that Elves have are self-involved in writing their histories but can we really blame anyone for writing down what they do and not going out to find and write down what other people are doing? They're elvish historians not elvish anthropologists. It's not their fault that nobody else was writing things down. Holy crap that's from like a year ago. That letter from JRRT I think is good evidence for my position last page.
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Mar 25, 2014 16:36
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Frodo did not destroy the Ring though. Frodo was overtaken by the Ring in the end.
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Mar 26, 2014 00:18
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There is no consistent theory on Orcs. You can dig and dig but really this is one area where I think it is ok to make up Head Canon.
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Mar 28, 2014 15:33
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Except there are tons of references to orcs "multiplying", Azog is the son of Bolg, and Saruman made new orcs. It's a loving mess!
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Mar 28, 2014 15:58
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Saruman's Orcs are Half-elven. So each chooses to be mortal or immortal.
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Mar 28, 2014 21:18
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Eowyn is a hugely important character that always seems to get overlooked when people try and make their Tolkien is sexist points.
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Mar 28, 2014 23:56
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Didn't Luthien destroy a tower of Sauron by singing?
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Mar 29, 2014 00:38
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If you think you are a Tolkien nerd listen to about forty hours of Tolkien Professor.
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Mar 29, 2014 20:54
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It wasn't pride so much as a desire or compulsion to create and own. Hence his desire for the Silmarils which are probably the greatest creation not done by Eru. The same compulsion, the desire to create and control, was present in Sauron. And Feanor, peace be upon him. Edit The Silmarils are a metaphor for creation itself. They are a fantastic literary invention. Just splendid. euphronius fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 01:53
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We are in Sauron's head for a brief moment.
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Aug 6, 2014 23:22
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No it's when Frodo claims the ring in Mount Doom.
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Aug 15, 2014 03:34
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I don't know what you are reading. There is no mechanized warfare.
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Dec 20, 2014 16:49
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:So if Mordor was a hellish ashy plain, what were the orcs eating for food? (You can't say each other.) What's the economy and infrastructure of an army-state in a wasteland without vegetation? You're not going to tell me they go out raiding local farms to feed the vast armies of darkness, are you? The south east of mordor was fine.
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Jan 6, 2015 00:18
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I am not going to go too far down this road but what we know of Orcs is filtered through rabid Orc racists and should be taken with a huge grain of salt. I mean this is just the texts themselves which all purport in their fictional frame to be the works of elves and men and no claim is made for any kind of historical accuracy whatever that means.
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Jan 6, 2015 00:29
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SirPhoebos posted:I got a couple questions: Chris does an ok job but is too stingy in releasing the source material.
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Jan 8, 2015 21:17
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If I recall correctly the land of Hollin was denuded of trees that went into Moria.
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Jan 23, 2015 16:26
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VanSandman posted:The arrival of the Wizards was one of the events that marked the start of the Third Age. No they came 1000 years into the 3rd age.
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Jan 31, 2015 02:19
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Feanor's obsession with the silmarils causes the strife, not some catholic family law drama.
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Mar 22, 2015 04:23
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Ok Feanor's half family was like a proximate cause. Fine.
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Mar 23, 2015 03:33
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If i remember my Lost Tales right, when the Valar sauntered over to Valinor for the first time, they didn't explore it all the way. There were parts of it they never went to. Melkor did go exploring and found Ungoliant in some cave. Now why an evil spider-form creature would be in Valinor I have no idea.
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Mar 23, 2015 19:39
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Shelob was sentient and also magical. Probably would have been a dark spider form lord.
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Mar 25, 2015 12:39
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You should reread it. Her evil is intentional, magical and powerful and described so explicitly.
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Mar 26, 2015 01:58
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No. Evil's main essential characteristic is the desire to control and create.
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Mar 26, 2015 02:49
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Sauron isnt dumb or shortsighted at all. His downfall was that he could not conceive that Frodo wanted to destroy the Ring. AND HE WAS RIGHT. Frodo did not want to destroy the Ring in the end. It was dumb luck or the will of Illuvatar at the end.
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Mar 26, 2015 02:53
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I don't follow.
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Mar 26, 2015 03:00
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Oh yeah I agree with that yeah. They were doomed to their doom.
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Mar 26, 2015 03:06
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Like I was interpreting your use of short sighted to be in the context of the lives of men, not like the scope of Arda.
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Mar 26, 2015 03:10
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Well he never thought someone would destroy the ring and he was right. If Gollum wasn't there to fall into the fire, Sauron wins. Also there was clever misdirection by Aragorn to use the unwitting Hobbit palantir reveal to their advantage. Sauron was never dumb. Shortsighted I guess in the sense that evil cannot win in a universe with "god".
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Mar 26, 2015 03:25
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2) probably about 12 feet tall. NO WINGS. 1) He is identifying himself as a servant and paladin of Valinor and Illuvatar, Anor being a poetic name for Valinor, secret flame being a reference to the power of creation. Or he is saying straight out he has a ring of power. It is ambiguous.
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Mar 26, 2015 03:37
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In the versions of the fall of Gondolin, where there are like 100s of Balrogs, they are described as being like twice as big as an elf. And of course a balrog does not have wings and cannot fly and PJ is dumb and fat.
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Mar 26, 2015 03:44
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You are all making great posts and I dont disagree! Except for Balrog wing guy. gently caress that poo poo
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Mar 26, 2015 04:07
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The shadow of the Moria balrog is poeticlly described as wings. thats it. In no other description of Balrogs do they have wings. If they had wings why did they need to ride dragons over mountains to get to Gondalin.
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Mar 26, 2015 04:13
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When Beren and Tinuveil/Luthien invade Angband, Angband is explicitly described as being hellish. Its gate is even guarded by a giant dog!
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Thunder Moose posted:As others have pointed out - Tolkien held to the old adage that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Which is why virtuous characters such as Gandalf, Galadriel, Tom Bombadil, etc - did "not desire mastery, but rather understanding." I don't think that is true. Or at least, Tolkien's work is more nuanced than that. Power does not corrupt. It is the desire to dominate and create which corrupts. Sometimes.
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