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Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I'm just happy to have more non-western stuff. As enjoyable as Ostfront and etc have been, most English-speaking history podcasts tend to focus on what the white man is up to in his little corner of the world. Good eppo; I hope he gets into Japanese society throughout the war and what came after.

Still killed me every time he said "Shogunite" tho.

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Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I'm guessing from the multiple !!!! that the above poster is making a funny, though someone should issue Dan "the pregnant challenge." If he wins, he gets to name the baby after his favorite boxer.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

webmeister posted:

I'd have a hard time believing that anyone interested enough in history to listen to an in-depth podcast like Revolutions wouldn't already be at least partially aware of what happened to Louis and Marie Antoinette

They make it out okay, right? :ohdear:

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Yikes. I don't mind dumb ad pitches, but maybe extreme cases of murder and etc isn't the best association for a product.

I'm up to the part in Revolutions where Mike is hawking his book, and he's forceful and amusing enough to never really get on my nerves. "Just buy it, it's really good, you'll like it, and I'll get to be a New York Times best seller! It's a win-win for both of us."

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but Behind the Bastards is my most recent favorite "woke" history podcast. It's surprising sometimes how things like Hitler's sex life or the history of Oregon can relate to modern social issues. The podcast starts off a little on the side of "comedians laughing at everything" but I think it strikes a good balance of examination and humor after a few episodes.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I recall him saying that he doesn't plan to do any revolutions that are far from the east / Asian, or that he doesn't plan to do non-western revolutions, but idk. Seems like he's doing whatever fits into his wheelhouse, or whatever revolutions that are deemed important to western history.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I feel the same way about Our Fake History when he does things that are clearly bullshit. Like I don't mind when they're just about mythology like the Arthurian legends, but WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS is some seriously History Channel level of nonsense.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I'm still in the bag for Austin Walker, but Robert hasn't put out a tabletop roleplaying podcast yet (that I know of).

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Coronavirus has really taken everything from us. I got like six episodes of Worst Year Ever to get through and every time I'm out, I want to listen to something that isn't frustrating/depressing :U.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

GunFondler42069 posted:

it's pretty wild that my podcast about the Syrian Civil War is the most upbeat content I will produce this year

Not if you drag Cody/Katy/Sophie into a live play podcast! ;)


That aside: As a born West Virginian and native Appalachian, I really appreciate your Blair Mountain episode. It's such a huge part of why this region is the way it is (and other rural communities in the US by extension), and yet I have relatives living barely miles from where the shots were fired who know nothing about their people's history. The narrative of the company man has won out and been deeply rooted; frankly, it's heartbreaking, but content like this can at least help shed some light.

Also, I've met Michael Kline and his wife a couple times. :v: So weird to hear people you know of cited on a machete-centric podcast.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

The Segal episode is great not only because he's a stupid mini-trump, but primarily because seanbaby is a straight up funny guy. I wish he was on more stuff.


My favorite is still the ones about the Battle of Blair Mountain. Excellent episodes that really touch on just how brutal authority figures were in rural regions. Hell, still are in some cases.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I actually like the "by subject" nature of The China History Podcast; sometimes, I just wanna hear about Romance of the Three Kingdoms without prefacing it with 2000+ years of ancient history.

It'd be neat if someone arranged his work into chronological order for a different podcast feed, tho that might be hard to do with subjects like the history of tea spanning multiple eras.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I know it's jokes, but there probably isn't that much of interest about Lowtax himself. Something something, he got punched by Uwe Boll once.

An episode about Something Awful and all of the (awful) things that spiraled out of it could be fun, though. From 4chan to Gamergate. The episode with the Hotwheels interview is probably the closest we've gotten to a goon episode.

Robert, you're doing god's work. :patriot: Try not to burn yourself out if you can help it.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I feel like he does best when he describes a unique moment in history, like stalingrad, munster or the one with all the sharks. There isn't much interesting to gain from "the Japanese had this very narrow win condition, aaaand... They hosed it up, here's four more hours of podcast"

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I've heard good things about Lions Led By Donkeys, which is about lovely commanders loving up common soldiers through their pride/vanity/stupidity, tho I haven't had a chance to give a listen myself.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I listen to like 40 podcasts and I have never heard of Bunga Bunga. My least favorite ads are the ones that have the words "Ron Burgundy" in them.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I can't even remember what was in the last one. Battle of Midway? Was that the one with all of the romanticizing of known shitheel general mcdoug? The shark episode maybe? The one with all the Shogunites?

