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Cage posted:I can see the paint coming off in the wind...but the corner light?? The cheap aftermarket ones come apart really easily. When I got rid of mine, one was starting to come apart as well. The aftermarket headlight housings (even the OEM clones) also don't light up the road for poo poo. Most of the really cheap ones are made by Eagle Eyes, DEPO is the only decent aftermarket one for Panthers. My last car had Eagle Eyes housings as well, and even with the projectors, didn't do poo poo to light up the road.
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Cage posted:I can see the paint coming off in the wind...but the corner light?? glue gets unstuck, wind at the leading edge chisels at it as it comes arounf the corner of the car. I'll just quote myself from my thread here: Darchangel posted:A large box appeared: And add a couple newer photos. In the parking garage at work:  Which is also a good place to check the beam pattern.  Little high on the right side. The low "step" on the right is at the same height as the high step for the left side - it should be at the same height as the low step on the left. Kind of obvious looking at the beam that hits the floor, too:  Right one is about 6" ahead of the left one. I'll take my tools to work and adjust it after work one day. Haven't really driven in the dark yet, so can't comment on effectiveness, other than it seems to light better in the parking garage.
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  Not going for any world records but it only took me 15 minutes and I didn't even get my hands dirty! Happy friday!!
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Bummer. Only issue I have is that mine has a limited slip rear, and the donut is smaller than the full sized tires, so if I get a flat on the rear, I have to sap a front back there and put the donut on the front. Update from my above post - the new headlights work fine. I'd say better than what they replaced, even when they were new.
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Whew! Finally got through all 52 pages! This has been a hell of a thread. I have been a Panther fan for most of my life. My parents owned a fully loaded '87 Country Squire in the late 80's, and my first car was an '86 Grand Marquis. Since then, I have owned the following: 1985 Ford Crown Victoria 1981 Lincoln Continental Mark VI Gevenchi Edition 1985 Lincoln Town Car Signature Series 1986 Lincoln Town Car base model 1986 Lincoln Town Car Cartier Edition 1991 Lincoln Town Car Executive Series Hence, my forum name.  I'd be happy to answer any questions about the older panthers, as I've had PLENTY of experience with them.
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Darchangel posted:Bummer.
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Cage posted:I swapped the donut in about 15 minutes and then spent 20 minutes googling on the side of the road because I too have an lsd! I took it slow and swapped it as soon as I could. All of my panthers came equipped with full size spares except for my 91 Towncar. The SECOND that I discovered the doughnut in the trunk, I took the extra full size spare from my Grand Marquis and tossed it in the trunk. Doughnuts are for dunking, not for driving, IMHO. 
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I do have a total of 12 (!!) tired wheels sitting around for this car so I guess I have no excuse! I just have to sell the original wheels that came with the car. I have 6 of em but they're not exactly cool so I don't look forward to getting rid of them. Cage fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Sep 12, 2023 |
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Cage posted:I swapped the donut in about 15 minutes and then spent 20 minutes googling on the side of the road because I too have an lsd! I took it slow and swapped it as soon as I could. FYI, assuming they did the same on the Panthers as the Mustangs, there should be a physical metal tag on one of the diff cover bolts calling out that it's an LSD and needs friction modifier on fluid changes.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:FYI, assuming they did the same on the Panthers as the Mustangs, there should be a physical metal tag on one of the diff cover bolts calling out that it's an LSD and needs friction modifier on fluid changes.
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Cage posted:Mine came with an open diff and I had a shop throw a limited slip in there. Ahh. Good call. Grandma(rquis) needs to leave proper evidence of burnouts.
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I do have a quick question for anyone overly familiar with the DOHC mod motor in the Marauder: I'm assuming that the 32 valve DOHC motor in the Marauder is the same as the Lincoln Mark VIII and the Mustang Mach I. I'm also assuming that the motor in the 1999-2004 Mustang Cobra is also the same, but with a supercharger bolted on. So, in theory, a Marauder or Mark VIII could be just a junkyard supercharger and computer reflash away from close to 400 horses, right? Or am I missing something?
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Lincoln Freak posted:All of my panthers came equipped with full size spares except for my 91 Towncar. The SECOND that I discovered the doughnut in the trunk, I took the extra full size spare from my Grand Marquis and tossed it in the trunk. I have a cop car. It came with a full-sized spare, but I wanted the trunk space. I use the donut until I get home, and swap on the full-size there. If I were traveling with it, I'd probably put the full-sized spare in the trunk for the duration. I really like the aluminum Town Car spare I found. Much lighter. Boaz MacPhereson posted:FYI, assuming they did the same on the Panthers as the Mustangs, there should be a physical metal tag on one of the diff cover bolts calling out that it's an LSD and needs friction modifier on fluid changes. It's on the door tag. It's a code, but it's there. (if you still have the original rearend, of course.) I need to have mine rebuilt. I somehow hosed it up changing out the pinion seal, and have a whine now. I'll probably find a junkyard rear with the same gear ratio to swap in while the shop rebuilds it, or just swap permanently if I actually fin another LSD. Or have the junkyard one rebuilt, I guess. I missed on on FB Marketplace, which annoys me. Guy did the F-100 pickup Panther chassis swap, but wanted wider tires on the rear, so had a narrower rear built, and was selling the original cop car rear...
