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Nasgate posted:Personally i like city founding. Finding the right combination of ruins to churn out t2 units that are stronger than some t3 units is fun. I think treating the t4 buildings like wonders in civ would be cool, in that you can only build one in your empire. That way they are an actual investment instead of another unit you pump out. Using ruin upgrade buildings to build super units is very satisfying, but in my opinion is pretty much the only good part of being able to build cities. I think that if there were some way to preserve that aspect, it would be best. Because right now, the balance is skewed way too much in favor of city spam (of course, only a tiny fraction play MP). Maybe a colony system? Ala Civ III, for any who remember that. You could build an special unit in a city, that could go to a cleared site and claim its benefits for the home city?
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game was over in a very reasonable amount of time! only 1 hour until our big fight, i miss this game pace here's the video of my side of things: http://www.hitbox.tv/video/1217178 triskeli said he'd do a writeup of his side of the game as well
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Dec 8, 2016 05:44
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crossbows hit like a massive loving truck vs other T1s if you upgrade them. also, vassals giving 5 untis and springs of life giving a t3 is probably a little unbalanced.
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Dec 8, 2016 05:47
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ninjewtsu posted:me and triskeli are playing a game tonight! i'm pretty excited for an old fashioned goon game Game turned out pretty well, but with the goon-game standard of making a single mistake that cost me the game before making it to tier 3 units. Went with a Orc Theocrat, and I was able to spot Ninjew's army on the move towards one of my vassals. I rushed out to meet him, but Ninjew had managed to pick up an extra full stack in the fog of war for a 2v3  . I didn't have enough movement left to retreat, and despite a little shuffling and enough lucky misses to make a halfling swear I lost the fight hard. Ninjew was able to press on to my capital basically unopposed. Still, good fun, and I'm down to play again soon.
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That's just kind of inherent to the all the battles in the game being fought to annihilation. The first player to lose a real fight is basically just dead, and even if an overmatched stack can hold walls there aren't really reliable ways to control terrain in the game so your enemy can just waltz past the defended city and burn down your other towns / vassals. The game would probably be more interesting in multiplayer if there was some way to retreat from a losing battle and some way to make interior provinces less accessible to non-mobile threats.
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Nasgate posted:Personally i like city founding. Finding the right combination of ruins to churn out t2 units that are stronger than some t3 units is fun. I think treating the t4 buildings like wonders in civ would be cool, in that you can only build one in your empire. That way they are an actual investment instead of another unit you pump out. Unique as in each player can only build a particular t4 if they don't have one of that t4 currently alive. Splicer fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Dec 8, 2016 11:40
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i think the cityspam games would be way more fun and interesting if they also said "ok no one can build T4s"
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Dec 8, 2016 18:38
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ninjewtsu posted:i think the cityspam games would be way more fun and interesting if they also said "ok no one can build T4s" So... mass shadow stalkers then? 
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Dec 8, 2016 19:15
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Thankfully most of the unit issues y'all are discussing mean nothing to me, because I have no idea how optimal play works. I just build cool dudes and march them toward my enemies' cool dudes. Then in the next game I find some other kind of cool dudes to make. Befriend all the spider queens Web everything forever Seriously spider queens are loving dope.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:09
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Nordick posted:Get an archdruid Archdruids are the goddamn best. I love stealing animals and making them murderfriends. Spiders, Serpents, Tigers and even Bears are all pretty drat good too.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:11
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Archdruid is definitely the best.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:19
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Playing archdruid makes me want to play an entire game around the concept of recruiting baby monsters and building them up to destroy armies and take over kingdoms. As I type this I realize that probably makes me the bad guy in a pokemon game.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:24
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anyone available for a game tonight?
