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raven4267
May 7, 2009
This is a question about the politics/economy of nazi Germany. I got into a big argument with a family member when he referred to President Obama as a commie/nazi, and I told him that statement was ignorant and stupid. He swears that the nazi's were left wing socialists and that the only reason that Hitler and Stalin were rivals was due to them being power hungry. After much argument I got him to admit that the nazi's were right leaning socialists??? I don't really know the much about the details of Nazi Germany's politics or economy, and I felt I was wasting my breath, so I pretty much just gave up the argument. I was hoping you could give me some insight into this issue.

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raven4267
May 7, 2009

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

nazism was a combination of conservatism and socialism. it was born out of the push towards ultra conservative German nationalism in the wake of world war i. the 'socialist' elements (universal health care for example) were intended to make the party appealing to the average german worker, and were a product of the recognition of the economic realities of the 1920s and 1930s. many economists believed that the only way for countries to rise out of the great depression was through a planned, government-led economy. the first nazis were extraordinarily conservative, and a fundamental tenet of nazi ideology was the idea of volkisch thought -- the supremacy of the german (aryan) race within the competition between races.

the reason hitler and stalin were rivals were because they were fundamentally opposed. hitler looked at communism as a vile, jewish ideology that must be stamped out. he viewed the russian people as a mass of slavic hordes who were poised to invade europe and destroy the gory of german civilization and 'kultur'. the reason the war on the eastern front was so harsh was because it was more than a simple conflict, it was a clash of two competing ideologies which were mutually exclusive. only one could survive.

hitler's 'vision' of the world involved a german sphere of influence that would extend over france and east into russia up to the urals. the captured eastern european territory would be converted into farm land, and the existing populations would be worked to death constructing german towns. these towns would act as collection points for crops, allowing germany to be agriculturally self sufficient, and act as a bulwark against the slavic hordes east of the urals. britain would remain independent, but would be a trade partner and ally of germany. the united states would conceivably be a part of this anglo-saxon coalition. the jews would be wiped out.

i'm sorry to have to tell you this, but it sounds like your family member is a moron. if obama was a 'commie/nazi' then your relative would be put up against a wall and shot.

Thanks for the explanation. I pretty much told him the same thing, with a lot less detail than your explanation. Just as you said, my basic understanding was that the socialist elements of fascism/nazism were to make the party appealing to the average German. I also told him that you can't really be a socialist if you only provide government programs to one specific group of people while you busy are murdering every other group. If I recall correctly, some of the socialist programs such as universal healthcare were started way before Hitler even came into power. I think that he believes that because the Nazis called themselves "National Socialists", that meant that they were ultra left-wing on the political scale.

No need to be sorry, I completely agree with you about my uncle. He is a tea-bagging moron. I think he listens to Glenn Beck too much and that is where he gets his ideas from. I should know better to get into political arguments with him, but I took great offense to that statement.

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