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Now to decide if I should re-listen to the entirety of the russian revolution a second time in anticipation or just wait a week and hope I didn't forget anything. Maybe I'll start with Bloody Sunday and go from there

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I tried it and I liked some of the topics but I couldn't stand all of SFX mixing. If you're gonna put that in make it like 5% of the speaker's volume, not almost louder than the speaker

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I'm slightly curious and it's in my feed, but if you wanna take that bullet for us, I'll gladly wait.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

New releases are seldom, but each are so well made that they're worth a re-listen.


Meanwhile, this Carlin guy... I'm starting to think you could make a drinking game over how often he cites a right wing crackpot as his sources.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

The length doesn't bother me too much (I already listen to like a dozen multi-hour podcasts :v:), but I agree that he'd benefit if someone cut him off at 2 hours and released that content as he went along. That'd at least double his rate of releases and wouldn't impact much other than maybe his own internal production methods, which I imagine are the sticking point. But whatevs. I treat his content as a neat thing to save for when I need to do something long and tedious, and I don't need to pay as much attention to the podcast as an audiobook or more succinct/in-depth history shows. Just don't listen to Common Sense.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

WW2 is a hella interesting period of history and still very relevant to society across the globe today, but my prob is the same everyone's mentioned when it comes to detailing stuff that's already fairly well established. Ghosts of the Ostfront was great because it had very little to do with American involvement and emphasized how much of the war happened in the east; if you have an American history education, you're kinda just vaguely aware a lot of russian people died and then we did a D-day and ended the war.

The stuff with the Japanese perspective is interesting, but nowadays I dunno if I trust Carlin to do great by that. So I take it with a grain of salt, or compare what I know from other history sources.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I don't listen to many podcast ad rolls anymore, but when I do I'm happy when it's something normal. Like where to go for gambling in my state or ethical, pay-what-you-want porn sites. A Gene Wolfe podcast I listen to does fake ads, and even puts in their episode descriptions "brought to you by (gag product)".

History related: to bandwagon the recs, History of Philosophy without any gaps will fill a bunch of your time and is fairly plain in its delivery. Can't go wrong with China History Podcast either.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I was into Our Fake History until he started doing subjects that either didn't have much of a story, or was obviously false like "did aliens build the pyramids." I think he's trying to speak to a younger audience and disprove some of the more dangerous conspiracy theories out there, which is part and parcel with the pod title and not a bad thing at all, but I get that stuff well enough from my more in depth pods.

His podcasting style is also like he's always stretching for time. Between the intro, his second intro, the ads, his slow and deliberate delivery method, and the patreon shill, there's like 15-20 minutes of podcast in every episode.


/complaining over. Our Fake History is a good pod. I might go back to it now that a certain gaming podcast is ending today and I'll need another two hours of listening filled.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Snowy posted:

Which one?

Giant Beastcast, yeah. Giant Bombcast seems like it'll truck along but maybe not in a form that will be totally recognizable to us who have been listening to the same dudes for a decade plus.


I am reminded that Revolutions is going to finish soon too, so that'll be another staple of my podcast diet out. Fortunately(?) Duncan is having Life happen to him over and over, which has the side effect of extending the end of the Russian Revolution, which is probably a ways off anyway.

This whole week has got me thinking about how long some people have been doing this. Like how long has Carlin been making these, lol? Feels like he's been doing it for thirty years. CHP, Philosophy and History of English are all over or near the 10-year mark, too. Behind the Bastards has only been going for three but Robert sounds burned out with all the work, activism, being part of the American political discourse, and also spending several hours a week reading and writing about literally the worst people in the world.

That dude is just gonna run off into the woods one day and his producer is going to be like :shrug:

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Lions Led by Donkeys is the podcast I keep meaning to listen to. Heard the host guest on a couple other pods and he seemed like a cool dude.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I'm usually fine with him, but I take Carlin with a grain of salt after he sourced David Grossman on one of his previous episodes. AKA, the guy who helped invent the modern police state via bullshit he made up about human psychology.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Lions Led by Donkeys jumped up to #3 on the listening list for podcasts this year and I only started two months ago, so consider me a convert. Someone from here encouraged me to listen a year or two ago, and it lived on a to-do list on my phone until recent. :doh:

They have a generally progressive stance. The host and all the guests/co-hosts having been in the US military for years and their brains are kind of melted, but in a fun way. Their humor is ribald and can be extremely funny if you're the kind of person who reflexively imagines weird things as they're described; most podcasts have an air of "hanging out with the guys" though there are some where they serious up a bit when handling subjects like genocides and war criminals, or then-recent news like the insurrection.