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Splicer posted:I am aware of how optimal play works but actually mostly play co-op comp stomps with a primary focus on blinging out heroes. I just like ideas guy-ing at people. My most specific complaint is that there is no way to get Devout on the Cththonic Guardian. The other alignment T4s are fine since they get it from Order of Templar Knights/Sacred Support, but it bugs me that my Goblin pope summoning literal angels devoted to the cause can't give them any of his sweet Devout bennies. Splicer posted:T4s take two stack slots That would also be my solution as a guy with no game design experience. Or I'd say something like stack size is 8, T3s take up two slots and T4s take up four.
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Zore posted:Archdruids are the goddamn best. I love stealing animals and making them murderfriends. If you baby an elephant to champion levels they become one of my favourite tools of destruction. Constantly charging, giant walls of meat and gore. One game i kept an elephant from turn 20 to end game and he solod two of the warrior t3 units in the climactic fight before a manticore finally barely took him out(it had 13 hp left)
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Nasgate posted:If you baby an elephant to champion levels they become one of my favourite tools of destruction. Constantly charging, giant walls of meat and gore. One game i kept an elephant from turn 20 to end game and he solod two of the warrior t3 units in the climactic fight before a manticore finally barely took him out(it had 13 hp left) I lost a brutal fight to madmac when his gold elephant just sliced through my chaff and into my squishies. Always check your enemies' experience levels.
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Dec 10, 2016 03:30
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Are elephants similar to Frostling mammoth riders? Because I've been getting some crazy mileage out of those guys in the Eternal Lords campaign. They hit so loving hard and have health for days. Tier 2 my rear end.
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Dec 10, 2016 06:33
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Smiling Knight posted:I lost a brutal fight to madmac when his gold elephant just sliced through my chaff and into my squishies. Always check your enemies' experience levels. Never forget Betrayal Mammoth, Champion of Both Armies.
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Dec 10, 2016 22:38
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i'm playing with smiling knight tonight! same list of mods as vs triskeli. http://www.hitbox.tv/NINJEWTSUSA
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Dec 14, 2016 01:56
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I really wish there was a way you could bias certain leaders to start underground. I have a Elf Necromancer who I want to play as a drow but she always gets started in some happy verdant forest 
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Dec 14, 2016 02:25
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Shaman Ooglaboogla posted:I really wish there was a way you could bias certain leaders to start underground. I have a Elf Necromancer who I want to play as a drow but she always gets started in some happy verdant forest You can, I think. Its in one of the configs, something like "Start Underground". Hopefully someone can be clearer... or call me out on being wrong. 
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Dec 14, 2016 02:29
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game was good! we had a really good fight, where smiling knight's ability to be the best at age of wonders 3 was matched against my ability to find some absurd bullshit in the game mod again came down to a 1v1 hero duel, which SK was able to scrap a victory from by raising a cadaver
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ninjewtsu posted:i'm playing with smiling knight tonight! same list of mods as vs triskeli. http://www.hitbox.tv/NINJEWTSUSA Yo this is what you guys are missing out on:  On account of being Honorable Goons, ninjew and I agreed on a three vs three showdown. My banshees, elite mystics, bears (bears!), and a couple of other things vs Ninjew's highly mobile army of hellhounds and mod units: the very cool and flexible daredevils, and the extremely strong water knight guys (think human knights, but with extra charge, 40% physical resist, and first strike). This was the result:  Yes, everything died except my lord. Both of us ended up losing our right flank, a brutal melee killed most units in the middle (and it killed several of them twice), and some powerful stacking debuffs (curse + despair + eneravation + fever + chilling on my leader) allowed my mystic ranged to take out some key targets before my front line completely crumbled. It ended up in a mano a mano duel with Snu Snu (whom I had luckily given a bunch of armor; that's why he was alive... er undead) vs an elf theocrat. My lord would have been slaughtered, but fortunately, on the battlefield full of corpses, he could scrounge up some last second reinforcements. Anyway you all should play multiplayer with goons because they will do cool things like agree to fight 3v3 stacks on neutral ground instead of spending hours bickering over stack dancing. You should definitely play with ninjew because he usually has a cool gimmick build in mind.
