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Yeah, after our lineups were filled out the AHL fodder guys was long-winded and boring but it did amount to having full teams so it was kinda cool. I think if everyone wants to do another draft and run it through a sim, it would be cool, and we could do a season preview and list everyone's rosters and poo poo like that if you all wanted.
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I enjoyed the idea of the draft and a lot of the dialogue about players and how stupid we thought each other were, but this forum was the worst possible way to run that draft. No way that should have taken as long as it did. I don't think I could do it again.
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I am sorry that you guys didn't experience the same thrill as me drafting Lucas Lessio in the 2somethingth round.
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Late round drafting was cool but would have been cooler if we had allowed unsigned prospects
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Apr 18, 2014 00:24
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I'd be up for doing it again, It was really fun putting in the hours this time around, and I ended up with an awesome team at the end of it all (in my opinion). Probably should do an update on that..
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So can this happen while the playoffs are going on? I'd at least like to see who's in, or do we wanna wait until July 1 free agency? Problem with that is I'm leaving for an extensive US tour in mid-July. But should we start calling teams now? Obviously, I'd be in as New Jersey.
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If we're starting now I'm picking the San Jose e: However I would probably recommend making a new thread and pimping this in the Off Season and N/V threads to get some fresh blood, especially since some won't be coming back.
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I'd recommend waiting until the offseason but either way I'm in as the Detroyet Red Wings.
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May 4, 2014 07:57
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Yeah would be better to wait for the offseason. Summer Is Coming.
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May 4, 2014 09:09
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I'm switching to the Bruins this time.
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May 4, 2014 19:56
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Going with the Arizona Coyotes this time around.
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Thoughts on ignoring salary cap? We basically ignored it last time, because everyone was able to spend to the cap, and there aren't enough NHL salaries to have every team do that and have caps be an issue. Also - we drafting on the basis of next year instead of this year? And I'll redo Chicago unless someone really wants it, and am OK with starting early or later.
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May 5, 2014 14:48
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I'm Pro-Cap and pro-next year.
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Not having a cap kinda defeats the purpose, it's interesting to see how we value players based on their contracts.
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We should ignore the cap because it's so easy to stay under it. Wait, what? I didn't bother posting my cap numbers because I was like 10-15M under the old CBA's cap. Anyway, since Paulocaust is dead or something, I'd better get the Leafs this time. I don't really care when it happens, as long as there are 30 GMs making picks at a decent pace.
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I'd prefer to wait until the offseason, would prefer to have the cap, would prefer to draft using next years contract value (and some sort of bidding system for free agents) and would prefer to take the Flyers again.
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Good point, I think it would be a fun to start in early June and have our own entry draft, ~free agent frenzy~ and maybe something separate for unsigned prospects or just include them in the regular draft.
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eXXon posted:Good point, I think it would be a fun to start in early June and have our own entry draft, ~free agent frenzy~ and maybe something separate for unsigned prospects or just include them in the regular draft. Signing UFA's would be loving awesome, except how would we determine that? What if two teams offer max?
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:Signing UFA's would be loving awesome, except how would we determine that? What if two teams offer max? Rock paper scissors? I really don't think there are good enough UFAs this offseason to warrant max salary x 8 years. Max salary is what, 20% of a likely 69-70 million cap? Nobody is going to sign Gaborik to a 14M per deal, right? Right?? Anyway, highest total contract value is a simple enough rule for a winning bid. Someone clever can come up with another rule if you want to prevent a flood of 2M x 8 year offers beating out 5M x 3 years. Maybe just have diminishing returns for tacking on extra years, like total value = 100% year 1 + 100% year 2 + 90% year 3 + 75% year 4 ...
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Sticking with the Avs, whenever we decide to do this
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Didn't we just allow UFAs to be drafted last year as a kind of pick at your own risk sort of thing? Or was pretty much everyone signed? I can't remember.
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I'll do the Penguins again
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I'll be the Rangers, does this mean I need to go crazy with free agent spending?
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T-Bone posted:Didn't we just allow UFAs to be drafted last year as a kind of pick at your own risk sort of thing? Or was pretty much everyone signed? I can't remember. We started drafting while the lockout-shortened 12-13 season was ongoing, then said that we'd start our pretend league in 2012 as if the lockout never happened. So anyone with an expiring contract still had value, since they'd play out at least one full season, and anyone who wasn't signed at all wasn't eligible to be drafted in the first place. If we start in June and say we're drafting a team for an October 2014 start then there's no real reason to pick pending UFAs anymore. Maybe just say anyone who's unsigned by June 15th or whenever is assumed to be heading to UFA. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 5, 2014 |
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I'd be in favor of allowing UFAs to be drafted, as well as unsigned prospects. Like people are saying the cap didn't really come in to play, and it'd be weird if no one was drafting someone like Stastny or whatever.
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Yeah. The problem with bidding for free agents is, let's say five teams offer the same FA different deals, slightly different. Like who are we to say who would Tom Gilbert would sign with, the team giving him 3 years and $9 million or the teams giving him 2 years and $10 million, or something like that? Drafting pending UFA's is the way to do it. They have less long-term value but teams with cap space who think they can re-sign the guy (or even if they can't and want to win now) can take them.
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Why not just give assume all pending UFAs will sign for one year only and base offers on that.
