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I think one reason some of the issues in LotR are there despite Tolkein being aware that they were issues and in there is because to a degree they were just another thing to toss on the pile of "things I'll get around to changing at some point."
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I'm sure orcs generally prefer to force people that aren't orcs to till the soil, but if the only people around to force to till the soil are other orcs that's just how it's going to be.
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Sep 4, 2018 12:08
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poisonpill posted:Weird that all the things Tolkien did that you’d think later writers would want to take and run with like adapting myths to modern sensibilities, inventing alternative histories, or creating analogies to the Great War, the one thing people really took is “elves live in forests and use bows”. Lots of people DO run on adapting myths and inventing alternate histories, it's just they mostly know jack poo poo about myths except what other fantasy writers have written about myths and their alternate histories are mostly based on other fantasy books alternate histories.
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Nov 26, 2018 01:55
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Wrestlepig posted:Because Morgoth’s discordant rebellion against the great music was still part of the greater workings of Eru Illuvatar, everything he did was divinely ordained and cannot be considered wrong. His only mistake was his defying this fact. I am not accepting any criticism of this post. If everything he did was divinely ordained then defying that fact was also ordained and can't be considered a mistake.
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Dec 9, 2018 09:02
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sassassin posted:and if they've got the balls a musical number every episode as Tolkien intended. 
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Feb 26, 2019 01:28
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I hear the calls for a new thread title but the problem is I still love the current title so much Current thread title is better than the proposal, don't listen to them.
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Dec 15, 2019 03:40
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Pham Nuwen posted:poo poo, RIP. JRR couldn't have asked for a better steward of his work, and I hope whoever is managing things now takes equally good care (they won't) He had already stepped back and let the rest of the family step back from the estate and they immediately started licensing stuff out so uh, wrong tense. Not "they won't" but "they aren't."
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Jan 18, 2020 12:27
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SHISHKABOB posted:There's at least two mountain ranges that were just "raised up" out of the ground, and one of them doesn't even exist in the same world as Middle-Earth anymore. I don't remember if there's a particular reason why Mordor looks like such a happy little rectangle though. Morgoth probably put Sauron in charge of putting it together and he promptly went "you know what's the best shape? the rectangle, but it doesn't have any of those disorganized Curves."
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Jan 20, 2020 22:40
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I definitely enjoyed this bit.
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Jun 1, 2020 21:29
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I have memories of finding The Magician's Nephew perfectly acceptable as far as Narnia books go, but I that was when I was younger.
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Jul 14, 2020 23:06
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Nessus posted:I think this is in turn a tongue in cheek way to address the common complaint of Why Didn't They Just Take The Eagles *cinema sins noise* It was a tongue in cheek way to address it but then people took it seriously. This is why "the eagles were a coverup to avoid admitting they were ransomed by orcs" is better.
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Jul 21, 2020 23:29
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Nessus posted:I never heard that one, is there an official nerd theory post on it? I'm imagining something like 'some orc and his bros find the two of them laying on the hill outside the volcano, sell them to Aragorn for either a chest of jewels or a square mile on the coast of Nurn' Basically, though somewhat more extensive than that, that MOST of the mentions of the eagles outside of the vicinity of the Misty Mountains are actually about orcs. It's from this Elise the Great in this very thread.
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Jul 22, 2020 08:34
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sunday at work posted:Don't Kings generally have a steward or chief advisor? It's not as if Denethor was going to be exiled. His day to day duties and position in the kingdom probably would have stayed mostly the same under a king. Kings generally have a steward or chief advisor, but despite Denethor being CALLED steward, he is not actually that guy. He is functionally the king, and some other guy is HIS chief advisor. That other guy is also probably a better candidate for Aragorn's chief advisor, because that other guy is the guy who has actually been doing that thing.
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Nov 13, 2020 05:40
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Merry and Pippin are probably closer to being friends with Frodo, but I doubt they actually know him as well as he and Sam know each other. Yeah for Frodo and Sam it's a patronage relationship, but a patronage relationship that's been going on for basically all of Sam's life, where Merry and Pippin are his distant cousins.