A few episodes have bad audio and like most podcasts it takes a few for them to hit their stride, but overall, can't complain. I think the host gets better at research as time goes on, and he's pretty open with how he only uses publicly available internet sources in most cases.

He talks about Caro in one of the episodes, lol. It's kind of interesting to hear his take on Something Awful as someone who sounds like he didn't really use it much.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I need to hop on for that one. Read the book like a decade ago, heard there was a lot wrong with it since but haven't listened to all the arguments in one place.

Is the last Dan Carlin ep worth listening to, meltdown aside? I assume it covers the nuking/surrender of Japan, right?

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I think the general sentiment is that people with a platform, especially those who couch themselves in legitimacy, should do the due dill and make sure their advertising partners or guests or w/e aren't monsters. Everyone makes mistakes, and I had to dig past wikipedia to find allegations, but it takes like a minute and keeps bad people from getting eyeballs and earholes.

I doubt the Our Fake History guy was like "MeToo'd? More like advertise with MeDude!" Everyone lives a busy life and things slip between the cracks. But, ya know.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Nicky is a prime lesson of how power can make what would otherwise be a normal (and flawed) person act on a world in such a way that leads to the death and suffering of millions. There are people like Nicholas in everyone's lives -- racist, not very clever or imaginative, their view of the world colored for life by some bullshit they were raised to believe, but also totally capable of love and acts of selflessness.

That's what is truly scary about power. You don't have to be a monster, but concentrate enough resources into few enough people and they will do monstrous things. Take a weird uncle from your family or kid in class from your elementary school, tell them their entire life that they're divinely appointed and have absolute power over 90 million people, and they too will destroy countless lives just as happenstance to wielding that kind of power.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I feel like the only ads I get from history podcasts are either from the podcaster themselves, or it's an ad for another podcast, usually true crime or some terrible comedy show. Ron Burgundy used to be everywhere.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I find one of Knowledge Fight's two hosts a little... "too excited" for my tastes, but I might tune in just to hear that interview.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

EP17 Engineering Victory with Elon posted:

Elon Musk and Bill Riley from SpaceX join Dan to discuss the underappreciated role of science and engineering in war. As you might imagine, military aircraft feature prominently in the conversation.

1. The Wages of destruction by Adam Tooze
2. The Art of War by Sun Tzu 
3.The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy by Adam Tooze

Ah yes, the underappreciated role of spending trillions to blow up poor people from the stratosphere or develop weapons systems that can end all life on earth.

I like that the Art of War gets cited.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Does Mike even say his name at the start of most episodes? Dan Carlin at least gets some name mention at the top and bottom.

Speaking of Carlin Content that no one listened to, did anyone listen to the Coda for Supernova in the East? iirc it's like two hours long and supposed to heap even more onto the pacific theater saga. I can't imagine it elevates the content at all, but there was that last episode where he comes to some truly unhinged conclusions about how genocides might be a good thing, maybe, I'm just asking questions

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I tried listening to SRB but couldn't get into it. Is there a rec for his greatest hits?

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

I've been listening to Sunday School Dropouts, a show where a former Christian and a non-believer read through the bible a book at a time. They're not experts, but they are perhaps the cutest couple in podcast history and their rapport is very charming.

They started the pod just as trump became a political figure, so occasionally they mention him. And of course, the bible itself is a huge part of how politics have developed in the west and modern American culture, and they talk about that when it is relevant. But it's also a lot of "gee wiz is Paul ever gonna shut up about foreskins" and otherwise treating the bible as a book club. I think it's fun but YMMV.

Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

Yeah I'm curious if he has another deranged rant like with the end of the Pacific series, all the better if someone wants to take one for the team and share with the thread.

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Appoda
Oct 30, 2013

buglord posted:

I still can’t believe that strange take of his made it out into the world. You’d think he’d be a little more careful about handling that sort of subject more tactfully. Gonna be wild to see how these other episodes come out. I’ll wait till a brave goon clears it for us.

"Listen folks, Nazi Germany killed SO many people, they were bound to have gotten a few genociders put down along the way. Who knows, maybe they would've been even worse than Hitler! I'm just asking, what if there's a silver lining to this whole Holocaust business."

Just an astonishing ten minutes of audio.

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