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God I hate anti-vax poo poo. Because even if it had ALL the effects mentioned, you know what's worse than autism? Polio. Rubella. loving Smallpox. Do you people think one of the most deadly diseases in history, one which has plagued us for millennia at the least, just one day decided to retire? No! We loving murdered every last bit of Smallpox we could find! We committed global genocide of the Smallpox viruses, and we did it with vaccines!* *Okay we have a couple of carefully guarded reserves still around but nobody has died of Smallpox in thrity-five years holy poo poo
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nucleicmaxid posted:fake edit: What's a to-be list? Why yes, I do have lot of people on my Facebook from high school days who took out six-figure loans to get their MBAs while calling themselves "client influx managers" when in reality they work as greeters at the Wal-Mart.
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Austrian mook posted:from a little while back, but what does this mean? I assume you're talking about TERF? Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. The type of person who does something like this:  "Feminists" whose arguments as to why transwomen are men (and then use that claim to partner with groups that manufacture "bathroom scares") often boil down to the same gender essentialism arguments that misogynists use to justify their hatred and oppression of women in the first place.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:I assume you're talking about TERF? Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. The type of person who does something like this: Oh, so one minority putting down another minority, makes sense. It's actually a really common occurance.
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Austrian mook posted:Oh, so one minority putting down another minority, makes sense. It's actually a really common occurance. It's a little beyond "putting down" when it comes to Brennan and her ilk. She's outed trans people to their employers and schools, contacted their doctors to attempt to interfere in their treatment (even when that treatment is not directly related to their being trans), threatens lawsuits against anyone who criticizes her publicly, and that group she partnered with which drove a teenager to suicide watch? I guess she put aside her fears of the imminent lesbian annihilation long enough to be OK with the fact that they're an ex-gay group that thinks that her lesbianism was caused by sexual abuse and thinks she should undergo conversion therapy. (EDIT: I know she claimed to not have any affiliation with PJI, but she spoke on their behalf after the fact and she's not exactly picky who she stands or works with as long as they hate trans people as much as she does) No, really. It's not just "putting down". It's literally trying to destroy another minority. Kugyou no Tenshi has a new favorite as of 09:42 on May 6, 2014 |
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May 6, 2014 09:39
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Austrian mook posted:Oh, so one minority putting down another minority, makes sense. It's actually a really common occurance. It's called horizontal hostility, but this woman is reaching psychotic levels.
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May 6, 2014 12:01
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Janice Raymond, c. 1979 posted:I contend that the problem with transsexualism would best be served by morally mandating it out of existence. There's been a lot of thread worthy stuff from these sorts of women attack anyone who dares say hello to a trans woman, but it's the first time I've seen someone literally advocate tighter controls on estrogen to score a point on trans people. Of course, bringing up stuff like the Jane Collective, buyer's clubs, or abortion flights in Ireland didn't seem to change her mind.
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Mister Adequate posted:God I hate anti-vax poo poo. Because even if it had ALL the effects mentioned, you know what's worse than autism? Polio. Rubella. loving Smallpox. Do you people think one of the most deadly diseases in history, one which has plagued us for millennia at the least, just one day decided to retire? No! We loving murdered every last bit of Smallpox we could find! We committed global genocide of the Smallpox viruses, and we did it with vaccines!* In other news, didn't the WHO recently declare polio to be an international emergency? Polio in 2014; and these people are still arguing that vaccines are bad. And the only people they're putting in danger with this poo poo are their kids.
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May 6, 2014 12:15
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FrozenVent posted:In other news, didn't the WHO recently declare polio to be an international emergency? Polio in 2014; and these people are still arguing that vaccines are bad. If only - more unvaccinated kids means less herd immunity, so they're endangering everyone else's kids as well.
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Yeah good point - what I meant to say is that they're not really putting themselves as risk (Until they get really old and depend on herd immunity)
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Buzkashi posted:If only - more unvaccinated kids means less herd immunity, so they're endangering everyone else's kids as well. This might be naive, but could schools insist on vaccinations? Could anti-vaccers be held legally accountable for the risk they pose to other people's children?
