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One semi popular plan was to simply send all Jewish people into the wastes of Siberia after Germany was done conquering Russia. In the hope that everyone would starve and/or freeze to death.PittTheElder posted:and they assumed the other powers of the world (namely, Britain) would be happy to go along with this, the Jews being Jews and all. Hitler absolutely adored Britain and everything about it and for a long time he hoped for an alliance with Britain. The reason Hess went to the UK to try to broker a peace deal was because he knew this and was trying to "work towards the Fuhrer".
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Frostwerks posted:Whoa guys, let's not go around talking poo poo about all the nazi's positive achievements. You know, things like: Triumph of Will was pretty well shot and I guess maybe entertaining if you like watching a large number of dudes in silly outfits marching around in an orderly fashion. So there's that. Also regarding Germany becoming a "superpower": The government had been covertly bringing the military up to it's previous strength despite not really being allowed since only a few years after the war, Hitler just did it publicly and kicked things into high gear. Also despite what a lot of people think the hyperinflation fiasco ended in 1924, almost a decade before the Nazis took power, and Hitler and his cronies had nothing to do with solving it. The German economy wasn't bad all things considered from then until the Great Depression. e: Gumby posted:
The Hutus did (allegedly) get a lot of assistance from the French with that which I expect makes things run a lot smoother FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jun 28, 2013 |
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celestial teapot posted:Given that Hitler spoke openly about wanting to outlaw all the other political parties even before he came to power, why did any other political organization negotiate with him at all? That should have triggered them all to lock arms and do everything possible to keep him out, shouldn't it? Most of the people actually interested in working with the Nazis were themselves authoritarians who agreed that certain political parties should be banned. They also assumed that the Nazis, being a bunch of dumb brutes in silly uniforms, would never be able to gain enough power to actually do much. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jul 8, 2013 |
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The Irish not being proper white people was only really a thing in Britain, as justification for the colonization of Ireland, and America, as anti-immigrant rhetoric, and in America at least it wasn't really a popular view by the time Hitler became a person of interest. I doubt Germans of that era ever gave much thought to the Irish at all.
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Antisemitism was pretty controversial among various fascist movements. It wasn't very widespread in Italy and there were even a number if Jewish fascists. Mussolini doesn't seem to have cared much as there weren't any German style antisemitic laws until he was pressured by Hitler. In Scandinavia there was a number of different views on the matter, those groups that were influenced by Nazism were of course the most fervently antisemitic while some saw this as a negative foreign influence and a barrier to the creation of a pure Nordic ideology and the groups that were more Italian influenced seem to have been slightly less prone to antisemitism. In Britain the British Union of Fascist were criticized by their opponents in the Imperial League of Fascist for not being antisemitic enough and called "kosher fascists" and "The British Jewnion of Fascists". Most in the BUF took the view that Jews were not inherently wicked and that those who were assimilated into British society were British while those who had emigrated more recently and/or held onto their old "non-European" culture were inferior not because of race but because of that culture. So the disagreement between the BUF and the IFL, who believed Jewish inferiority and vice to be racial, is basically clash between modern scientific racism and an older form of cultural racism. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 07:23 on May 11, 2014 |
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meat sweats posted:This is overstating the case dramatically -- all conspiracy theory-based movements are anti-Semitic as anti-Semitism in the late nineteenth century is where the conspiratorial mindset originated. The BUF certainly was open about their dislike of Jews and certainly engaged in any number of street brawls with Jewish groups. That other factions in fascism tried to gain followers by claiming to be more anti-Jew isn't surprising. Communist groups splinter over who hates capitalism and the U.S. more all the time, it doesn't mean any of them aren't actually Communists to begin with. Mosley loved to say things like "of course I don't think all Jews are born bad, it just coincidentally happens that right now every Jew in the world is a Bolshevik." In the context of British politics, this was a necessary phrasing -- Jewish political equality had been a reality in the UK since 1858 and England had a much weaker tradition of religious anti-Semitism than Germany, due to the fact that it had zero Jews in the country at the time when the Reformation happened. But, everyone knew what he meant and certainly no Jews or liberals were fooled about what their fate would be under a BUF government. Yeah but in my defense I was posting from a phone and very tired. The only book I've actually read on the BUF is by Richard Thurlow and his view is that even though the BUF became increasingly anti-Semitic as time went on this wasn't as central to their overall ideology as it was in other British fascist movements. Any recommendations for further reading?
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May 11, 2014 22:31
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Thousands of communists and radicals were already in concentration camps by 1934 and many more fled the country so the sort of people who would have been the most active in resistance against the Nazis were basically out of the picture.
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One of Hitler's favorite film directors, Fritz Lang, was sort of Jewish. Lang was raised Catholic but his mother had converted from Judaism. Goebbels apparently told Lang in the early days of the regime that the style and content of Nazi cinema would be largely based on his films. Lang's film The Testament of Dr. Mabuse was banned when the Nazis took power because it's depiction of terrorism was thought to be subversive and the titular villainous doctor parrots various Nazi phrases throughout the film. According to Lang Goebbels called him personally to inform him that the film had been banned but since his filmography was still seen as the pinnacle of German cinema by Hitler he could get a prestigious position as the head of UFA. Whether this actually happened is a but fuzzy since it was not mentioned by Lang until years later. Lang did leave the country in 1934 not wishing to risk being caught being sort of Jewish in Nazi Germany.
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This also seems to imply that the German Jews somehow weren't real Germans. Why else would it be totally reasonable for them to just leave their homeland and move to an entirely different country where most people speak a totally different and barely related language to both German and Yiddish.
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Apr 20, 2015 04:09
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Offer your friend 4 bucks to move to Mexico and leave all his possessions behind. If he says no spray some gas on him and if he says anything deny you did anything.
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Apr 21, 2015 05:47
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Martin Luther's "On the Jews and Their Lies" was a huge influence on the Nazis.
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Antisemitism wasn't as much of a thing in Italian fascism as it was in the German verity. Sure there was plenty of antisemites in the fascist party but there were also some Jews and Mussolini didn't start persecuting the Jews until he was basically pressured into it by the Germans. Similarly in Britain the fascist parties were very split about the issue of antisemitism. The largest party, The British Union of Fascists, was primarily influenced by Italian fascism and was seen by some of the other fascists parties such as the Imperial League of Fascists for not being sufficiently antisemitic and were called "kosher fascists" and "The British Jewnion of Fascists". The were some antisemitic elements within the BUF but the brand of antisemitism they adhered to was more of the older cultural variety than of the newer racial one practiced by the Nazis. They did become increasingly antisemitic as time went on the party became more German influenced but that might have been a largely populist move. In the Nordic countries there was a very similar divide between parties that were influenced by Italy and those who looked to the 3rd Reich with the latter usually putting a much heavier emphasis on "racial hygiene" and antisemitism. I recall reading something about there even being a few parties that opposed racial antisemitism on the grounds that it was a foreign idea imported from Germany but I haven't been able to find a lot of info as my Danish is quite rusty.
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