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Galadriel was a lot closer to the line. She may have witnessed Feanor going nuts, but then she lived with Melian for like 10000 years and grew to desire her own kingdom. Which is what Loth Lorien is. With Loth Lorien she basically - iirc - took over a bunch of woodland elves and made herself ruler. loving Noldor.
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Beren and luthien is entirely filmable. Next is maybe the fall of Gondolin and Earendil. And next is maybe the tragedy of Feanor.
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Apr 21, 2015 04:42
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Nessus posted:I feel like it would work best as an opera. That's how the elves would have done it too.
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Apr 21, 2015 04:44
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There is tons of action in beren and luthien.
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Apr 21, 2015 14:06
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The story in the silmarillion from approximately the awakening of the elves to the War of Wrath and the destruction of Beleriland is pretty linked.
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Apr 21, 2015 17:17
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I dont know how you would portray Morgoth though.
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Apr 21, 2015 19:01
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Because they owned the film rights and the movies made 3 billion or whatever and are decently entertaining.
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May 2, 2015 00:30
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Edit Wrong thread haha. euphronius fucked around with this message at 14:36 on May 4, 2015 |
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May 4, 2015 14:34
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I love how the Sand Worms are actually in the book.
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May 4, 2015 19:27
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Tolkien uses worm both ways so who knows. I like the way the movie used them a lot as a kind of counter to the Eagles. The good guys ride majestic eagles. The bad guys follow worms and come out of the ground like vermin. Neat.
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May 5, 2015 16:21
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The pukelmen.
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May 8, 2015 00:58
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Jar Jar and the gungans are a great comparison to the pukelmen.
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May 8, 2015 17:44
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Baron Porkface posted:Were the vala mentionted in Rings/Hobbit? i ask in the context of the Sauron wiki article some guy mentions had a theory that Sauron was a vala before the Simarillion was published. The early drafts of the Silmarillion were written way before LOTR and Sauron was never on the same level as the valar. I think he first shows up as a vampyre lord in the third?? version of Beren and luthien.
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May 10, 2015 13:31
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Galadriel could not wear her ring when Sauron had the One. Also the distinction between valar and maiar was distinct. Originally they all were the children of the valar, like how the Greek pantheon has generations. Jrrt moved away from that though.
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May 10, 2015 18:44
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Nessus posted:I believe the Noldor had been able to kill Balrogs through force of arms at times, Galadriel could totally have made Sauron eat the mat. The Noldor in the third age are quite diminished. If you remember men ( exiled from Numenor though) and Noldor beat in combat Sauron with the Ring !!!! at the end of the second age. They did not have that power any more though.
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May 10, 2015 20:58
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The whole point of the one ring was to control all other rings. Even though Sauron didn't make the Three, Celebrimbor made them with Saurons ideas and techniques. Sauron with the One would have overwhelmed Galadriel if she tried to use her Ring.
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May 10, 2015 21:01
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Two things One: Huan was a Good Dog. (And also a Maia) Two: Sauron grew in power levels when Melkor was banished imho. I don't have a Jrrt cite for that tho.
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May 10, 2015 21:15
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Jewcoon posted:Balrogs were Aüle's as well. That guy had a TERRIBLE track record. I think the only other Maiar that are noted to have gone over to the dark side was Osse, and that was only temporary. Ungolient and maybe the first orcs. Probably not the orcs no one knows
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May 11, 2015 01:24
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Saruman was evil at the end too.
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May 11, 2015 01:26
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I am rereading Sil and Ungolient is def just a Maia. Also the scene when Feanor slams the door in Melkors face is probably my favorite ever.
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May 16, 2015 23:01
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Nothing.
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May 20, 2015 01:03
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Nessus posted:If the things in there predate Sauron, they must be pretty loving hefty medicine, considering that Sauron predates the existence of Arda. (Of course Gandalf may have meant 'Sauron as we know him.') it's unclear to me if Gandalf means that they predate the existence of Sauron completely or if they predate the appearance of Sauron in middle earth. The latter makes much more sense.
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May 21, 2015 21:26
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Bombadil is obviously a Maia.
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You get Sauron's POV once as well.quote:And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung. euphronius fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jun 2, 2015 |
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Jun 2, 2015 17:43
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I think the books only say the dragons were bred by Morgoth, not created.
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Jun 5, 2015 15:12
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However, in some of the first drafts of the Fall of Gondolin, dragons were closer to machines than actual animals.
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Jun 5, 2015 15:14
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ZeusJupitar posted:Straight up ripping pieces of his own soul off and jamming them into lizards. That's actually really accurate
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Jun 5, 2015 23:50
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Vavrek posted:
Read Book of Lost Tales 2 : Fall of Gondolin.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:28
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House Louse posted:Those are the bits that were written in the trenches during the Battle of the Somme, right? 1917 so no, Somme was 1916. Probably not literally wrote in the trenches though.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:29
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Silmarillion is not explicit about it. It is speculation in that source.
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Jun 12, 2015 15:04
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The Belgian posted:Keep in mind that Tolkien rewrote and altered parts of The Hobbit to fit in with LoTR. Unless you're reading a first edition or something, that could be part of those changes. Yeah exactly. the Hobbit was (relatively) heavily retconned.
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Jun 12, 2015 15:52
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sunday at work posted:So not explicit, but there really isn't any where else they could have come from. No one was there in Utumno but everyoe believes that is where the Orcs came from because Melkor wasn't capable of makeing them from scratch. There is no consistent answer in his works. For trolls or dragons either. If you want to believe orcs are elves that's fine, but it has nasty afterlife issues. He could make them from scratch but he'd need to give them a part of his life, rather than their own life. Thats what I think works best. Note that Morgoth enslaved a huge portion of the Noldor and Sindar in Beleriand and they did not turn into orcs.
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Jun 19, 2015 12:29
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The orcs could also be the offspring of lesser maiar.
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Jun 19, 2015 12:31
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SHISHKABOB posted:Luthien is also not a Maia and is never referenced as half-Maia as other people are with mixed ancestry. So I think it's more of her mom's un-maianess that allowed it. Like how Arwen gives up her elfness. The silmarillion constantly refers to Luthien and offspring as having the blood line of the maiar.
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Jun 19, 2015 23:00
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I just feread the Silmarillion on the beach. It's really tight how JRrt fits everything together in the First Age. The first version of Turambar is just in some forest but the Silmarillion version has all types of additional nuance due to its placement in the War of the Jewels. The Book of Lost Tales version is more interesting though imho for all of the additional dialog from Glauurung who is just a master level troll. Further the Silmarillion version of the fall of Gondolin is disgraceful.
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Jun 19, 2015 23:04
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The book never refers to him speaking for the Maiar.
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Jun 19, 2015 23:14
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Thrain and Thorin could not have held the Arkenstone if it was a silmaril. Or Meadros' Silmaril.
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Jun 24, 2015 18:31
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Morgoth stole it from Formenos, Ungoliant ate it; pooped out in beleriland, picked up by dwarf going east, lost in bottom of lonely mountain Or gift from Felgund to first men. Stolen by easterners. Brought east; lost in mountain.
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Jun 24, 2015 22:13
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concerned mom posted:That writer is totally wrong about Glorfindel. They aren't the same Glorfindel. I think they are. Also that is a good list. Fingolfin has the most metal death by far.
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He tripped in a crater created by Grond smashes which is metal.
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