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 I got that clockwork dragon too, and as I mentioned in the KS thread, I'm disappointed in it. On the other hand, I forgot I'd added on Cthulhu at the last second, so... bonus! It looks like it'll be amazing, and I got an airbrush which is going to work great for this. Lethemonster posted:Your problem will be that washes are primarily aqueous. This will not want to party with the bare plastic. You can paint straight on them because paints are based on polymer binders, rather than being mostly water. This means to be able to just dunk them in wash you will need to give them a little spritz of primer. All washes are like 90% water, so brand/type isn't going to change much, except maybe using oil washes. I thought part of the point of Bones is that they have a surface that you don't need to prime? My wife recently painted a Bones purple worm (she really wanted to use my airbrush) and she did not prime it first. Came out pretty well: 
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I am excited about this thread! For ages I have been picking up random Reaper figures when I'm at a game store, because they always have something neat and characterful to mess with. Or for DnD games, they're the best place to turn for character miniatures. I wasn't able to shell out for the Vampire pledge, which was a bummer, but probably for the best because there are lots of things in it that I'm not really excited about. I really hope that it doesn't take them too long to get the new Bones stuff on the shelves for sale, there are tons of random figures in there I'd love to have.
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Wouldn't Krylon spray paint be a good base then use something like Quick Shade from Army Painter?
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I don't know if you want to add it to the OP but when bones are commercially available, I can get and sell them at 40% off MSRP. I usually do orders once a month. I don't really make any money off this, but I don't keep my distribution account to make money so its no big deal. Things I can get are listed here: http://www.warpathgames.com LumberingTroll fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Mar 29, 2013 |
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So where could I locate some of the surplus stuff for sale?
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OK here is an effortpost about a sculptor. I figure this belongs in this thread because these days she sculpts a lot of stuff for Reaper. Let's chat about Julie Guthrie I first became vaguely aware of Julie Guthrie when I noticed her name on certain lines of miniatures, back when I first got into the miniature hobby (late 80s). I kind of forgot the name again for a long time. But, a few years ago a friend of mine was moving to Hawaii and decided that in the name of efficiency, he needed to divest himself of most of his belongings (since shipping them all would have been ruinously expensive anyway). So he gave me his entire gaming collection, which included piles of elderly miniatures some of which date back to the late 1970s and the very inception of Dungeons and Dragons (which, as a teenager, he was playing within a year of its first publication). So a little while ago I started sorting through his collection. Most of these figures have been treated very poorly - they have the typical awful paintjobs of the early 1980s, done with huge cheap brushes and glossy enamel model paint. Many are badly damaged from use, many were ham-fistedly modified to better match some character's equipment or lack thereof, and, well, how do I put this? Scantily-clad (or entirely nonclad) female miniatures comprise a surprisingly large percentage of the total collection. My buddy was a horny teen male in a time before internet pornography. Anyway. Going through these old figures, I decided to start by sorting them into manufacturer and then identifying them based on online resources. Easily half the figures are old Ral Partha (unsurprisingly) and I found some useful websites, including hosted scanned copies of their oldest catalogs. I was surprised to discover that as early as 1982, Julie Guthrie was sculpting fantasy 28mm-scale miniatures for gamers. She was credited with designing an entire line of minis in the 1983 Ral Partha catalog, "All Things Dark and Dangerous," and was also added in credit for the "The Adventurers" line in that catalog, joining Tom Meier and Dennis Mize as the third major credited sculptor for the company's fantasy miniatures. (Although George Freeman, William Murray, Brian Apple, and Ann Gallup had credits for Ral Partha back in the late 70s, mostly for historical minis, these sculptors were absent from the credits by '83. Apple and Gallup had only co-credits for a few limited historical lines.) Guthrie's name subsequently came up on sculpts from Ral Partha, Grenadier, Iron Wind, Reaper, Emperor's Choice, and probably others I don't know about. She has multiple lines of minis from Grenadier, including "Julie Guthrie's Personalities" and "Julie Guthrie's Personalities II," lines which explicitly advertised with her name, indicating that at that time her name was more recognizable to miniature-buyers than practically anyone else in the industry. The masters for these sculpts have been bought and sold repeatedly, and remarkably are still in production today, despite now being 15+ years old. (See also: Her page on the Lost Minis wiki). In 1995, she was inducted into the Origins Hall of Fame in recognition of her