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FrozenVent posted:Yeah good point - what I meant to say is that they're not really putting themselves as risk (Until they get really old and depend on herd immunity) Except that they kind of are. Widespread use of vaccination literally eradicated smallpox. Every anti-vaxxer makes it hard to eliminate the other things that medical science is systematically destroying. Herd immunity isn't as much of an issue if a disease literally ceases existing. ThatPazuzu posted:It's called horizontal hostility, but this woman is reaching psychotic levels. What I'd like to know is how it even makes a single bit of sense. Last I checked one of the central values of feminism was "gender roles are dumb let's get rid of them." I'm pretty sure that enforcing gender identity at birth kind of goes against that. But then, I'm a straight, cisgendered human male so what do I know?
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ToxicSlurpee posted:What I'd like to know is how it even makes a single bit of sense. Last I checked one of the central values of feminism was "gender roles are dumb let's get rid of them." I'm pretty sure that enforcing gender identity at birth kind of goes against that. But then, I'm a straight, cisgendered human male so what do I know? That's a tenant of third wave feminism. TERFs are kind of stuck on the worst parts of second wave feminism, and on being discriminating asses. There are a lot of, sometimes highly visible, lesbians and straight women who see trans women as men trying to encroach on their hard won safe spaces. And yet again, trans men are either an afterthought or not thought about at all.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:What I'd like to know is how it even makes a single bit of sense. Last I checked one of the central values of feminism was "gender roles are dumb let's get rid of them." I'm pretty sure that enforcing gender identity at birth kind of goes against that. But then, I'm a straight, cisgendered human male so what do I know? When I've seen them rage about transpeople in comments on blogs, it seems that they think transwomen just want some of that awesome female superiority and that's wrong and bad, etc. Also, they think transmen are wrong and bad for abandoning feminist ranks and going to get some of that awesome male superiority. It's ridiculous that they are revealing just how much internalized misogyny they have and how insecure they are.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:What I'd like to know is how it even makes a single bit of sense. Last I checked one of the central values of feminism was "gender roles are dumb let's get rid of them." I'm pretty sure that enforcing gender identity at birth kind of goes against that. But then, I'm a straight, cisgendered human male so what do I know? Trans are sort of reinforcing the idea that intrinsic gender roles DO exist, in opposition to some schools of feminism. "I am a woman, and I want to wear skirts and makeup like women do" is implicitly imposing gender norms on cis women. People who merely want to be gender queer or androgynous and be pretty men who wear skirts and make up are not a threat in the same way a transwoman is. Wanting abolish gender roles means everyone is free to be as "masculine" or "feminine" as they like, but penis-havers still have to use the men's bathroom.
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grittyreboot posted:This might be naive, but could schools insist on vaccinations? Could anti-vaccers be held legally accountable for the risk they pose to other people's children? Public schools mostly do require certain vaccinations. You can get an exemption for medical or religious reasons. A medical exemption requires a form from the child's doctor explaining their medical condition and why it would be medically unsound for that child to be vaccinated. If it isn't clear, the school can further question why a medical exemption is warranted. A religious exemption requires a note from a parent saying "vaccines are against my religion".  They usually do not have to state what religion they are, or point out any specific religious doctrine that is opposed to vaccination. So basically anyone that is willing to lie about their religion has a free pass.
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Why would you add this as a life event?
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Probably to get someone to offer a place to stay without directly asking.
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Yeah I'd say that counts as a major life event, and reaching out to your social network and going "Hey guys, I don't have a place to live" seems like a pretty smart thing to do.
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Shelf Adventure posted:Am I meant to read "SPOIL HIM!" in the mortal kombat guy's voice? Because that's totally what I'm doing. I posted the same thing earlier in the thread.  
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On the anti vax thing. I do volunteer work with a group that among other things looks after a local cemetery. There are some pretty old graves in there, mostly pre war and many dating back to the 1800s. Look at a few of those and then try to claim "children's bodies have everything they need to keep them healthy"; the number of infants graves, or family graves with multiple babies and toddlers dying just a few years apart will tell a very different story. Babies dying today is actually pretty rare in the developed and even much of the partially-developed/rapidly developing world. Before widespread vaccination, clean water and availability of antibiotics (and even today in regions where one or more of those things is not available), it was expected that many or even most babies would not see their fifth birthday. I was speaking to an older fella at work today, and his grandfather had SEVEN siblings who had died in infancy.
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  This person is taking a stand on an important issue you should know about.
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May 6, 2014 17:11
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Subway probably won't understand what she's trying to tell them if she writes letters of complaint like she writes on FB. Guy might get a raise.
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 No! Why is she posting this? She's never posted stupid stuff before. I know this isn't terrible in comparison with the other ignorant stuff in this thread. But I never expected to see a "Guv'ment wanna take are guns" meme from her.