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Thyrork posted:You can, I think. Its in one of the configs, something like "Start Underground". Hopefully someone can be clearer... or call me out on being wrong. Yeah, we added it in the last patch. As far as I remember, you can choose where you spawn when you select your leader.
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I'm just here to mention that today I've finally beaten every campaign with every ending, including all three Eternal Lords endings. The undead one was real grim. I know most people don't play these games for the campaigns (the aforementioned undead ending is my second rarest achievement on Steam  ), but I for one appreciate the work of the devs who no doubt put great many hours in making them. So big thanks!
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Dec 18, 2016 20:56
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Kanfy posted:I'm just here to mention that today I've finally beaten every campaign with every ending, including all three Eternal Lords endings. The undead one was real grim. The devs did a very impressive job on the campaign. Eternal Lords' is just so much more sophisticated and finely tuned than the originals.
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Both the original Loyalist campaigns were pretty great, too. The undead ending is the only one I never got around to, which is a shame since it sounds like the best one.
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Kanfy posted:I'm just here to mention that today I've finally beaten every campaign with every ending, including all three Eternal Lords endings. The undead one was real grim. Go back to a save and break your alliance with Melendis. The dev's thought of everything.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Both the original Loyalist campaigns were pretty great, too. The undead ending is the only one I never got around to, which is a shame since it sounds like the best one. It's actually pretty chill to play through because for once you don't need to deal with Melenis and the Age of Death she has on from the start. Sure, you lose almost all of your heroes but the non-plot-relevant ice mage guy sticks around and you can always "recruit" more from the enemy if you manage to stick ghoul curse on them. In fact ghoulified Ernest (the halfling campaign protagonist) ended up dealing the killing the blow on Ham in my game which is exactly the kind of dickery you'd expect from a necromancer. Thyrork posted:Go back to a save and break your alliance with Melendis. The dev's thought of everything. For all my praise, I've played through that particular map enough times now that I'd rather not see it ever again. I assume she doesn't take it well and you just eat an immediate game over.
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Kanfy posted:For all my praise, I've played through that particular map enough times now that I'd rather not see it ever again. Better. That lichdom deal she offered you came with a secret rewiring to use if you decided to get uppity. Your free will isn't so free anymore. 
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Has anyone messed with production via mods, or is that even possible? I always thought it'd be cool if your 100+ production city could churn out 3 T1's a turn. I'm about to install your list of mods Ninjew, if you ever want to try a Friday/Saturday game.
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i've returned from my trip to foreign lands. i'm pretty free for the next week, if anyone is interested in playing this game.
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Tonight I learned why to always kill rogues as soon as I find them: Never let them get to Age of Deception.
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man just wait until you play against a half-decent one in MP
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so i know aow3 goons is a dead community but i wanted to take a moment to share an amusing balance suggestion from the OF (yes, they still argue about balance nonstop there)quote:Dracs: Charger loses RG Regrowth and gains Guard Breaker a t1 cost flying unit with guard breaker and charge.
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ninjewtsu posted:so i know aow3 goons is a dead community but i wanted to take a moment to share an amusing balance suggestion from the OF (yes, they still argue about balance nonstop there) But I thought the OF only runs around with stacks full of T4 units? Why bother with changing T1 units? 
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Torrannor posted:But I thought the OF only runs around with stacks full of T4 units? Why bother with changing T1 units? Pretty much this.
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Well maybe if Tier 1 units were world-ending threats, they might play them more 
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i was going to say "the honorguard nerds are all gone" but what's funny is that "they only use T4s" describes both the single player honorubu weeb nerds that go nuts over spending 100 turns decking out their elader's honor guard, and also the insane super-pro tryhards that will whine for half an hour about splitstacking rules it's come full circle now
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this game still gets official updates? http://aow.triumph.net/the-v1-8-poseidon-patch-in-steam-open-beta/ you can make water forts now beta patch atm though
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