contributions to the hobby. And she's still sculpting today. You can review her work at Reaper on this page; she has some figures that are being converted to Bones, such as this scary ghost, but she's also sculpting new and fantastic stuff, including the Nethyrmaul the Undying figure, the non-cheescake Male Storm Giant, and this adorable snakeman warrior. I figure if she was maybe 20 back in 1983 doing her first sculpts, then she'd be 50 today. You see plenty of 50+ year old men involved in this hobby, but precious few 50+ year old women. I think it's fantastic that this woman has made a full career, going back to the earliest days of D&D, making high-quality sculpts of tiny little people and monsters and stuff, and is still churning out top-notch stuff today. Here are some pictures of Julie Guthrie's work, new and old. Newest: Nethyrmaul:  Male Storm Giant:  Snakeman Warrior:  Barrow Warden Lord:  Witch of the Dark Lord:  Contemporary: Lion Man:  Guardian Beast:  Cazalet, Plague Priest:  Pathfinder Red Dragon:  Older: Troll, Julie Guthrie 700 series, circa 1986-ish:  Dungeoneers, same series:  Familiars, Ral Partha 1987: (I actually have this set, still in its blister!)  Best of Julie Guthrie "Women of Adventure", 1992 (note lack of blatant cheesecake):  Best of Julie Guthrie, "Lords of Decay", 1992  Julie Guthrie's Dragons, "Green Dragon", 1990  Julie Guthrie's Dragons, "White Ice Dragon", 1990  Really old: Elfquest "Wolfriders 1", (Ral Partha), 1982:  Armoured Centaurs, Male and Female, Ral Partha 1983:  Two-Headed Ogre, Ral Partha 1983:  Hydra, Ral Partha 1983: 
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I love the storm giants but the female one is the best. She looks like she's taunting some adventurer right before she hits him with her club and eats him. The facial expression conveys a really awesome trickstery villain feel, like she's thinking "OH BOY ANOTHER DELICIOUS PALADIN NOMNOMNOMNOM.". The male one on the other hand is pretty good but really feels like he needs a shield of some sort to tie him together. Does anyone actually play Warlord? I've been curious if it actually is a good system for generic small scale fantasy battles ever since the local groups gave up on WHFB due to 8th Eds lacklusterity. I have a copy of it I won from a contest Reaper did when the game first came out but I haven't done more than casually peruse it. It seemed like it was in dire need of a graphic designer and layout specialist since its mostly Microsoft Excel esque stat cards and some sort of haphazard illustrations and artwork.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:I love the storm giants but the female one is the best. She looks like she's taunting some adventurer right before she hits him with her club and eats him. The facial expression conveys a really awesome trickstery I can't say I totally agree:  Although the original artwork was worse (  Just a little too much "sexy model pose" for my tastes. Although it's assuredly not horrible, there's much worse out there. What is interesting is that they had two different sculptors do these two models: Julie Guthrie did the dude, and Patrick Kieth did the lady. I would have thought, if they wanted a contiguous look and feel to this pair, they'd go with just one sculptor. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Mar 29, 2013 |
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I thought I bought a bunch of extras, but it was nothing compared to you guys: Vampire x1 $100 Fire Giants x1 $10 Frost Giants x1 $10 Figure Case x1 $25 Nethyrmaul x1 $25 Kaladrax Reborn x1 $10 C'thulhu x2 $20 Undead Giant x1 $10 Red Dragon x1 $10 Fire Giant Warriors x1 $10 Now that we've seen more sculpts, I'm really happy that I sprung for the undead dragons. I'm planning to use my Bones to make a dungeon crawler for my nephew, he is turning 5 so the softer plastic should be just perfect for him.
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Yea, I agree with Leperflesh. The sculpt is very nicely done, but the pose is cheesecake. Even if you set aside the matter of clothing (which is at least reflected by the male giant) the stance is totally wrong for anything but a pose. It doesn't look like she's prepared to heft or wield the mace, it comes across as a prop. I am kind of disappointed in the male version as well. I would have interpreted the picture as him sort of hunching down, preparing to rush, but the sculptor took it more literally so that he has no neck at all and very high shoulders and back. It makes him look kind of like a lion. And some bestial elements to the giants is cool, but it clashes with the very human shape of the female version.
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I thought it sort of looks like she's leaning over to examine someone standing in front of her but that could not be the case depending on how tall she is compared to an average adventurer.
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I got in on this, and paid $25us for the international shipping. That was way back when I thought I'd live abroad forever, but now I'm moving back to America within the next few months, so I changed the address to my American address. Emailed the Webmaster@reaper, asking if they could convert that $25us for shipping into random bones or something, but I haven't gotten a reply yet. Anyone better I should email?
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Man, I should have bought more Cthulu's. With as durable as this stuff is, it'd be totally worth it to line a bunch of them up and do Cthulu bowling.
