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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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This latest HH was the first time Dan's mangling of pronunciation actually got to me. I listened to audiobooks of A World Undone and Guns of August over the last 2 months, so hearing him stumble over General Lanrezac, Crown Prince Rupprecht and the river Meuse was a little jarring. I didn't actually pay too much attention to Part 1, but his show notes are a good source of books to look out for instead.

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gradenko_2000
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Yeah having countries join NATO so that they can't be threatened by Russia (or any other hypothetical expansionist power) is precisely the point. Part of the reason behind the Ossetian conflict was giving Ukraine a warning over getting to cozy with the West, and it's arguable that Putin made his move on Ukraine recently because it might have been his last chance before Ukraine became as off-limits as the Baltic states.

gradenko_2000
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I think the one that turned me off from Common Sense was his off-hand dismissal of the shutdown crisis as "a distraction". I guess I'm just one of those people that can't quite separate an author;s views from his works, so I just stayed away from it since then because I really enjoy Hardcore History otherwise.

gradenko_2000
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Maduo posted:

I think the thing that bothers me most about Common Sense is the horribly cheesy intros, and those are talk radio as gently caress.

That's actually my favorite part of the podcast :shobon:

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Drunkboxer posted:

I couldn't get enough of History of Rome and would listen to a couple a day, but got burned out on Revolutions within a few episodes and at this point would need to restart it to remember what was going on. I don't know if I just OD'd on the host or if I just liked Roman history better.

I had to skip the English revolution part because I just couldn't get into it, but I don't know if that was just my own lack of context/interest or if the first few episodes really were that rough, but the American revolution held my attention just fine.

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Eggie posted:

I like the idea of history podcasts but this Hardcore History sounds way too dense for me. I'd like a more abridged history podcast. I'm not really deep into podcasts so I don't know where to look for something like that. Wondering if anyone could help me.

It already is an abridged view of history - there's just a lot to talk about and describe (and make boxing analogies of).

gradenko_2000
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That Carlin sounds like a talk radio host isn't a coincidence because he used to be one, and on his political podcast he's straight up admitted that he does sound like a conspiracy theorist sometimes

gradenko_2000
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Throatwarbler posted:

Yuck, I think you guys have put your finger on why I couldn't stand Dan Carlin's podcasts, I was never quite articulate (or cared) enough to put it into words myself. It also doesn't help that the topics he's covering happpen to be ones that I had already done a fair amount of reading already, and I didn't need somene tell me in such an elaborate and breathless manner that yep, a lot of people sure did die in Stalingrad. That's not the podcast's fault though.

I'm sort of at the point now with regards to WW1, WW2 and Roman stuff where a Carlin podcast wouldn't really tell me anything more that I didn't already know and/or would just be a refresher, but it was his Fall of the Roman Republic series that got me started on this serious history-buff schtick that's still going strong 2 years later, and his one-off episodes like the ones about the Munster Anabaptists or American imperialism at thee turn of the 20th century are still pretty cool because I'd be approaching it from the perspective of someone who knows nothing about the topic at hand. It's just that he also tends to produce episodes so slowly that if it's a series, you can pick up all the reference books he mentions in the liner notes and beat him to the rest of the content directly on top of what you might already know prior.

gradenko_2000
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Personally I found the English Revolution too confusing to follow and I may just come back to it later, but the American and French Revolutions were great.

gradenko_2000
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I read this one book that was just about a month! August 1914

gradenko_2000
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Gyges posted:

Memorizing dates is far less important than simple chronological knowledge anyway. Chronology helps with context more than precise dates and makes it easier for students who are never going to play Jeopardy on Historic Dates night, let alone do actual historical work.

An alternative approach I read about with regards to teaching history was to abandon the idea of starting from 3000 BC in the first place. A student arguably is not going to care about the Ancient Egyptians unless you really make a concerted effort to make it interesting, but you might have better traction with starting in the now and tracing it back to how things got that way.

Like, ISIS versus the Kurds in the north vs the Shi'a in the south: how did things get that way? You go back to how Saddam held the country together at the barrel of a gun, and then how Iraq as a country was formed with little-to-no regard to ethnoreligious divides in the first place because Sykes-Picot was mostly an economic thing, which then winds you further back to what Iraq was like under the Ottomans, etc etc etc

History ends up being a target for being politicized because some people figure that if it's not being used for indoctrination, it doesn't really do anything, because they don't know that history is a skill insofar as whenever you run into A Thing, you'll want to dig into its past to get perspective and context.

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TontoCorazon posted:

I love that he talks about the kind of person we needed to run those kind of wars and the fact that we can't really deal with them after the war is over. It's something you never hear about in like anything.