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I thought their bacon was already cooked, and they were merely rewarming it?
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Orgophlax posted:I thought their bacon was already cooked, and they were merely rewarming it? It is cooked, but perhaps it isn't stored at a safe temperature? That would be a pretty dumb thing to do though.
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Chiparus posted:When I've seen them rage about transpeople in comments on blogs, it seems that they think transwomen just want some of that awesome female superiority and that's wrong and bad, etc. Also, they think transmen are wrong and bad for abandoning feminist ranks and going to get some of that awesome male superiority. This exactly, tbh the reasons TERFs hate trans women is the exact same reason that they harass any cis woman who they see as conforming to "patriarchal standards of femininity" They harass women who wear heels, women who are sex workers, basically any woman who doesn't defy gender norms (I.e. dress and act butch/masculine); they've internalized misogyny where they abhor anything they see as being remotely accepting or embracing of femininity. basically, terfs are the worst most anti-feminist feminists around. 
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Angela Christine posted:It is cooked, but perhaps it isn't stored at a safe temperature? That would be a pretty dumb thing to do though. Well even if it is stored at a safe temperature, it's probably a "better safe than sorry" thing just in case something was messed up and not keeping it at the temperature it was supposed to.
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nippythefish posted:I'm confused as to how you make a "melt" without heating up the ingredients? I'm confused as to how an actual human being prefers bacon to be cold.
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Chomp8645 posted:I'm confused as to how an actual human being prefers bacon to be cold. Well, I find cold bacon better in a BLT, for example. But in a melt, usually it's better warm.
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For the subway thing, the subway melt, is a hot sandwich, hence the melt. If she didn't want it hot she should have ordered The subway club. This is probably why Te employee was confused. 
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Angela Christine posted:Trans are sort of reinforcing the idea that intrinsic gender roles DO exist, in opposition to some schools of feminism. "I am a woman, and I want to wear skirts and makeup like women do" is implicitly imposing gender norms on cis women. People who merely want to be gender queer or androgynous and be pretty men who wear skirts and make up are not a threat in the same way a transwoman is. I wouldn't agree with that. I think I've linked it before, but Prasad has a good takedown of it. https://www.dropbox.com/s/jboufr1jvrp8i4a/Reconsidering%20the%20socio-scientific.pdf
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:"Feminists" whose arguments as to why transwomen are men (and then use that claim to partner with groups that manufacture "bathroom scares") often boil down to the same gender essentialism arguments that misogynists use to justify their hatred and oppression of women in the first place. Who's a what now?
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Stoatbringer posted:Who's a what now? TERFs and misogynists often use the same arguments. One of them is that a person's gender assigned at birth is immutable and that someone born in a male body is always male, and will/should do masculine things and so anyone (read: People who are transgendered) who is assigned male by birth and trying to become female is clearly trying to do so for less than savory reasons. Like sneaking into the women's restrooms, etc. Basically, it's justification to say there's no reason for transgendered people to exist.
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Aerofallosov posted:TERFs and misogynists often use the same arguments. One of them is that a person's gender assigned at birth is immutable and that someone born in a male body is always male, and will/should do masculine things and so anyone (read: People who are transgendered) who is assigned male by birth and trying to become female is clearly trying to do so for less than savory reasons. Like sneaking into the women's restrooms, etc. This is pretty much exactly what I was trying to say. I should also add that a lot of them use the exact same arguments that were used to justify hate and legal action against homosexuals - that gender identity other than your birth identity is a mental illness, that trans people are trying to "convert" other people (in this case, the claim is usually "obtaining sex through deception"), etc. Which is kind of hosed up when you see how many of them are lesbians. It all reeks of special pleading - "Those arguments weren't true when they were used against my minority, but you should totally try to wipe out this other minority because of them". Angela Christine posted:Trans are sort of reinforcing the idea that intrinsic gender roles DO exist, in opposition to some schools of feminism. "I am a woman, and I want to wear skirts and makeup like women do" is implicitly imposing gender norms on cis women. People who merely want to be gender queer or androgynous and be pretty men who wear skirts and make up are not a threat in the same way a transwoman is. TERFs - Brennan especially - don't give a flying gently caress about abolishing gender roles in toto, only for "women born women". That even comes down to spewing vitriol at self-identified "butch" lesbians, because it's OK to act like a stereotypical male, as long as you don't actually say that you're doing so.
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