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So, painting Bones. You can apply paint directly to Bones. But it's a bit different from painting a normal model. For the base coat, you do not thin your paints. Think of your basecoat as your primer. It goes on straight from the bottle and then you can thin paints from there. If this just seems wrong to you, you can prime the bones instead. Some people have been painting their Bones that way because they just don't like the idea of an unthinned base coat. Just keep in mind that some primers work a bit oddly on Bones. The Reaper boards has a list of primers that work with the Bones. If no one else does, I'll try and find the list tonight and post it here. If you have to strip the Bones, make sure you use a stripping agent that won't melt the Bones. Simple Green apparently works best for this.
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My first Kickstarter actually  When I heard that Reaper's doing a KS I immediately got interested, when Isaw how much they actually offer my jaw hit the floor. I immediately pledged for something like $250, i.e. Vampire, 3 of the 4 paint sets (now I regret not getting the fourth), some dragons (including the 2 huge undead ones), blah. I'v been a Reaper fan for a longest time. I started (unsurprisingly) with GW, but they had their serious aesthetics problems even back then in the 90s, especially with elf/female minis (insert joke how GW sculptors had never seen real women). In contrast, Reaper's are awesome, I love Klocke's elves. It's one of the rare companies that I can trust to make something totally random and there's a 90% chance they not only won't gently caress it up but it'll match my taste. And I simply looove RMS paints  so silky smooth coverage and awesome to blend  My main problem with Reaper is that there are like 2 online stores importing them to Poland, they have limited range, and I can't afford to pay some ridiculous shipping every time I order a mini or two (no I can't plan 50 minis ahead). And don't even start about the paints. I saw them once on a clearance sale and each time I remember it I curse myself for not buying the whole available range  So, that was my big chance, I spend way more than I usually do on minis (especially when I'd see them in several months) and I think I have enough fantasy proxies to last me a few years. Skirmish games, board games, bookends, whatever. Still worth it. Have you tried out any Bones minis already? How good is the detail compared to their metal counterparts? It's very hard to see in photos and if I'm gonna be disappointed, I want to be prepared. Also, apparently they come already assembled/glued, how careful is their assembly (misaligned parts, superglue spills, etc.)? moths posted:I'm considering "painting" most of my bones with a black wash and using them as playing pieces. I don't want to go nuts, but I'd like a look that compliments the printed out terrain I'm into using.  ), let dry for 48 h, done! Lots of people do their low-detail minis (historicals, boardgames) this way.
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JackMann posted:So, painting Bones. I can attest that Rustoleum grey spray primer acted weirdly with Bones - went on fine but stayed tacky to the touch for a week before finally drying enough to deal with. Vallejo black airbrush primer worked like normal though. To answer the detail question, they LOOK a lot less detailed out of the box, but partly that is because white plastic hides detail from the eye more than metal or grey plastic. Once primed or painted they are very, very close to metal/plastic. Maybe not close to the absolute top of what GW or PP can do with plastic or McVey resins or whatever, but almost identical to what Reaper does with metal anyway. On the Reaper forums there was a guy who painted up a metal and Bones version of the same model, and had people guess which was which, and it was a toss-up.
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I'm glad I didn't order a ton of add-ons, and I'm in the first 5k or so backers. Hopefully, I'll get mine shipped before the ReaperCon gap. Fingers crossed on that one. What do people think of the Swords and Wizardry PDF? I downloaded it and skimmed a bit. I'm not sure if I missed old D&D that much...
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Here's the thread. Primers that have been noted to work: Army Spray Primer Gesso Reaper brush-on primer (though it dries slightly tacky, it's almost unnoticeable, and doesn't affect painting) Krylon, Testor's, and GW have all been reported to end up undesirably tacky.
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Almost as much as all the cheap mis, I'm excited for Reaper because they got Julie Guthrie to sculpt for them. I ran the minis department for Games of Berkeley in 1990, and her stuff sold like hotcakes. Even at the new price point of $1.25 (the average humanoid mini cost $1.10 back then) I'd re-order a good chunk (20-30 figures at the high end) of her stuff every week.
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Leperflesh posted:I can't say I totally agree: I liked how in the artwork there was an extra curve between the lady's pelvis and hips(?). It's not on the model and that's a bit disappointing.
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Just some food-for-thought. Reaper Bryan just announced on the Reaper boards that their one-click-all-vampire option on their website is going to cost $399 (a 20% discount on buying them individually). EDIT: As far as the giantess goes, I wouldn't have minded it quite so much if it wasn't for the fact that all the female giants are in very passive poses, where the males are in full combat swing.