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Dec 28, 2020 05:23
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Eöl might count as Evil Elf Like That, Singular though.
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I think broadly speaking, it would be very possible for someone LIKE saruman to claim the ring, but he is basically engaged on this path because he already pitted his spiritual might against Sauron one on one and lost, so the battle for dominance over the ring has already happened and Sauron knows he already won it.
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Jan 18, 2021 21:30
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euphronius posted:Parts of it happen before the sun and moon so maybe not so much Parts of it happen before the sun and moon, but also, people who were there before the sun and moon are still around to check "yo this is actually what happened" with.
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Jan 20, 2021 00:22
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euphronius posted:We have no idea what she would say. Do you think none of the elves who the stories are from ever bothered to ask her?
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Jan 20, 2021 02:36
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euphronius posted:Maybe My answer to that what if is "that'd be dumb."
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Jan 20, 2021 05:03
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Alhazred posted:He was a balrog. Gothmog the Balrog. In the movies he was an orc. There was a Balrog named Gothmog and also a lieutenant of the Witch King during the war of the Ring named Gothmog who is generally assumed to be distinct from the Balrog because if Gothmog the Balrog was around it would be very very clear he was around.
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Jan 23, 2021 12:25
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Sector Corrector posted:Just finished the Similarion. Just one question... who's Tom Bombadil? He's the husband of Goldberry, hope this helps.
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Jan 31, 2021 10:46
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euphronius posted:If the film contains all objectively good elements I don’t understand how you can say it’s not objectively good Objectively good elements can still be incoherent between each other. If you give an objectively good war drama the objectively good score of a buddy cop comedy, that's not gonna work out.
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Feb 5, 2021 01:26
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Arcsquad12 posted:Can it really be mythical if the people who were there at the time are still around to recount the tales? Shibawanko's position is "they're lying or just smiling smuggly and going 'i dunno, do YOU think it's true' if anyone asks."
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Feb 17, 2021 02:39
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Southpaugh posted:I think by the time the 3rd age rolls around all the arrogant super elves are dead. Elrond and even Galadriel are much younger and less fearsome than their forefathers. They'd still take a good chunk of saurons forces with them if they had to fight, but I think they might have learned a thing or two about strife prior to the fall of the beleriand. Galadriel is "only" like 200 years younger than Feanor so that part not so much.
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Mar 18, 2021 00:07
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Imagined posted:Not to derail, but the Nazi and Unit 731 experiments didn't teach us anything. They were worthless, scientifically speaking, because, among many other problems, they did not attempt proper controls, randomization, or double-blinds, nor were they systematic or reproducible. They were just torture and murder while holding a clipboard. I realize that you were probably saying that, too, but just thought I'd throw that out there. They weren't scientific but they were empirical, and in some cases unscientific data is a better starting point than no data. I'm pretty sure for the nazis at least MOST of it was worthless because it was scientific but also because so much of it was so monstrous that nobody would ever want to follow up on but there is an exception to that in the Freezing Experiments, which have actually had people citing them in studies on recovery from freezing temperature.
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Apr 23, 2021 22:57
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skasion posted:Yea, it was Feanor Dark elf was an insult among the noldor sure but it did not actually refer to being dark or black, it referred to not having seen the two trees.
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May 14, 2021 23:26
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skasion posted:Gandalf believing something doesn’t make it so, he’s no expert and is explaining to someone who also isn’t an expert. The ring contains a part of the power, will, spirit of Sauron and behaves in ways that reflect this. I don’t think it’s losing the plot to say that the ring intends so and so or that it takes such and such an action: it’s not like the ring has a little mind that makes little choices about what to do, but people talk about objects which are not agents as if they were agents all the time; remember trees and rocks are ensouled in Middle-earth, but even today people will talk about their computer or car misbehaving and everyone knows what they mean. It's not a person but it is made out of a person.