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Lincoln Freak posted:I do have a quick question for anyone overly familiar with the DOHC mod motor in the Marauder:
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wolrah posted:The DOHC 4.6 had a bunch of different variations over the years, they're not all equal. The '90s models use a block cast by Teksid in Italy, Ford then changed to an in-house block produced in Windsor in '01. The supercharged Cobra used an entirely different iron block. Somewhere in there the heads also changed for improved intake flow. There's probably still something to your idea, but it might not be as straightforward as bolting on a blower and flashing the PCM. Ah. That makes sense. I don't see very many blown Mark VIII's or Marauders, and if it was as simple as what I originally thought, there would probably be a lot more. Thanks, Wolrah. 
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FWIW that post is the extent of my DOHC knowledge so by no means should you take it as a "no this is a bad idea" just be aware that there are substantially different variants of this motor and the Terminator Cobras' version is the most different. In the end it's still a Ford V8 that shipped for many years so there are definitely ways to turn it up. A bit of googling found a Motor Trend article about the DOHC 4.6 quoting an engine builder as saying that the Teksid blocks are good for 1500 horsepower. Obviously that doesn't say anything about the heads, pistons, rods, crank, etc. but it's something.
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wolrah posted:FWIW that post is the extent of my DOHC knowledge so by no means should you take it as a "no this is a bad idea" just be aware that there are substantially different variants of this motor and the Terminator Cobras' version is the most different. In the end it's still a Ford V8 that shipped for many years so there are definitely ways to turn it up. Sure, no problem. I was just curious if it really was just as easy as finding a wrecked early aughts Cobra, and doing a supercharger transplant. I'm sure that companies like Magnussen and ProCharger already make packages for the Mark VIII and Marauder. While I would LOVE to get my hands on a clean 97 or 98 Mark, or a Marauder, I'm actually considering finding a clean 03-05 Towncar hearse and supercharging that to scare the general populance. 
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Lincoln Freak posted:While I would LOVE to get my hands on a clean 97 or 98 Mark, or a Marauder, I'm actually considering finding a clean 03-05 Towncar hearse and supercharging that to scare the general populance. 
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I mean, a friend did this to his '10 Town Car: So anything's possible. I THINK he's still running the stock long block, I'll have to ask him next time I see him.
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Oh, they reversed the alternator. Interesting. I could really use that...
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I like this guy's Grand Marquis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6K3YR6Ti0Q The exhaust sounds great, but I'm  on his lack of cats.Too bad OBX has kinda disappeared. Pretty much no one else makes headers specifically for the Panther besides, I believe Doug's, and those are expensive stainless headers. edit: Stainless Works, and $1700. gently caress. That. edit again: Kooks headers are $900. Darchangel fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Sep 25, 2023 |
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Are there many documented Panther 4.6 ===> 5.4 swaps from an early 2000s Lincoln Navigator/Aviator? Seems like a good engine to stick in there.
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Waffle House posted:Are there many documented Panther 4.6 ===> 5.4 swaps from an early 2000s Lincoln Navigator/Aviator? Seems like a good engine to stick in there. The 2V 5.4s are taller and wider for the longer stroke so you have all sorts of fitment issues, but they have the same heads as the 4.6 so they run out of airflow earlier in the rev range. They give you a bit more torque down low but nothing more at the top end. The 4V engines have plenty of airflow but now those heads are substantially larger and still sitting on the taller/wider block so you have even more fitment issues. AFAIK the 3V engines require a newer computer so you still have the same fitment issues as the 2V 5.4 but also now need to deal with that, at which point IMO you may as well just go Coyote. The easiest option for more power is a blower, and if you really want to swap the engine a 4V 4.6 is obviously just a matter of getting the right Marauder parts.
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wolrah posted:It really isn't a great choice. A few have been done but there's a reason they're not common. I have seen a few older videos about the swap; do you know offhand if it's more that they don't fit under the stock hood or that they're too wide for the engine bay? Panthers are the biggest passenger sedan with plentiful aftermarket that I could think of to chuck one in, because I'm not as much a fan of Mustangs, cool as they are. I was aghast at how many of these motors were just sitting in trucks in junkyards. It's not EXACTLY a Terminator motor, but on a whim I emailed Ford's Performance Techline about them and their response (copy/pasted here) was: quote:2003 and newer 5.4 DOHC engines have a steel crank and common intake port heads and iron block. Waffle House fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Waffle House posted:Are there many documented Panther 4.6 ===> 5.4 swaps from an early 2000s Lincoln Navigator/Aviator? Seems like a good engine to stick in there. The Aviator, as I recall, is based on the Ford Explorer platform, and never got the 5.4. The Navigators and the Ford Expeditions could be had with the 4.6 or the 5.4. I am in agreement with Wolrah: The DOHC in the Marauder, the Mach I or the Cobra would be a better swap candidate than the 5.4. Just out of curiosity, someone posted a pic of a 2010 supercharged Towncar. Does anyone know what type of gains can be had by slapping a supercharger on a stock 4.6?
