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YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
It's a lot easier to edit Arwen out of the movie than to do it for an entire battalion of extras with distinctive armor.

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YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Fellowship is the best one and it's full of goofy adaptation choices that remove all subtletly from their book counterparts. Galadriel's rant is the biggest offender, but you also have Bilbo's monster face, the wizard duel, Gandalf speaking Black Speech in the extended edition, etc. That problem only gets worse with each movie.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Both that scene and Frodo tempting Galadriel with the Ring (herself a Ringbearer, so a prime target) are the clearest example of him using it for its intended use: submitting others to your will.

wrt to the Black Speech scene and others, my objection is mostly toward the general trend of excessive literalism of the adaptation for the sake of spectacle. Some of it was inevitable given the medium, but the seeds of what would become the cartoonish clown show of The Hobbit trilogy were there from the start.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

100YrsofAttitude posted:

Very excited the Bibliothèque Nationale François Mittérand in Paris is getting a Tolkien exhibition Journey to Middle-earth. I wonder if it's like the one that was in NYC? It's running through to February so I'll definitely grab a chance to check it out.

I saw it two days ago, it seemed pretty similar from what I can tell from the NYC pictures, maybe a bit smaller. Lots of people though, had to wait more than one hour and a half to enter the exhibit.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
The Manwë Wasn't There

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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The Ungoliant Games

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Jonathan Livingstone Nazgûl

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Númenórean History X

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Éomerhead

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Are You There Eru? It's Me, Morgoth.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Gil-galadiator

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Dark Mathom

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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The Lonely Mountain (1973)

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Tree Bucket posted:

What We Do In The Shadow (of Mordor)

Where The Wild Shadows Are

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Three Rings: Blue (1993)

Three Rings: White (1994)

Three Rings: Red (1994)

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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A Star Is Celeborn

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Ynglaur posted:

Rise of Ninewalkers

The Wraithful Nine

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
The Bag End of the F***ing World

e: Smial Soldiers

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Data Graham posted:

I guess you had to be there and back again

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I had two versions of this edition with the classic John Howe illustrations on the cover gifted to me the same Christmas.



Though my first exposure to the books was seeing these on shelves:



I'm guessing the bearded guy in the middle is supposed to be Frodo? And the green guy on the right is... Gothmog? Or one of the Ringwraiths?

And my version of The Hobbit had this happy-looking Smaug:

YaketySass fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Jan 19, 2020

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Gotta love how :3: he looks.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I'm always a bit perplexed by the idea that The Lord of the Rings in particular is some sort of endless slug where the narration mentions the story behind every blade of grass, it feels positively breezy compared to the behemoths subsequent fantasy authors wrote.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Oh come on, Gimli's not a football guy, he's the sensitive artistic type.

YaketySass fucked around with this message at 12:10 on May 13, 2020

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Tree Bucket posted:

It's all a multi-lingual pun isn't it? Bag End is just a literal translation of "cul de sac"?

Yes, "cul" is the end or bottom of something, though nowadays it's mostly just used to mean "rear end".

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

VanSandman posted:

They were all vicious imperialists from a far off country, claiming dominion over others by right of conquest. Hardly what I'd call a godly ordained king.

Heaven's pretty far off too.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Well how else are you gonna tell apart the real heir of Isildur from impersonators?

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I thought Gandalf only established that it was a Great Ring once Bilbo's unaging became flagrant enough that he couldn't attribute it to mundane causes?

e: Seems like there's a contradiction here:

The Shadow of the Past posted:

I wondered often how Gollum came by a Great Ring, as plainly it was - that at least was clear from the first.
[...]
‘And all seemed well with Bilbo. And the years passed. Yes, they passed, and they seemed not to touch him. He showed no signs of age. The shadow fell on me again. But I said to myself: “After all he comes of a long-lived family on his mother’s side. There is time yet. Wait!”
[...]
He knows that it is a Great Ring, for it gave long life.

Shouldn't Gandalf expect it to give long life if he was sure it was a Great Ring?

YaketySass fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jul 9, 2020

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Shibawanko posted:

i hated that show from the start though..

the thing is, tolkien doesn't "subvert tropes" and all that poo poo, it's all straight up traditional storytelling: all prophecies come true (even if ironically), vanity is bad, faith and modesty are good, bad guys are bad guys and while heroes aren't always heroes there are some characters that are simply straightforwardly virtuous and act like it. i really quite like this aspect of it because it's not like the cynical "realism" of most shows and offers something that's otherwise not really seen anymore. this also makes it very TV-unfriendly because contemporary TV can't handle virtue and is all about showing fingolfin's secret pornhub account

I mean "subversion" is all relative: everything surrounding the One Ring is pretty drat subversive if your frame of reference is classic sword-and-sorcery storytelling where the hero claims treasures with his might and his big dick, but outside of that it has obvious influences in cautionary tales of morally ambiguous magical power, or Christian notions of humility and divine grace.

YaketySass fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Jul 11, 2020

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

euphronius posted:

- can change size

Is that true? I was under the impression that while bigger than humans it couldn't be the gigantic monster you see in the movie on account that it has to fit through doors, I don't remember any actual reference to its size changing.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I like the round shape the horns give to the head but the general design could have afforded to be a bit less reminiscent of a classic Christian demon, I agree. It looks best in the first few seconds where it's kept in shadow imo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2fwe0rnHak&t=127s

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
one wing to wule them all

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Well fans repeatedly compare his kind to angels.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
if the same person wore the twenty great rings all at once would they put ten on each hand or also use their toes

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

BigglesSWE posted:

Sure, for the sake of the reader, evil is a necessity. But it is a philosophical problem that is ever present whenever you make the claim that the all powerful being (God/Eru) has total control, and is also unquestionably a force of good.

I don't think the quote is saying evil was always part of the plan, but that whatever Melkor decide to do with his free will can never meaningfully threaten nor tarnish the harmony, and that any attempt will ultimately be counter-productive. He only has the tools Eru gave him, and they're not enough to vindicate his rebellion nor surpass his creator no matter what he does with them.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Waterbed Wendy posted:



honhonhon but what eef bilbo's clothes are ramen noodles?

Even for someone who stole from Smaug gold chainmail slippers are kinda tacky.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Don't think a Hobbit who's never left the Shire is the best judge of human proportions.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Runcible Cat posted:

WORLD'S MOST EVIL LIGHTHOUSE

is there a lot of masturbation going on in that one

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Ultiville posted:

I agree he was well-cast, but ACOUP has a good critique in the Helm’s Deep series pointing out that he’s vastly less competent in the films, in part because Jackson messes with the military details and in part because he seems to have wanted to make Aragorn look better. I’m also not sure how much that really comes across to a casual viewer though.

OTOH the series makes the point that the film version of Theoden has Gandalf advising him to not go to Hornburg when that's the correct strategic decision, so maybe it's all relative.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I would settle for a Silmarillion version of The Animatrix, would be dope.

Shibawanko posted:

too bad klaus kinski is no longer around to play feanor
lmbo

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YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I feel like it's less that Tolkien was unaware of race issues and more that he didn't see representation as important for its own sake the way we do today. At least, not in his fantasy epic of distinctly European inspiration.

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