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ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

I've been a fan of Hardcore History since a goon turned me onto it a few years ago. The 4 part "Ghosts of the Ostfront" episodes which covers the WW2 Eastern Front (GER vs. RUS) is a loving masterwork as far as long form podcasts go. The episodes are riveting/horrifying and at 4 parts I feel the length is just right. I've listened to the Ostfront series probably 5 times over the last couple years.

I subscribe to lots of podcasts of all different genres but nothing makes me happier than when a new Hardcore History shows up in the feed. That being said I'm much more a fan of (relatively) modern history vs. the ancient stuff so I'm happy that he is done with the Khan series.

Outside of the stellar Ostfront 4 parter (it's available as a single audio book now) I'd recommend other WW2 buffs to purchase the "back issues" titled -

"The Organization of Peace" - Details the joke that was the League of Nations and how it lead to WW2
"Scars of the Great War" - Looks at the horror of WW1 and the effect it had on the world's psyche, which lead to the wacky interwar period and ultimately WW2
"Desperate Times" - A detailed look at the people who are known as "The Greatest Generation" and analyzes how WW1 and the Great Depression may or may not have toughened people up
"Nazi Tidbits" - Musings about Hitler and why people find the Nazi story so fascinating
"Bubonic Nukes" - A look back at the Black Death and imagining what it must have been like to live through seemingly apocalyptic conditions. Not World War related but still great.

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ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

Dan Carlin via his message board posted:


Hey Gang...sorry I haven't been around at all lately. Such is the level of devotion these HH shows begin to require of me by the end. Only another podcaster (and one who does intensely long work) would understand.

Here's the update:

Either A: We are close

or

B: We aren't.

Some background:

The story this HH show is about is one I have had on my "list" for years now. After finishing up the Khans series, I had about 10 days to pick the next topic (if you don't do it that quickly, your schedule gets so screwed that everything backs up like an assembly line). When I hadn't found a topic within two weeks, I said: "Forget it. Go with that one on your list. It's short, encapsulated, dramatic...it has all the elements you want".

Well...that's like calling your ship "unsinkable" before the maiden voyage.

What we have now is another "Thor's Angels" in terms of size (but NOT in scope). I haven't a clue how it grew so big. One of the best parts of this story was it's finite size. :badday:

In addition, it is VERY hard for us to work with when it gets this long. Crunching it takes an hour...listening to what we have takes half a day. In a perfect world, I would have released it in multiple parts, but after the recent 5 part series, I was set on NOT doing more than a single episode (in addition, if you are going to do a multi-parter, it needs to be designed as one. You can't just cut it up after the fact...the pieces aren't properly balanced in terms of having all the elements they need to stand alone separately).

So, right now I am FRIED. It's always pretty bad by the time we release an HH show...but this is VERY bad (it's quite late...it's very long...I can't judge the quality...etc. etc.).

Add to all this the fact that I have the potential with this topic to piss off a LOT of people in the audience. It's one of those kinds of topics (but it is SUCH a great story!). There's also very little info about this in English...so I don't have my usual vast array of source material to work with (but some in the audience WILL, depending on what languages they speak or read)...so we could really appear pretty foolish to THEM if we get this wrong. :SilentRage:

So...in a nutshell...we have about 4 hours in the can. We are about 5 or 10 content minutes from being done. Ben is listening to the whole thing as I type this...and I will after I get out of the studio tomorrow (again...just listening to it takes up half a day). If we don't like it, WE WON'T RELEASE IT. That's always been our mantra around here (although it's only happened once that we threw out a whole show and started over after we were done...). But basically, we don't know what we have right now. I will get a review from Ben later tonight...and I will hear it all together myself tomorrow afternoon. If it all passes muster, you should have it by/over the weekend sometime.

Let me apologize again for making these drat things so long. I seem to have lost the ability to do them as short as we used to do them. Somewhere along the line, we began going into more depth...and it seems like it would be weird to all of a sudden start giving LESS depth than people have come to expect. I don't know if everyone would be going "Yeah! Nice short show! Didn't miss the detail!" or "Jeeze...what happened with that last show? It sounded like you just threw it out there with only the bare bones sketched out."