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JackMann posted:EDIT: As far as the giantess goes, I wouldn't have minded it quite so much if it wasn't for the fact that all the female giants are in very passive poses, where the males are in full combat swing. Hmm.    You know, I honestly hadn't noticed that before, but you're right. Apparently giant queens are like... yeah, I've got this spear, I could totally kill you, but not just yet. Whereas the male giants are all "raaagh we're fighting!" Now I think about it, tons of female minis, even the ones in armor with weapons, tend to be in more passive poses. I can't think of that many female figures I've got that are in a mid-strike combat pose. I still love these figures, though. They're loaded with detail and character and I especially like how they don't just look like very big humans - they've got different proportions.
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I actually prefer passive poses in a lot of cases, both male and female. It gets a little boring to have everyone always in the motion of swinging an axe or whatever.
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Fix posted:I actually prefer passive poses in a lot of cases, both male and female. It gets a little boring to have everyone always in the motion of swinging an axe or whatever. I agree, games don't feel right when you know your just moving your figure and it looks like the model is rushing to take someones head at that very instant.
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Yea, one of the things that I live about Reaper is that you can get miniatures of people just sort of hanging out or standing around. It's nice for characters, when you don't necessarily want someone permanently waving a sword or whatever. Having said that, it's still an issue if you have 90% of female characters being passive and 90% of male ones being aggressive. I think the ratios are actually much better than that though, but it can still be an issue in certain ranges - like the giants. They definitely have ladies wrecking face though, like these ones: http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/03283 http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/50007 http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/14609 http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/60149/sku-down/60149 And dudes just chilling: http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/60148/sku-down/60148 http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/50291/latest/50291 http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Chronoscope/sku-down/50256 http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/02795 I definitely think there are other companies with a worse problem - a lot of the earlier Infinity stuff, for instance, seemed to have a pretty serious pinup problem.
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Most of the Cronoscope line has some passive models. Rex, the Mad Max inspired one, is my favorite: http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/rex/sku-down/50065
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Not sure I would call aiming a double barreled sawed off shotgun passive... But if he was holding it at his side or across his chest then yeah I would agree with that and the pose being passive.
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LumberingTroll posted:Not sure I would call aiming a double barreled sawed off shotgun passive... But if he was holding it at his side or across his chest then yeah I would agree with that and the pose being passive. Eh, it isn't exactly an action shot. But, I suppose you could call it a 'causal' pose. I imagine him causally blowing away some dude in bad BDSM gear while walking forward.
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I never noticed that, and come to think of it, it's pretty offensive. Are they implying that men are dumb primitives only useful for fighting or what?quote:http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/60148/sku-down/60148
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I only just found out about this and now I'm kind of bummed. What are the odds of them doing something like this again?
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demota posted:I only just found out about this and now I'm kind of bummed. What are the odds of them doing something like this again? Something of this scale? Zero. This came out of nowhere and almost broke Reaper and Kickstarter. They changed the rules afterwards partially in response to it.
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Fortunately, they will be retailing all the models (IIRC there are few that were KS exclusive,) as Bones figs, as the whole thing was to raise capital for production. That sweet dragon that someone picked up for $10 on KS may retail at $30-40, but hey, you still get the bitchin' dragon.
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Feeple posted:Fortunately, they will be retailing all the models (IIRC there are few that were KS exclusive,) as Bones figs, as the whole thing was to raise capital for production. That sweet dragon that someone picked up for $10 on KS may retail at $30-40, but hey, you still get the bitchin' dragon. I think the giant dragons like Nethyrmaul and Kaladrax are gonna retail for $75 so the people that got them for $10 through the Kickstarter got a hell of a deal. I'm kicking myself for not getting either.
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Yea, I'm regretting not picking up a couple more of the dragons I skipped out on along with that big rear end Cthulu.
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I backed down from ordering all the dragons, but once I start seeing pics I may be banging down your door, LT.
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Does anyone else remember them estimating MSRP at ~2x KS pledge levels? I know there were a few things I passed on, thinking that I'd be saving  at most, but the $75 tag on Kaladrax really caught me off-guard.
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I don't remember that, but it's possible they just misjudged what the actual cost of the larger miniatures would be - I mean it's a new material and process for them, so that sort of error seems pretty believable. Ok, if they were saying 2x it would mean that they misjudged by a pretty wide margin. It just seems weird that they would develop and sell a line on the concept of 'holy poo poo this stuff is cheap' and then try to gouge people with it. I mean if they were selling those dragons for $50 instead of $75 they'd probably turn over considerably more.
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