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Jordan7hm posted:It’s not a podcast, but Carlin has a new substack and, uh. Personally I think it is Earth-built tech but from sometime in the pre-hyperborean past (and here via time travel)
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Carlin was on Mysterious Universe back near the start of the pandemic, that was kind of a warning sign. IMO while he doesn't have a podcast so doesn't qualify for this thread, Jason Colavito has done more heavy lifting than anyone in going through why all this current UFO/UAP stuff is bullshit and his longtime coverage of History Channel BS really does kind of serve as a longform exploration of the rise of parapolitics in the modern US and how so much of it from the early 2010s laid the rhetorical and cultural groundwork for Trump-era political craziness.
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Jul 27, 2023 16:48
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ITT people who never listened to common sense
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Can I recommend history youtube channels here? My favorite old Dan Carlin podcasts were the Mongol series and I recently found this History Dose channel that has a similar vibe. It's two guys: one historian and one artist. The historian writes the scripts and the artist provides custom illustrations. Here's the unofficial Mongol invasion series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92-440OR2ik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfUSOYCRNVY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPKX6K2u8Tc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZflNk5uQY They've also got videos on Vikings, Romans, Native Americans, and Caribbean Pirates. Really good production values.
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Jordan7hm posted:It’s not a podcast, but Carlin has a new substack and, uh. He's just fully embracing the History Channel Dad vibe that he's had for years. Honestly there are worse deep ends off of which to go these days IMO.
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The social media blitz for the next season of blowback is really getting some traction https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/1684653947888267264?s=20
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Arrhythmia posted:Wife asked for a good podcast about the cold war. any suggestions. doesn't need to be a dedicated podcast either, just a couple episodes of something else should do. The most recent season of Blowback (outside of the one that's coming out imminently) about the Korean War, the episodes of Inward Empire about the Diem years in Vietnam, and the episodes of Conflicted: A History Podcast about the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan are all quite good and Cold War-y if she's looking for war podcasts. The Blowback season about Cuba is also good but the Korea season left more of an impression on me. If you're looking for something about domestic Cold War politics I'd look for podcasts that had Rick Perlstein as a guest, not necessarily as an endorsement of everything he says but because he's fairly active on the podcast guest circuit and focuses on the evolution of American conservatism in post-war America, which is obviously driven in large part in reaction to the Cold War.
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Thwomp posted:Can I recommend history youtube channels here? My favorite old Dan Carlin podcasts were the Mongol series and I recently found this History Dose channel that has a similar vibe. It's two guys: one historian and one artist. The historian writes the scripts and the artist provides custom illustrations. Big thanks for posting this channel. Already watched about 5 of them and they are fantastic.
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While we're on the technically-not-a-podcast bend, I'm looking for anything about prison colonies right now, particularly during the imperial/pre-industrial/age of sail period. I'll definitely listen to a podcast, but I'm also open to videos that are a cut above youtube thumbnail pop history, or well-written articles. I'll post anything interesting I find once I finish up my hunt.
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Jul 29, 2023 23:50
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Season 4 of Empire is going to be about the Russian Empire 
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Hopefully this will stop the psycho-nutters from continually messaging them with whataboutisms (this will not).
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Ready https://twitter.com/deep_beige/status/1693685917662212271?s=46 Edit: lol if you want it to embed you have to manually change the cops link from x.com to Twitter.com
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What the gently caress. My blowback subscription expired last week. I'll wait for impressions to decide if to renew. I didn't finish the Korea season because, and I really hate to say this, it felt just like it's being contrarian for the sake of it - going 100% on AMERICA EVIL with some tankie vibes. I'm as much of a cynic as anyone, and I don't have any warm feelings towards America (I don't live there) but it seemed like it was passing some threshold that I found hard to take seriously.
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Having just completed a cross country road trip during which I listened to almost all three seasons of Blowback, I had the opposite reaction honestly. The first two seasons contained a lot of the creators own opinions mixed in with the historical recollection, meanwhile S3 felt like a recitation of researched historical facts well backed up by numerous sources. 
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There's really no way to cover the US involvement in supporting the mujahedeen without first giving background on the Soviet invasion itself, so I feel like it'll be pretty apparent if they're aiming for objectivity or not then they cover that. I don't think there's really any way to say the Soviets were the good guys in that war, even if you understandably hate everything about the particular factions the US through Pakistan chose to support.
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Aug 22, 2023 19:14
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How would one describe the Korean war without portraying the US as 100% evil?
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COPE 27 posted:How would one describe the Korean war without portraying the US as 100% evil? Presumably how it was "taught" when I was in HS. Very high level: US good Soviets bad, NK was an authoritarian shithole backed by Stalin that would have destroyed the free and democratic south so our boys had to go over there to defend them, also we totally would have won if Truman hadn't been a bitch and let MacArthur carry out the war to the extent that he wanted. If Syngman Rhee was ever mentioned it was just to name drop SK's president, there was certainly absolutely nothing about the fact that he was himself carrying out brutal purges of his own civilians with at best tacit and at worst outright approval from the US. And there was definitely nothing about the US's repeated attempts during and after the war to sabotage any kind of peace talks or re-unification plan that involved communists as anything besides a fine red mist.