Finally, this is, by the very nature of the type of story we are doing, a linear and narrative tale. It would be very difficult to have everything turn out right unless you told it in order...and in a step-by-step progression. It's a bit of an "obvious" approach, and I usually like to mix it up more for artistic reasons...but this story works best (I think!) the way we did it. Although...that having been said...I haven't heard all 4 hours together yet. I could be wrong... :facepalm:

So, there's your update. As usual...I am mortified at how long these take us to do. It's very bad for our business model...(yet, doing shows that aren't as good as our high standards is even WORSE for our business model!).

I hope he winds up releasing it! I wonder what the subject will be?

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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toanoradian posted:

How long was the 'old' Hardcore History, anyway? Was it shorter (less than 1 hour) in the past?

Hardcore History is so long I was kind of surprised when an episode of 12 Byzantine Rulers was just so incredibly short.

Most of the older episodes were less than an hour. After he started doing multipart episodes (with Ostfront) most clocked in from 1 to 2 1/2 hours. The only reason he did that mammoth 5 or 6 hour podcast was to finally wrap up the Rome series. He has said over and over that he wants to start just doing stand alone episodes but he gets wrapped up in a subject and it must be turned into a series.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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feedmyleg posted:

This is how I feel about the majority of talk podcasts. It's really unfortunate.

That being said, my new favorite podcast is The Jeff Rubin Jeff Rubin Show. The concept is that he host interviews people who have had interesting jobs outside of the mainstream. Want to learn about what it's like to be the designer for a billion people on Facebook? Or host and be involved in the technical aspects of a 90s gameshow in Legends of the Hidden Temple? Or learn about what it's like to be a roller coaster designer? Or direct high quality porn parodies? Or run High Times magazine? Or create Settles of Catan? Or write Perry Bible Fellowship? Or be the top commenter on Reddit? Or run The Alamo Drafthouse? Or dozens of other fascinating positions? It's pretty incredible not only the scope of guests he tends to get, but also how in-depth he tends to be able to dive as an interviewer. This isn't just some fluff interview podcast, it's all about what it's like to have a fascinating, amazing job - both the ups and downs, seeing it for what it is realistically from their point of view.

I just listened to the Legends of the Hidden Temple episode and this is a loving awesome podcast! I'm subscribed and will be burning through a ton of these. Thanks for the recommendation!

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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tnimark posted:

Thank you for this. I've listened to the first 4 episodes and it's great. I can't believe how fascinating I found the pizza tours episode. Definitely not something I'd have made an effort to check out without that enthusiastic recommendation.

I've listened to about 10 episodes now after that post and this is my new favorite podcast. I think it works so well because Jeff Rubin is such a great host. The interviews are great (especially the R.L. Stine ep) and the guests/topic are great for my demographic (late 20's/early 30's).

My favorite episodes are the aforementioned R.L. Stine and Action Park, the world's most dangerous waterpark. Can't wait to burn through more.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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New Hardcore Histories are a special thing. Can't wait to listen.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

That was a fantastic episode of HH. I think he was needlessly overly apologetic because the subject matter was 99 percent religious stuff and therefore obviously becomes a target for people that get angry over that sort of thing. While I would totally agree that he went overboard in this apology stuff this episode, I enjoy his long monologues to setup the show. Heck, he spends an hour of this episode setting the scene for the actual story that starts during the second hour. I can't listen to other historical podcasts with guys just reading from a script. I can do that myself from wikipedia or a book. I love how HH is a throwback radio show that lets Dan go into a booth armed with a basic idea what to convey and a load of knowledge/research to get that point across and then just becomes what it becomes. That fact that Dan is sort of an eccentric artist that drives him self crazy only adds to the charm of the show (for myself at least).

ColonelJohnMatrix fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Apr 24, 2013

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

I can't wait to listen to the new episode. Over on his forum he said that his next few HH shows are going to be another mini-series, and will either cover WW1 or Alexander the Great. Either will be cool, but I'd love to hear him do a full series on the cause and fighting of WW1!

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

Dan tweeted today apologizing for the delay in Hardcore History releases, but says he's working on a massive part 1 of a multi-part series like Ostfront, Khans, etc. I'm curious on what subject it is. It's either going to be Alexander the Great or World War 1.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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radlum posted:

Guys, there are few times I admit I was completely wrong and this is one of them. I love Hardcore History. I haven't had time to finish the second half of episodes about the Roman Republic but so far they have been great. I love Ancient Rome, I even bought a Roman Warship model to work on while listening to the podcast. Thanks for telling me to keep going and not judge Carlin for only a couple of minutes.