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Just to clarify, the only motor I'm talking about are the 5.4 Intech 4V V8s from the Navigator. (Thank you, btw, I misspoke about the Aviators) The 2V mods and 3V Tritons are neato but not really what I'm after.
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Waffle House posted:I have seen a few older videos about the swap; do you know offhand if it's more that they don't fit under the stock hood or that they're too wide for the engine bay? Panthers are the biggest passenger sedan with plentiful aftermarket that I could think of to chuck one in, because I'm not as much a fan of Mustangs, cool as they are. Too tall, I think. The only one I recall seeing had a hole in the hood for the throttle body, because of course the only intake is the tall truck intake. Lincoln Freak posted:The Aviator, as I recall, is based on the Ford Explorer platform, and never got the 5.4. The Navigators and the Ford Expeditions could be had with the 4.6 or the 5.4. Yes, Aviator is an Explorer. They did not get the 5.4, but they did get the 4V/DOHC, @ 300HP. All aluminum, too! Same as the Marauder and Mach 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Modular_engine#4.6
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Broke: Alternator died while driving. Took about 10 minutes to go from "hm, never saw a battery light appear on the dashboard before" to car dead on side of the road. Woke: Takes like 20 minutes to install a new one in these cars. Awesome!
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Yup, alternators on Ford products are usually stupid easy to do. I would usually upgrade my alternator with a police package alternator from the same year, and other than an occasional pulley swap, it's usually pretty plug-n-play.
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Lincoln Freak posted:Yup, alternators on Ford products are usually stupid easy to do. I would usually upgrade my alternator with a police package alternator from the same year, and other than an occasional pulley swap, it's usually pretty plug-n-play. Different bracket. Also expensive, and the "over-running clutch" alternator pulley is *also* expensive (edit: for a pulley), and can fail. Mine did, and was the source of the bearing noise I couldn't track down for a while, and also lower-than-normal alternator output, but I didn't really notice that until it was fixed and suddenly putting out more.
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We recently got some bitter cold and snow in the northeast, it's all good now and the car was a trooper but the first bad day when I did start the car up I didn't have any window function anywhere in the car. None of the doors will work any of the windows, and the drivers door switch panel doesn't light up anymore. Everything else works. There is a relay the seems to be just for the windows? 2005-2011: Circuit breaker: Power windows relay feed (RUN/ACC) Should I try anything else?
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Replacing that relay didn't work. :<
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Everything is fed off of the driver's master switch, I believe (so you can lock out the PW from there.) I'm at work, so don't have the wiring diagram handy (I've never found a digital copy, so my [2005] copy is an actual book,) but check fuses under the dash AND in the engine bay. I'm not certain, but there might be one out there. What specific year is yours?
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I agree with Darchangel: If none of the windows are working, and the door mounted switchgear is not lit up, I'm thinking blown fuse.
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I have an 07, I've mostly been using this - https://fuse-box.info/mercury/mercury-grand-marquis-2003-2011-fuses-and-relay I can go check this fuse I guess - 9 2007-2011: Ignition (ON/ACC) - Door lock switch illumination, Heated seat switch illumination, Moon roof (2007-2008), Overhead console, Radio, Antenna, Electrochromatic mirror, Window relay coil My radio still works though so thats why I haven't looked at that one yet (and its cold). My next guess was a new driver's master switch so I guess I can stand to be cold for a little while while checking fuses before I try that.
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 No I didnt need that paint you can have it. 
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Cage posted:I have an 07, I've mostly been using this - https://fuse-box.info/mercury/mercury-grand-marquis-2003-2011-fuses-and-relay Quick question: You mentioned that the master power window switch was dead, and none of the windows do anything. If you use the switches on the other three doors, do THEY work? If the other three windows work when you use the individual door switches, then it's probably the master switch that took a dump. Have you noticed any issues with the windows before they quit?
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None of my windows are working, none of the door window switches light up. Everything was hunky dory before the snow, all the windows stopped working at once. Tomorrow Ill just go pull a bunch of fuses I guess!
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I checked all the fuses and nothing was blown 
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That's nothing. Mine's not the worst, but I've got leprous spots all over the roof, a few on the trunk and also hood and front fenders. Good job, Ford. Cage posted:I checked all the fuses and nothing was blown Yeah, check power at the driver's switch, I guess.
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