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COPE 27 posted:How would one describe the Korean war without portraying the US as 100% evil? The North invaded the South, the US went in to help against the aggressors. Easy.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:There's really no way to cover the US involvement in supporting the mujahedeen without first giving background on the Soviet invasion itself, so I feel like it'll be pretty apparent if they're aiming for objectivity or not then they cover that. I don't think there's really any way to say the Soviets were the good guys in that war, even if you understandably hate everything about the particular factions the US through Pakistan chose to support. The soviets were trying to bail out the socialist government being attacked by jihadis the US and Pakistan were supporting well in advance of the soviet invasion. The radical agenda of the socialist government that was intolerable to the US was equality for women, universal education, and land reform.
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WDF's interpretation of the Korean war was pretty interesting to me, although it's where the vast majority of my knowledge of the war come from ( I knew next to nothing about it beforehand) so I can't really fact check it. Basically, Zack puts forward the idea that the war was actively orchestrated by Stalin as a mean to ultimately sever China from the west and force Mao to tie himself to the Soviet Union. As for the US, they were perfectly aware of what was going on, but Truman was keen on letting it happen, going so far as to purposely leave South Korea weak and vulnerable as to encourage invasion by the north, all so he could justify the massive increase in the defense budget he had planned. There's a lot more he puts forward that I'm not gonna go over, but apparently his interpretation of the war pissed off a lot of his listeners. I honestly don't know how right he is about the whole thing, but it's rather convincing because he's not just pulling stuff out of his rear end and is basing himself from declassified documents that weren't available at the time most of the histories were made.
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COPE 27 posted:How would one describe the Korean war without portraying the US as 100% evil? I'll be honest, I don't remember the podcast well enough to get into the weeds and I'm certainly not an expert (I listened to the WDF podcast which as said had an I common take). What I generally mean is there is a difference between portraying evil actions and someone doing stuff just cuz "they're evil". I can't be specific but that's what I remember feeling like when I listened to the Korean war season specifically, like it's not really an objective reading of the history but a reading by someone who is ANGRY.
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COPE 27 posted:How would one describe the Korean war without portraying the US as 100% evil? When I was taught the Korean war it was always in the context of it being the 'Forgotten War', as if the Vietnam war had somehow reached back in time and erased all records of 1950s Korea. We'd get the basic rundown - NK pushes the US back to Busan, we counterattack up to the Chinese border, the Chinese get involved and push us back to current borders - and then we're on to Vietnam. No stopping for morals just a quick recitation of how lines moved on a map because it's the Forgotten War, WWII is more heroic and the chickens never fully came home to roost like Vietnam so what's to learn from it, right? We did learn MacArthur was wrong to want to use nukes though, so there's one for northeast liberal schools I guess.
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adebisi lives posted:The soviets were trying to bail out the socialist government being attacked by jihadis the US and Pakistan were supporting well in advance of the soviet invasion. The radical agenda of the socialist government that was intolerable to the US was equality for women, universal education, and land reform. Rushing to defend the government by sending in spec ops to murder the president and his family was an interesting strat to be sure. Killing an order of magnitude more Afghan civilians than the US did in 20 years was too.
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kiminewt posted:I'll be honest, I don't remember the podcast well enough to get into the weeds and I'm certainly not an expert (I listened to the WDF podcast which as said had an I common take). That wasn't my take on the Korean War series at all, to be honest. There's plenty of hosed up poo poo there, but I don't think anything was ever presented as evil for the sake of it. The people prosecuting the war clearly thought they were doing the right thing, and that the ends justified the means - even though the means are seriously hosed up and the ends aren't any better. The show is called Blowback, and it's pretty explicitly about the unintended consequences of endless poorly-considered foreign policy interventions, so from that perspective of course it's going to be written by someone who's angry about it. Honestly - an "objective reading of the history" is not really a thing that's even possible. Ultimately you'll always have to decide what gets included and what doesn't, and it's not really possible to do that in an objective way.
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Rushing to defend the government by sending in spec ops to murder the president and his family was an interesting strat to be sure. Killing an order of magnitude more Afghan civilians than the US did in 20 years was too. The president they killed purged a bunch of other socialists and was doing such a bad job the KGB was convinced he must be working for the CIA. I'm not going to defend the actions of the Soviet Union here but it's far more complicated than the evil red menace sweeping through a peaceful country to enslave a bunch of rustic farmers. The Soviets were more concerned that the US/Pakistan was going to turn the place into a launchpad for destabilizing the central Asian Soviet republics which isn't any more irrational or evil than domino theory and the US killing millions of people in southeast Asia and Latin America around this same time frame. Sorry to spoil some of the more interesting plot points of the next season of Blowback.
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kiminewt posted:I'll be honest, I don't remember the podcast well enough to get into the weeds and I'm certainly not an expert (I listened to the WDF podcast which as said had an I common take). There is no such thing as objective history and you should be incredibly skeptical of someone claiming otherwise.