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Part of the problem is that we were drafting with a higher-than-real cap and none of us had any salary limits. It would be more interesting to draft with a lower limit, around 63-65m which would allow all players to be drafted, but require actual cap management of teams.
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Jordan7hm posted:Why not just give assume all pending UFAs will sign for one year only and base offers on that. That's dumb, why would a 27 year-old UFA sign for one year with someone? And some teams will have long-term goals and some more short-term. And to the lower cap, I do like that idea. The problem is, guys like Perry and Lundqvist on a lower cap...
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:Yeah. The problem with bidding for free agents is, let's say five teams offer the same FA different deals, slightly different. Like who are we to say who would Tom Gilbert would sign with, the team giving him 3 years and $9 million or the teams giving him 2 years and $10 million, or something like that? Uhh, 2 years and $10 million is a higher total and average. Why would he take 3 x 3? I assume you mean how do you choose between a higher total value vs a higher salary on a shorter deal, and I gave one option of weighting salary in later years less. Anyway the CBA already limited contracts to 8 years max so it's not like we can offer infinitely long deals at league minimum. e: I also assume we'd be drafting a team for the start of the 2014 season since there's no lockout bullshit this time around. Why should anyone draft pending UFAs??
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eXXon posted:Uhh, 2 years and $10 million is a higher total and average. Why would he take 3 x 3? My point is, if a couple teams offer a guy the same or roughly the same deal, who gets him? How could we decide that? And pending UFA's have value because if they're good players, they'll be an asset the following season (we would be acting as if the upcoming season will be their last on contract), and if you think your team has a good chance to re-sign him then he's worth even more. Pending UFA's wouldn't be guys like Stastny, they'll have contracts by the time we do this. We woud be drafting guys who go UFA next summer as pending.
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:My point is, if a couple teams offer a guy the same or roughly the same deal, who gets him? How could we decide that? ... whoever offers the most money, just like I said! Brodeurs Nanny posted:And pending UFA's have value because if they're good players, they'll be an asset the following season (we would be acting as if the upcoming season will be their last on contract), and if you think your team has a good chance to re-sign him then he's worth even more. Pending UFA's wouldn't be guys like Stastny, they'll have contracts by the time we do this. We woud be drafting guys who go UFA next summer as pending. Stastny might not be signed before the draft. I'm talking about guys who are planning on going to UFA, which could well include Stastny. Why would we draft those? Whoever's unsigned by the draft is probably not going to re-sign before UFA begins, with a few exceptions.
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First off, we are waiting until after free agents have been signed. He will be signed. Secondly, am I not being clear? Team A offers guy 4 years $12 million. Team B offers guy 4 years $12 million. Team C offers guy 4 years $12 million. Who gets him? Bidding is gonna be weird also because what if one team offers the same AAV over 5 years and one offers a slightly higher AAV of 3 years? I just doubt we will wind up with a single unanimous "most money" offer out of 30 teams trying to manage their cap.
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:First off, we are waiting until after free agents have been signed. He will be signed. There will always be unsigned free agents. I think it would be more fun to sign our own dumb contracts than to let the NHL market determine the values for some of the top guys and just toss out whoever's left unsigned. Last August, that included Grabovski, Brunner, Morrow, Cleary (lol), Hejduk, Selanne, Gagne, Raymond, Prospal, Wellwood (  ) Hainsey, Dog Murray (double lol), Ian White (), Thomas and Bryzgalov (the most  ). I'm sure we could live without similar calibre players but I would be more curious to see what people would offer Stastny, say.Brodeurs Nanny posted:Secondly, am I not being clear? Team D, who is smart enough to offer 4 years, $12.01 million instead of round numbers. Brodeurs Nanny posted:Bidding is gonna be weird also because what if one team offers the same AAV over 5 years and one offers a slightly higher AAV of 3 years? I just doubt we will wind up with a single unanimous "most money" offer out of 30 teams trying to manage their cap. I already talked about this.
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If you want to do FA signings you just do it like Yahoo Fantasy Bid does. You bid until people stop bidding.
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T-Bone posted:If you want to do FA signings you just do it like Yahoo Fantasy Bid does. You bid until people stop bidding. I would never do it because it would take like two years but a straight auction draft with real cap would be awesome. But yeah I don't see why we couldn't try bidding on FA's I suppose. After the drafted players of course.
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:That's dumb, why would a 27 year-old UFA sign for one year with someone? And some teams will have long-term goals and some more short-term. Because it's a fair way of doing it. You can just pretend that their contact was for that and a year away from expiring. Last time worked because we were going for a season that had already happened, and we were able to sign based on deals that had already happened. Not everyone will be signed on July 1. Lots of guys won't be signed until next season starts.
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we dont follow the team past this year anyways before we re-do the entire thing so other than bragging rights or claims at future stability, who cares if the player's signed for another year or another fifteen years i mean at the very worst it's a footnote in the guy's conclusion at the end of the year when he says "and jvr's probably heading to free agency or getting a raise after his 75 goal season" or whatever and i dont think people will care that much edit: if we want we can quickly hash out what we think the top 10 ufas are gonna get on the market and assume the rest are extended at current teams for a year. callahan 6m stastny 7m does anyone else matter? Verviticus fucked around with this message at 02:04 on May 6, 2014 |
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