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skasion posted:Saruman and Sauron are the ring experts, yeah. Gandalf is an expert at blowing poo poo up. he’s definitely made a dedicated study of the One and is not completely talking out of his rear end about it, and we would expect he knows a thing or two about less powerful rings just as part of getting his wizard degree (ignoring the fact that he actually has a ring of power, since the text mostly ignores this anyway), but he doesn’t know everything about the ring and is deeply concerned to impress upon Frodo that this poo poo is Serious Business and he shouldn’t get too fond of the Ring, because it’s about to seriously threaten his life. He knows more about the ring than you do though so I'm more inclined to listen to him than i am to listen to you 
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Jul 14, 2021 00:42
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The two trees died before the First Age. There is actually no definition regard when the first age started, we don't know where the death of the two trees falls in relation 
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Aug 5, 2021 04:33
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The first age was explicitly the longest, and The First Age During The Years Of The Sun is only 600 years whereas the second and third both hit 3000, which means it explicitly CAN'T be a separate era. Honestly the most likely but unconfirmed event for the start of the first age is probably the awakening of the elves, which would produce the equivalent of 4902 sun years in total. (Also this means i was wrong about not knowing where the death of the two trees is in relation to the first age, it HAS to be within the first age because otherwise the first age would be at most 638 years and very much not the longest) reignonyourparade fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Aug 5, 2021 |
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Aug 5, 2021 04:50
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feedmyleg posted:But surely after having finished principal photography months ago you can evoke hobbit-like imagery with a better shot than a closeup of a curly-haired person sitting in front of a... lantern near a root? If that's what you're trying to convey, are there really no shots that better than that to sell your potentially-nostalgic audience on the "Wow look it's a hobbit!" moment of your trailer? Thats what the big wide shots of impressive scenery did. Honestly think it evoked what most people probably think of the lord of the rings movies just fine, seems like it just didn't evoke what you personally remember of the lord of the rings movies.
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Feb 14, 2022 06:54
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Ungoliant came from outside the world supposedly. Ungoliant just straight up lived in valinor even before morgoth went "hey want to eat the trees" The Valar came from outside the world and lived in valinor. Conclusion: ungoliant just straight up was a Valar, that didn't interact with the elves much
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Jul 15, 2022 20:22
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Ungoliant must almost surely be one of the Ainur by default but she is definitely not a Valar. Also the Silmarillion points out that Melkor knew about Ungoliant prior to going down to the south of Aman to recruit her in destroying the Trees. It’s likely she’s not mysterious to him, it’s just that no one else knows. That the elves specifically don't know.
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Mameluke posted:Ungoliant is from beyond the walls of Night, isn't she? I thought, whatever she was, she was categorically not part of Eru's creation She's not categorically ANYTHING because everything we've got is explicitly the elves going "we don't know this is our best guess." However... she straight up lived in Valinor before Morgoth recruited her. The place where Valar and Maiar live. Which kinda... gestures frantically in a certain direction.
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Aug 18, 2022 01:31
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Personally I find the too often argued take that the Silmarillion is written in the form of an unreliable and biased narrator pretty dumb and really just an unnecessary attempt to be contrarian. This isn't talking about "we can't trust what the text tells us" though, this is specifically talking about the text going "we don't know for sure." The subject of conversation isn't the general case it's Ungoliant Specifically.
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It's not how i personally would've depicted gandalf but it's also not particularly un-gandalf-y either, frankly
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Mar 14, 2023 01:14
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DontMockMySmock posted:Why does The One Ring give you cards (knowledge) at the cost of life (life)? That's basically the opposite of what it does. It extends life, and in exchange makes you less sane. Card draw is in effect, power. The ring gives you power, but at a cost, and the most regular "at a cost" in magic is life. Powerlevel. "There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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All of the established studios have VAST warehouses full of old props that they can dig through to repurpose, even if they don't do it for foreground stuff and important characters it still frees up a ton of budget for the important stuff they can't repurpose any old props for. It turns out it's really really hard to bootstrap that even if you've got a billion dollars to toss at it.
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It was not used for selectively being impossible to actually agree with in order to target arianism, no. The fact that the arians did not in fact agree with it was used to target arianism.
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