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Obdicut posted:Why on earth would you think that it's ignored in the academic world? And the 'mainstream media' generally acknowledges the other groups too. I can understand why. General knowledge on the holocaust is "Hitler/the Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews" and the number killed in the holocaust that gets frequently tossed around is 6 million, when that's the number of Jews only, and the Nazis killed almost an equal number of other ethnic/racial minorities and other "undesirables." Hell, looking back at my K-12 education I don't think there was a single mention of anyone other than Jews being killed by the Nazis in social studies/history until high school.
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Is there any substance to the idea that Germany would have won the war or at least been in a strong enough position to negotiate a ceasefire had Hitler been taken out early in the war (say, at the '39 Bürgerbräukeller attempt) and hadn't been able to make stupid decisions like attacking the Soviet Union or the North African campaign, ordering Rommel to commit suicide, not cutting Musolini off after he and pretty much the entire Italian military were proven time and again to be inept and constantly had to be bailed out or wasting resources on weapons and technology that while cutting-edge at the time were of little practical use or were delivered too late in the war and/or in insufficient numbers to make a real difference? Or is this just wild speculation on the part of alt-history buffs?
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Apr 1, 2013 21:51
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What was the deal with Rudolf Hess and his wacky adventure to Scotland? IIRC he mistakenly believed that some Earl or Duke in Scotland was a borderline Nazi sympathizer (or at least was against British involvement in the war) and attempted to fly to Scotland to negotiate a peace treaty between England and Germany. He ended up bailing out of his plane, was captured and spent the rest of the war in British custody, was convicted at Nuremberg and lived the rest of his life at Spandau and ended up committing suicide sometime in the 80s after a lifetime of failed attempts to do so. Allied doctors long believed he suffered from some form of mental illness or another, between the suicide attempts and his on again/off again claims of amnesia - which he attempted to use as a defense at Nuremberg, later recanted and admitted he was making it all up and then recanted again and claimed he couldn't remember anything despite having previously confessed to lying about it. When Hitler was informed of his leaving Germany he ordered him to be shot if he ever set foot on German soil again, so he wasn't acting on any official capacity - lending substance to the theory that he was a bit crazy. Geoj fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Apr 3, 2013 |
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Amused to Death posted:Wait, who is the unpublished author? Goebbels? Reading the wikipedia entry on him it sounds like "struggling author" would be a more accurate description: Joseph Goebbels Wikipedia Entry posted:After completing his doctorate in 1921, Goebbels worked as a journalist and tried for several years to become a published author. He wrote a semi-autobiographical novel, Michael, two verse plays, and quantities of romantic poetry.
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Apr 11, 2013 19:38
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Cowslips Warren posted:Was there ever a plan for Hitler to escape like some of the others did? Run off and hide in South America? Or was he set to suicide for reasons other than pride? IIRC the Nazis had a major redoubt somewhere in the Swiss Alps where they could have conceivably held out for years but never made use of it. There's no clear record of Hitler's final days, as most of the information regarding it was second-hand recounts from relatively low-ranking military personnel and civil servants (as much of the higher-ranking officials who were with him in the final days either committed suicide just ahead of the Soviet invasion or were shot by the Soviets afterwards,) but its generally accepted that Hitler's loose screws really came undone in the final weeks of the war and he adapted a "gently caress y'all, I'm out - I gave you everything and you hosed it all up" mindset. Geoj fucked around with this message at 05:21 on May 8, 2013 |
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May 8, 2013 05:18
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His parents and all of his siblings but one sister died right around the turn of the 20th century. The surviving sister was briefly detained by the United States following the war and lived out the rest of her life in Germany. A number of his first cousins weren't so lucky and were detained by the Soviets, most of them dying in custody. IIRC there was some discussion a few pages back about some blood relatives of one of Hitler's aunts/uncles living in the United States and being the last living blood relatives of the Hitler line, and how they are all past child-bearing age and have no children.
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Jul 5, 2013 21:18
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My wife randomly watched a documentary about five descendants of prominent nazis the other night - "Hitler's Children" (also available on instant queue) on Netflix. It was pretty interesting. I especially liked the son of Hans Frank, who took a complete  stance towards anyone who was even remotely sympathetic to the nazi movement, including his own siblings who (as he states in the documentary) attempted to deny the holocaust by claiming the math of number killed vs. how quickly you could burn bodies didn't line up and therefore was a vast conspiracy. Its a pretty good documentary if you have an hour to burn.
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Jul 14, 2013 05:27
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Didn't the nazis more or less play fast & loose with all of their silly rules when it suited them?
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Dec 10, 2014 07:07
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Considering the Italians could hardly fight their own battles without help from the Nazis I doubt they were in any position to fight them over Jewish civilians. Just look up how many times Mussolini had to be bailed out by Hitler when he bit off more than he could chew.
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May 6, 2015 20:28
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Nintendo Kid posted:Just look at former East Germany: it's still not doing as well as former West Germany with a full 25 years of official reunion and billions upon billions pent, and the two Germanies were way closer in infrastructure, wealth, etc than North and South Korea are today. This. East Germany, for all of its faults, at least didn't have a vast majority population whose skills consisted of dirt farming, political prisoner or "more bodies than the enemy has bullets" soldier. North Korea for multiple generations has largely been stuck where they were in the 40s/50s - a largely agrarian economy with few high-skill workers.
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May 15, 2015 05:53
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North Korea and nukes are the other reason nobody wants to topple the Kim regime - sure, it's highly likely that their  nuclear tests a few years ago were just a shitload of conventional explosives with enough radioactive material mixed in that nobody would be able to tell the difference from the real deal (at least from a distance,) but nobody wants to roll the dice on the off chance that they actually do have a nuclear weapon.
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