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Danger posted:There is no such thing as objective history and you should be incredibly skeptical of someone claiming otherwise. There's not, but there's still a difference between trying to find and report the truth as best you can vs creating a narrative that flatters your priors. I'm not saying the latter is what they're doing here, just that objectively being impossible doesn't mean it's a worthless concept.
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I finished the new season of Blowback. It was a lot to take in and other than the fact I enjoy listening I don't really know what to say about it. One thing I didn't get was what point they were trying to make on Ukraine at the end? It felt like just a general "really makes you think, huh?" which is out of place.
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How about any podcasts similar to the firmer SRB podcast (Sean's Russia Blog) now called the Eurasian Knot? Open to different regions though I would be most interested in SEA topics
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kiminewt posted:One thing I didn't get was what point they were trying to make on Ukraine at the end? It felt like just a general "really makes you think, huh?" which is out of place. I've not watched the new season yet but they wouldn't be the first to draw parallels between Russia's invasions of Afghanistan and Ukraine. Russia invades a neighbor, thinks it's going to be a steamroll but it instead quickly turns into a quagmire, the US backs the defender and dumps roughly infinite dollars and guns into the region to stymie Russia's advance. In terms of Blowback's overall theme as a podcast, presumably the parallel is being drawn because historically when the US has flooded a conflict zone with a ton of money and arms the long term ramifications for both that area and the US have not been great. That said, I think there's a very big difference between the US backing a bunch of clandestine militias and factionalized warlords in Afghanistan vs backing the legitimate government of a developed modern nation in Ukraine. I won't pretend that anything close to all of that support being provided is actually ending up in the proper hands, but I also don't see Ukraine devolving into a extremist failed state post-war, regardless of the outcome.
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Sydin posted:That said, I think there's a very big difference between the US backing a bunch of clandestine militias and factionalized warlords in Afghanistan vs backing the legitimate government of a developed modern nation in Ukraine. I won't pretend that anything close to all of that support being provided is actually ending up in the proper hands, but I also don't see Ukraine devolving into a extremist failed state post-war, regardless of the outcome. I do know I've heard some hand-wringing over what Ukraine will do after the invasion with all these armaments to hand, but I find it extraordinarily unlikely it would be anything like what some have suggested.
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Blowback made a pretty prolonged argument that the Soviets did not at all think that they would “steamroll” Afghanistan. Brzezinski openly bragged about luring the Soviets in and purposefully doing everything possible to prolong the invasion even as the Soviets were desperate for a way out. Pretty sure that’s the comparison to Ukraine. Danger fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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Danger posted:Blowback made a pretty prolonged argument that the Soviets did not at all think that they would “steamroll” Afghanistan. Brzezinski openly bragged about luring the Soviets in and purposefully doing everything possible to prolong the invasion even as the Soviets were desperate for a way out. This might be a tangent, but did they go into how Brzezinski lured them in? I've seen this claim before but no evidence or detail was provided as to how this was done.
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Count Roland posted:This might be a tangent, but did they go into how Brzezinski lured them in? I've seen this claim before but no evidence or detail was provided as to how this was done. By illegally arming the mujihadeen and supporting other sectarian violence against the government. Danger fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Sep 15, 2023 |
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If anyone is interested in the 1970s Project Cybersyn effort to create cybernetic socialism in Chile, there's a recent nine part podcast with extensive research that went into it I just came across, The Santiago Boys: https://the-santiago-boys.com/ I knew the basics of Cybersyn but this really puts the entire context to light in a way I had no idea about, and goes deep into the conditions of Chile and Allende's government at the time. Also, I never knew what a weird guy Stafford Beer was. Highly recommend it if cybernetics and/or Cold War South America is of interest to you.
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Chairman Capone posted:If anyone is interested in the 1970s Project Cybersyn effort to create cybernetic socialism in Chile, there's a recent nine part podcast with extensive research that went into it I just came across, The Santiago Boys: +1 recommendation for this. I've listened to a couple podcast episodes and read a few articles about Allende here and there (especially with the 50th anniversary earlier this month) and this was probably the best, both at explaining what happened and placing it in a regional context (which, minus the Fidel Castro cameo, seems to be absent from most retellings).
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Yeah, the many Brazilian connections in particular was something I had no idea about before listening to it.
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I have been listening to We’re Not So Different for a while in spite of Luke being an awful co-host, but I think it’s better if I listen to something that I actually like instead of enduring half a podcast. Any suggestions for Medieval history podcasts?
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It just left medieval history (again) but I've been enjoying this season of Rex Factor, which is currently doing one-off biography episodes of all the royal consorts of Britain (they've previously done English/British kings, Scottish kings, and I think Anglo-Saxon kings; I haven't listened to any of those seasons but I imagine they're also fun).
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For people who like Blowback, the two hosts are on the latest episode of the QAnon Anonymous podcast in a quasi-tie-in to their current season, talking about the internet conspiracy theory about US soldiers killing a Biblical giant in Afghanistan.
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