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Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
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ThePriceJustWentUp posted:

We make too much of this racist angle. And the ones who make the racist angle the most well known are plenty racist themselves (Jews/Israelis).

Jesus Christ. I can't tell if your actually anti-semetic or just so far up your own rear end you don't realize what you are saying, and it doesn't really matter. If you ever find yourself saying poo poo like this you really need to reevaluate the thought process that led you to say "What about how racist the Jews are?" during a conversation about the Holocaust.

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Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

moths posted:

edit: More on-topic, how legit is the stuff I've seen about IBM helping manage the logistics of the holocaust?

Appropriately enough, IBM and the Holocaust is a pretty good read on the topic. While the Nazi's would absolutely have killed large numbers of Jews, Gypsies and other "undesirables" without IBM's help, IBM punchcard readers, and the Census data they provided, was vital to helping the Nazi's find all the people they wanted to murder.

There is no evidence that IBM in the U.S. knew about the Holocaust exactly as it was happening. However, IBM knowingly supported German efforts to track and identify Jews, Gypsies and others, both in Germany and in occupied territories up until Germany declared war on the United States. And this was after The New York Times had published headlines about how Jews were being disappeared from Germany.

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

If you had to be live somewhere in Europe as a Jew during World War 2 you really could do a lot worse than Italy. Besides Denmark they had they highest survival rate, a lot of it because there was widespread resistance to German deportation orders within the general Italian populous. I wrote an essay about it once and the gist of it was that because the Jewish population in Italy was relatively small and highly assimilated within Italian society the Germans had a real difficult time even finding the Jews they wanted to deport. Basically they couldn't tell the difference between an Italian and an Italian Jew because they weren't familiar with Italian culture in general, so it was much easier to hide. Combine that with the widespread feeling among the civilian population that the Germans had dragged them into a useless and unwinnable war so many people were willing to at least passively resist German occupation.

Serious question. How was the highest survival rate not Britan? Or did you mean on the continent? Under Axis control?

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