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Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

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And in order to ensure 'compatability' between the idiocy NuWW is putting in their unreleased 5th Edition, they now insert sidebars and other content into OPP's 20th Anniversary/defacto 4th Edition books. And I do mean idiocy - the guy in charge at NuWW thinks phrases like 'full rear end-rape stiffness' are the cutting edge of mature fiction.

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Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

Plutonis posted:

It definitely should. VtM, Kult and other badarse 90s games are better stuff than most of the crap the industry churns out today.

Let the record show that forums user Plutonis is in favour of the Full rear end-Rape Stiffness edition of Vampire.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
But... Cappadocius became a wraith. Also you've gotta tell me what those sections were. I have to know.

Oh, god, I'm turning into a loving grognard.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
Goddamnit so did Ignatius! Ignatius definitely did not achieve loving Golconda!

Loomer fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jan 3, 2018

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

MachineIV posted:

Cappadocius achieved Golconda. Objectively. It’s indisputable fact according to Martin.

And god... I’ll have to look it up because it’s been a while. I wanna say there was a bit on ghoul creation and stuff that got chopped? Also most of the material on Vicissitude. A lot of Dark Thaumaturgy stuff. There was a pretty significant section about Golconda ironically. It all got cut. About half the total material on Lilith got cut.

I'm always greedy for cut material that may shed light on things for the project, really, but in this case I have got to see Martin not knowing the prior product that badly. I need that level of laugh.


Kwyndig posted:

Since when did you need a soul to become a wraith anyway? Since when don't vampires have souls and how do they get around without them?

Pretty much forever on the needing a soul part, as you are a remnant soul - more or less, anyway.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
:perfect:

remusclaw posted:

People with serious opinions about canon having the last word on what goes into an anniversary product is never going to end well.

Doubly so if those opinions are based not on the actual canon, but on the bizarre divergent universe built up by a LARP.

Loomer fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Jan 3, 2018

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
Time for a reminder that due to the metaphysics of Werewolf, 'gently caress humanity' is basically the worst decision a tribe can make. It's why a lot of Revised went into exploring whether tribes truly hated mankind or just mankind's potential for evil/etc.

This is because, for those not familiar, the basic fight of Werewolf is against the forces of the Wyrm, and the single most numerous force - banes and fomori - is spawned by human misery. It might take ten fomori to down a werewolf in a fight - but it only takes one to bring about events that spawn a lot more. So this whole 'nah mankind sucks, we won't help them' thing is basically desertion from the fight. It's going 'hey, you know what sounds like a good idea? Letting humans suffer indiscriminately in the exact ways that will spawn many of our enemies, who already have an advantage of numbers, while eroding our number of possible allies in the fight!'

It's the dumbest thing, and every time a 1/2E Werewolf fan goes 'the impergium is objectively good' or 'why help humans' or 'werewolves shouldn't care about gay rights' they're showing that they completely missed a basic truth of the cosmology. Human suffering = more banes = stronger Wyrm.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

sexpig by night posted:

My favorite is how the Red Talons, explicitly the most Wyrm aligned tribe who are VIOLENTLY anti-human even agree 'well yea we need to kinda protect those idiots from themselves even if they're stupid monkeys who probably are gonna destroy the world being stupid monkeys'.

But no let's hear more about how the tribe all about helping the victims of the patriarchy, doing cool poo poo like showing up as crazy gay biker ladies to escort abused women to safety and junk, and taking in Metis cubs who have been kicked out and all, actually don't give a poo poo about others. Gee I wonder why they picked the Furies to get this treatment and not assholes like the Get who, if I remember right, HAD NAZIS.

They had Nazis, then they didn't have Nazis when Revised rolled around because the developers went 'what in the gently caress were we thinking' at the time. And because, in-universe, the Garou recognized that 'let the nazis beat the poo poo out of you, that's how you win' is nonsense and 'beat the poo poo out of the nazis first' is a much better option.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
For the direction of a 'lead storyteller' who likes to rant about maturity, it's deeply ironic that the 'mature' tack of NuWolf eschews actual mature responses to complicated issues ('human suffering = more banes; but I can't claw the concept of human suffering to death yet. Time to establish a charity!') in favour of gunpoint forcing humans to gently caress wolves and poo poo.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

Darwinism posted:

It's also darkly funny in just recent historical context to again say that peaceful resistance is the best way to protest Nazis and to prevent them from gaining power.

That was sort of tried before.

Look, if all those anti-fascist street brawlers in interwar Germany had just done the sensible thing and let the Brownshirts kick them to death in the streets, we never would have had to fight World War Two.

So really, Hitler did nothing wrong. It was all Karl Höltermann's fault!

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
Wait, so I couldn't go to RPG.net and state that my opinion is that Matt MacFarland's conduct in moderating a thread about his own game to shut down conversation - an incredibly crystal clear conflict of interest - was unprofessional without being censured, because he's a game dev? Even leaving aside the rest of his grossly unprofessional conduct?

That is a terrible rule.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

Cessna posted:

No, but I'll certainly pass it along and say "here's something we should consider doing" and push for change.

Edit: I've done this for a few things from this thread already. I think a blanket "never moderate a thread on any game you've ever worked on" is a slam-dunk rule we should have had written out formally for years, and I think a more proactive explanation of how to handle harassment claims - and an avenue for handling them - is also an obvious change.

Not only should it have been a rule, it should have been an automatic demodding the second it first happened. It's such a blatantly obvious conflict of interest that it is inherently inconsistent with the trust placed in moderation staff on an ongoing basis.

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell

Sion posted:

Yeah if you wanna end out on a loving watchlist.

The things most tabletop gamers and DMs I know have googled will get us on watchlists anyway. I once had to google 'average volume of blood in a human infant' for a game, for instance, right before 'pulping human beings for blood' for one of my players. You think that doesn't get you on a special watchlist?

Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

A Very Special Hell
"Huh, this guy googled for both 'inspirational architecture' and 'd20 demolition manual'. Terrorist or gamer, you reckon? Oh, wait, no. He just googled for 'what the gently caress are prawns'. Just a goon."

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Loomer
Dec 19, 2007

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Yeah, I actually got tapped to DM a group of complete newbies because they watched Stranger Things. This is not a Dark Time for RPGs.

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