You aren't the only one. A couple years ago when I was recommended the podcast I listened to Ghosts of the Ostfront Pt. 1 and was immediately skeptical and actually turned it off when Dan went on his long intro about bone fields. I just thought "oh great, some overly dramatic guy has a podcast where he can't even get to subject without wasting 30 minutes". I decided to try it again a couple days later and became hooked. He tells fantastic stories and REALLY does his research. New Hardcore History episodes in my feed make as happy as when someone gets excited that their favorite author/film maker has released a new book.

For what it's worth, when he posted on his message board a couple months ago that his next subject was going to be a big series on either WW1 or Alexander the Great (he was undecided at that point) the board basically came alive with most people asking him to do a WW1 series for the 100 year anniversary of it. I think it's also sort of fitting given how crazy the leadup to WW1 was, both technologically and politically. I really enjoyed his previous WW1 podcast (Great Scars) so I'm sure it would be great.

If it winds up being Alexander the Great, well I'm sure that will rock as well.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

Listened to about 30 mins on the way to work and it's great so far!

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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Salvador Dalvik posted:

The 5 part Khan series took exactly 6 months (to the day), and the 6 part Roman Republic series took a whole year+1 day. Better settle in.

I'm in no rush, this dropped right as I was halfway though A World Undone, so I don't want to mix the narratives in my head.

He has admitted that the Rome series wound up being bad for business (lost subscribers, not as many donations) due to how long it took to put out so he has tried to streamline the multipart stuff so it doesn't get away from him like that did. Khans was much faster (as you pointed out) and he claims that he is ready to roll on this subject now that the first one is out. It's also a subject that he has already done gobs of research on over the years. I don't know how many parts this one is going to be but I would guess it will take us through spring at least.

I've said it before in this thread, but this time of history is by far the most fascinating to me. Much of the world was batshit crazy. You had the old way of doing things (monarchies, tyrants, etc) being mixed with (deadly) modern technology and the whole thing turned into a wildfire that lasted until the end of WW2.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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Maduo posted:

I find his points are usually pretty spot on, but I shudder to think what his forums must be like. I'm afraid to look.

His History show forum can be interesting from time to time because people post new show ideas or discuss the current one (even if some crazies are there). Avoid his Common Sense show forum at all costs though. It's all self righteous lunatics. The only reason I visit his forums is because Dan does pop in to clarify his point of view on things as well as give tidbits on upcoming content.

I just finished the episode and I love it. I like that it covers both battlefield tactics and technology while still explaining the politics and over arching view of the thing. I can't wait for the next episode!

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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I saw all the new posts and figured a new Hardcore History must be out :( Damnit Carlin, release the next one already!

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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I was pretty excited to listen to the newest episode of HH due to the emphasis of military technology/tactics but man did it start slow. I'm very familiar with how Dan sets up something before delving into it but it took over an hour to get into the Battle of the Frontiers, which is what the podcast is about. It normally wouldn't be so bad but he spent the first hour basically retreading the end of part 1 and saying "KILLING POWER WOULD BE INCREASED" over and over and over again. I just felt like, "Come on man, lets get to the meat of it".

Great once the battle talk started though.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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I.W.W. ATTITUDE posted:

Does anyone here listen to the Stuff You Should Know podcast? It long ago stopped being about stuff one should actually know (if it ever had been) and became more about two guys summarizing a report about weird subject of the week, but I like the hosts' soothing voices and rapport with each other.

Then a few weeks ago out of the blue one of the hosts was gone and got replaced by some new guy. The leftover old host seemed really bummed out and the episode was so sad I had to stop listening. Then a couple weeks later I tried listening to a new episode and the old cohost was back. Does anyone know what happened? Under what circumstances did the death and return of Chuck Bryant occur?

When I got into podcasts a few years ago this was what I listened to. As you said though, it started to get pretty dull to me. Once I found more longform stuff like Hardcore History it made me lose interest in SYSK.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

I know I'm late to the party at this point but Ghosts of the Ostfront is the best and is what got me into Carlin. I've listened to the whole thing 3 times over the last few years during work commutes.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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That Colbert impression of Carlin was deadnuts and had me crying laughing so hard.

ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

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Manhattan project?!

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ColonelJohnMatrix
Jun 24, 2006

Because all fucking hell is going to break loose

This is my favorite episode of HH since Ghosts of the Ostfront. Ancient history isn't as interesting to me as modern stuff and I've been fascinated by the cold war ever since learning about the Cuban Missile Crisis so this really is the topic I've been wanting him to cover forever.

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