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Were the Uruk-Hai bred to be smarter than Orcs? Did Tolkien mention it anywhere?
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Jun 29, 2017 20:21
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skasion posted:In "Morgoth's Ring" Tolkien says that Saruman bred "man-orcs large and cunning, and orc-men treacherous and vile". My suspicion would be that the former are the fighting Uruk-hai, and the latter are like the ruffians that help him take over the Shire, but Tolkien doesn't explicitly say this. In general though the Uruk-hai don't seem much smarter than regular Orcs so much as more professional -- and after all Orcs aren't necessarily very stupid to begin with. Nothing really suggests they're necessarily intellectually inferior to men, just without any intellectual culture or respect for intellectual pursuit. Yeah, that has been my understanding of it, but for some reason (D&D?) most online sources say that Uruks are more intelligent. And after all Orcs were said to be great at constructing machines and for war and torture, so they can't have been stupid as such. Did Tolkien mean Orcs to be an analogy for modern technology obsessed 20th century Western men?
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Jun 29, 2017 20:58
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I meant this quote from the Hobbit: "Now goblins are cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted. They make no beautiful things, but they make many clever ones. It is not unlikely that they invented some of the machines that have since troubled the world, especially the ingenious devices for killing large numbers of people at once, for wheels and engines and explosions always delighted them, and also not working with their own hands more than they could help; but in those days and those wild parts they had not advanced (as it is called) so far."
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Jun 29, 2017 21:52
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skasion posted:Alright, here we go. Big wall of text about Boorman's doomed LOTR script ahead, stitched together from a couple sources: 
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Oct 30, 2018 10:01
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Octy posted:Now I'm picturing Sam giving Frodo a footjob. That would explain the Proudfoots.
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Nov 2, 2018 01:43
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sweet geek swag posted:Honestly, I wouldn't have minded Aragorn fighting Sauron, even though I am fully aware of how impossible that should be. But it would have at least been entertaining, and honestly it's less destructive to the themes of Tolkien's work than the scrubbing bubbles. As long as Aragorn loses at least. Scrubbing bubbles?
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Dec 20, 2018 02:39
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sweet geek swag posted:The army of the dead at Minas Tirith. They look like the scrubbing bubbles from those old TV ads. ah, ok
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Dec 20, 2018 03:25
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The Mouth of Sauron should have been a long mouth snaking from the lighthouse.
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Dec 20, 2018 03:48
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https://youtu.be/hWjt6LGhHsI the best nazgul adaptation
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Dec 20, 2018 04:26
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Shibawanko posted:I don't remember if they're supposed to have visible faces in the books. When they lose their cloaks they basically become invisible ghosts but maybe they have some kind of facade type thing while they're cloaked? I dunno. Saeros wouldn't have fallen if he hadn't looked down.
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Dec 20, 2018 08:03
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sassassin posted:Sam weepily announces that one more step and he's the farthest he's ever been from home. It's not theft if the upper classes take from the working classes.
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Dec 21, 2018 13:38
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Please come say hi in BYOB! We're having Tolkien chat atm: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3765007&perpage=40&pagenumber=1521#post491191838
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Jan 2, 2019 20:37
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https://i.imgur.com/gpDc7PV.mp4
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Jan 15, 2019 09:39
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euphronius posted:You have the burden of proving they are from gondolin. I don’t have the burden of proving they are not. lol
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Feb 8, 2019 21:12
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What are the differencies between the original and the 60s Hobbit?
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Feb 12, 2019 19:01
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skasion posted:60s Hobbit is basically a completely different book about the same plot that gets right up until they’re about to reach Rivendell. The point was to bring Hobbit into more total consistency with LOTR by messing with stuff like how the Last Bridge is dozens of miles away from the trolls in LOTR but apparently right there in The Hobbit. The result is really weird and does a hatchet job on Bilbo in particular, he comes off as a gigantic retard because the narrator isn’t willing to indulge his silliness the same way as the original. The tone of the narrative as a whole is much closer to the relatively withdrawn voice of LOTR, a lot of the narrator’s whimsical little asides are axed. Tolkien asked a correspondent if she thought the result was any good and she politely conveyed that it ripped the guts out of the book. So it wasn't printed?
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Feb 12, 2019 19:22
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skasion posted:No, not even close. The modern edition of The Hobbit dates from 1966, but it’s just an update of the revised 1951 version (the one that changes the Gollum scene to accord with LOTR). The 1960 Hobbit is an orphaned thing that never got even close to completion before he decided it sucked. nice
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Feb 12, 2019 19:40
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Feb 13, 2019 16:00
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Shibawanko posted:Does it say anywhere that elves have long hair usually? Nearly all depictions of them are in that cliched long haired pointy ear style but that's now how I picture them at all. I picture just regular people except with no features associated with aging. They do have pointy ears, here Tolkien describes hobbits: I picture a fairly human figure, not a kind of 'fairy' rabbit as some of my British reviewers seem to fancy: fattish in the stomach, shortish in the leg. A round, jovial face; ears only slightly pointed and 'elvish'; hair short and curling (brown). The feet from the ankles down, covered with brown hairy fur. Clothing: green velvet breeches; red or yellow waistcoat; brown or green jacket; gold (or brass) buttons; a dark green hood and cloak (belonging to a dwarf). The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, 35 (#27) Here Tolkien also uses "elvish" instead of "elven".
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Feb 16, 2019 17:55
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skasion posted:It’s a random note he made on an illustration of Legolas which was too twinky for his taste. Sadly we don’t know what illustration, but the remark is cited in Lost Tales 2 (quite out of context, but Chris is using it to show that Tolkien’s early concept of the elves fading away to wimpy little Victorian fairies did not last into the later work): Nice! Twinks using longbows is one of my pet peeves. You need much more strength to use a proper warbow than a sword or an axe.
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Feb 16, 2019 20:12
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I hope that the casting will be non-racist so that there will be black elves.
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Feb 25, 2019 22:56
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Feb 26, 2019 07:23
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Aragorn could have said that he's 3 goblins in a trenchcoat.
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Feb 28, 2019 06:27
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skasion posted:Gollum also didn’t knowingly take the ring from the hand of the Lord. It’s a symbolic act of envassalage to do so (think how often Germanic poetic language describes a great lord as “ring-giver” to his liegemen). It primed the Nine to submit to Sauron’s will. It’s stressed that how you first come into the power of a ring shapes how it affects you. Bilbo took so little hurt from it because he began his ownership accidentally and with pity in his heart. Sméagol began his ownership with a terrible crime, but one only motivated by his own petty immoderate desires. His relationship with the ring therefore always remains purely selfish and never brings him into more than temporary alignment with Sauron’s will. Where did Tolkien write this?
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Apr 23, 2019 14:49
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skasion posted:Which bit? Thanks, I didn't remember the text saying that the method of getting rings was meaningful to how they worked.
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Apr 26, 2019 09:39
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Nessus posted:Didn't Gandalf say something to the effect of "the Enemy is watching for when we frag each other because he figures that is when someone is making a play for the Ring?" Or was that way later on. boromor shmoromir - it's samwise the strong he was afraid of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-piARxy4U
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