I think it was in either Max Hastings' Armageddon or Normandy where he talked about how Patton would have been right at home serving with Guderian or Rommel or Zhukov or Chuikov, and the Allies needed a general that was that aggressive, but it was those very same qualities that made him incompatible with serving in the army of a democratic nation.

gradenko_2000
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Someone on D&D linked to My History Can Beat Up Your Politics and I think it's just great. The host's voice reminds me a lot of Dan Carlin, except he speaks much slower, doesn't get lost in boxing analogies and doesn't sound so conspiratorial/AM radio shock jock.

I've so far listened to an episode where he talks about Nixon, and the part where he explains the Anna Chennault affair is particularly topical as of the last 2-3 days.

gradenko_2000
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Swagger Dagger posted:

It's just a buck a show, Ben needs to eat.

If there is a Ben

gradenko_2000
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Big thanks to whoever in this thread recommended The Dollop. It's one of two podcasts that have ever made me laugh out loud in public. I started with Cassius Clay, then moved on to Anthony Comstock, Ralph Neves and Centralia and every single one has been incredible.

Also, I'd like to rep My History Can Beat Up Your Politics again. The recent LBJ and Tehran Embassy episodes were great and it's quickly become my replacement for Dan Carlin's Common Sense: current events with historical context, but without the crappy libertarian aftertaste.

gradenko_2000
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My non-Hardcore History podcasts are currently Revolutions, My History Can Beat Up Your Politics (really cannot give this enough love), Pritzker Military Library Podcast, The History Network Podcast and The Dollop.

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TheFallenEvincar posted:

Is the Red Scare ep good, by the way? I don't remember listening to it in full but I thought I remember him deciding to do a contrarian "weeeell, what if it was justified".
It's been a while, but I don't recall anything particularly bad out of the Red Scare episode. What stuck with me was his analogy that the socialist idea of "leveling" was a sort of "ideological virus" that started in Revolutionary France, was carried all across Europe by Napoleon, and then England, Germany, Spain, Russia, and eventually the United States all suffered from "outbreaks"

gradenko_2000
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Offler posted:

Ugh!

The 10 American Presidents podcast on Nixon by Dan Carlin is just impossible to listen to, at least if you're anything like me and hate being constantly interrupted by sound clips accompanied by some kind of lovely soundtrack.
I'm imaging a history podcast done by morning radio show jocks with lots of soundboard effects and its hilarious

"And then, just as the BEF was cornered at Dunkirk, Hitlers orders the Panzers to stop!"
*laugh track*
AAAOOOOGA!
DING DING DING!

gradenko_2000
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The Dollop is legit good and I'm glad they're biweekly because I blaze through them quickly.

I recommend the episode on Colonial Teeth :getin:

gradenko_2000
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Episode 83 - Boxer Tim "The Doc" Anderson is really good because Dave actually knows his stuff on that one.

Random Stranger posted:

Yeah, when they get into politics I want to say, "Don't be on my side guys."

I dunno they seem to be pretty well aligned with D&D lefties as far as having a disdain for capitalism.

gradenko_2000
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The latest Dollop though about the Omaha riots was just loving dire. By the second half you could feel Dave and Gary just struggling to find something to laugh about and coming up empty.

gradenko_2000
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I'm not even shocked considering the sort of stuff Dan gets into in Common Sense. Who's next? Bill Maher? John Schnatter? The ghost of Bill Buckley?

gradenko_2000
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The recent My History Can Beat Up Your Politics I thought was excellent as it gave a bunch of context to Neville Chamberlain. My usual retort to people comparing Obama or whoever to Chamberlain is to ask them what Chamberlain actually did on Sep 2 1939, but apparently he was also an advocate of balanced-budget economics, headed up the UK's pre-war rearmament, and was a fierce anti-communist.

One wonders what might have happened had he managed to retain the premiership past the Norway debacle.

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This podcast is so good it's dangerous. I've started doing dishes and housework just so I can hide in the back of the house with my headphones.

Not ashamed to say that I do this too. I also don't mind taking the longer way around while driving.

gradenko_2000
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skooma512 posted:

At that point he might as well make it a book

It just wouldn't be the same without Carlin's verbal tics.

gradenko_2000
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Antti posted:

after every mention of the war was annotated by re-enactor musket shots and horses clopping along, I gave it up.

This doesn't bode well for the LBJ episode having a constant backdrop of Fortunate Son and helicopter chop.

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gradenko_2000
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I thought the latest one was great as far as setting up context for the whole thing about "Reagan isn't really a conservative, relative today's candidates/officeholders" that liberals often use as gotchas against the modern GOP.

I do agree though that the recorded clips pale in comparison to, say, John Dickerson's Whistlestop counterparts.

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