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Bitchin Kitchen posted:Denise Mina's run is where the whole thing ends on the schadenfreude of someone losing a football match, right? I always liked that. (That was the only thing from that I liked.) Definitely Dillon for me. He's the best who ever did it. I dunno if he could have done Dangerous Habits but everything else is aces. I also like the people who drew the Milligan stuff - Camuncoli and Landini - just because they felt different. The Biz, too obviously.
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Man, I got pulled along for a long game when it came to Newcastle. See, I first encountered John when reading Swamp Thing trades, and his first main storyline there is that whole thing with the Invunche and the Brujas where he gains about half his ghosts from. Most of that crew were there at Newcastle, and John himself is kinda shaken up by it still. They all refer to it, without actually saying at all what happened. Then DC started releasing trades of Hellblazer, and I was trying to more or less read them in release order, not realizing that DC had different ideas, and collected issues and story arcs willy-nilly, not to mention the order my library got them (someone at my library at the time really loved graphic novels. The collection was fantastic and constantly growing). There was still a lot of talk about Newcastle, but nothing actually saying what the hell happened there. Then they released an issue filled with a bunch of old stuff filling in gaps, without actually saying on the back cover what the stories were. So I'm reading, and each story begins with it's cover shown on the right hand page, not blocking any part of the story. I had no idea issue #11 was in the collection, and I turn the page and see this, after years and years of reading Constantine:  I think I might have even dropped the book in shock.
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Bitchin Kitchen posted:Denise Mina's run is where the whole thing ends on the schadenfreude of someone losing a football match, right? I always liked that. (That was the only thing from that I liked.) Haha, that ties in with him defeating an abomination composed of a gang of football hooligans stitched together by playing the rivalries against each other so they literally tear themselves apart. Forget who it was now. I also love the story that Alan Moore met John once in a pub. Now, remember Alan is a wizard who has a magic cave and smokes a haystacks worth of weed a day along with god knows what else, so take it with a pinch of salt but he swears down John once came into a pub, smiled at him and walked out. Not a fella who looks like Sting, mind you. THE John Constantine. In issue 7 of Planetary (Fantastic run by Ellis about a world ever so slightly skewed from the comic book norm) they deal with their version of Constantine who, after faking his own death decides to re-invent himself in a fashion that fans of another brilliant book of Warren's may appreciate.  Spider Jerusalem
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I'm looking to buy some back issues to fill up my collection before I start venturing out to comic shops, SA Mart thread
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I also really liked that one panel in Morrison's Doom Patrol of The Hellblazer or whatever his hero name was.
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Is there a best way to collect Hellblazer? With it ending, I realized I really wanted to have the whole goddamn thing, since I've only read up to issue 200-something (whenever John's sister agrees to share Tony's torment in Hell. I've got a handful of trades and All His Engines, and I've read the majority of it in scans. It looks like on amazon i can buy a bunch of old trades, but they're finally putting out sequential ones, but it looks like it will be years before they catch everything up. Does Comixology or something have the full run?
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Sigma-X posted:Is there a best way to collect Hellblazer? With it ending, I realized I really wanted to have the whole goddamn thing, since I've only read up to issue 200-something (whenever John's sister agrees to share Tony's torment in Hell. I've got a handful of trades and All His Engines, and I've read the majority of it in scans. A good portion of it is collected in trades. You can get most of the missing issues on Comixology. Basically everything from 129 on is collected in trade. I also just looked and its all on Comixology bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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Lasher posted:Haha, that ties in with him defeating an abomination composed of a gang of football hooligans stitched together by playing the rivalries against each other so they literally tear themselves apart. Forget who it was now. That's in the very first story arc.
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Jedit posted:That's in the very first story arc. Issue #6. It's amusing.  
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"What do you do on Saturday lads?" is a pretty great example of what makes Constantine so great. It's a small line delivered with a smile on his face that sets off a poo poo show to his advantage.
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kujeger posted:Issue #6. It's amusing. This is by far one of my favorite parts so far in the series, I am only on issue 110, didn't get much reading done this weekend. Edit: The Transmet Hellblazer was another.
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Sigma-X posted:Does Comixology or something have the full run? I recently read through the entire run on Comixology, and it is missing like two issues from Jenkins run and the side stories like annuals and the graphic novel. I remember when I was a kid and read my first Hellblazer comic, "On the Beach". It blew my mind.
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Tiriganiaq posted:I remember when I was a kid and read my first Hellblazer comic, "On the Beach". It blew my mind. Christ, I still can't wrap my head around what that was supposed to be about.
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Genetic Toaster posted:Christ, I still can't wrap my head around what that was supposed to be about. Is that the one where he lives out a full trippy life and has a seagull son? I always wanted to like that issue but never truly could. It's just so...I don't think I get it, other than radiation is bad and people are paranoid.
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Rhyno posted:I'm going to jump in now and declare my love for the Azzarello run since I'm pretty much the only one in BSS who likes it. Team Azzarello, bro. Third best Hellblazer run behind Ennis and Delano.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:Team Azzarello, bro. Third best Hellblazer run behind Ennis and Delano. I think Jenkins and Carey at the least are both better then his.
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bobkatt013 posted:I think Jenkins and Carey at the least are both better then his. I haven't read all of Jenkins' run, but as with most Jenkins stuff, what I read did nothing for me (apart from digging the Sean Phillips art, anyway). Carey's run is very good, but it doesn't quite stand up to Azzarello's for me. I love the way Azz takes his overarching ultracomplex conspiracy angle from 100 Bullets and applies it to some truly dark, twisted unnamable things in the world of John Constantine.
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bobkatt013 posted:I think Jenkins and Carey at the least are both better then his. I agree with you here but I got to hand it to Azz, his arcs were nuts. I wasn't too into the over-arching story but if you look at some of those books individually, they are really pretty good, and downright chilling. The pretty Frusin art helps, of course. But I stand by my statement that Freeze's Over is near perfect. 9/10 The atmosphere of that story man. It drips off the page.
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Bitchin Kitchen posted:I agree with you here but I got to hand it to Azz, his arcs were nuts. I wasn't too into the over-arching story but if you look at some of those books individually, they are really pretty good, and downright chilling. The pretty Frusin art helps, of course. The one-off story with Steve Dillon on art with the former mercenaries that believe their friend's come back from the dead for revenge is absolutely killer. Like in 100 Bullets, I love the way Azzarello depicts this whole other world of equally crazy stories going on on the sidelines.
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Hot drat! I forgot about and love that issue. I am going to go read it right now.
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I just looked it up and I think it's #157, "...And Buried?" Great issue, wish I had the trades handy.
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Azz's overarching story is awesome because the evil mastermind behind everything is Bruce Wayne.
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Adam Strange posted:Azz's overarching story is awesome because the evil mastermind behind everything is Bruce Wayne. Specifically, a gay Bruce Wayne. That Constantine has sex with.
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I just finished that issue and here are some thoughts. The bits with the mercs are obviously the best. The undertaker hung himself and when the one gets up and yells "You see! You see what you started!" I don't think I ever liked Turro. The colorists on Hellblazer probably deserve a lot of the credit, looking through it. Steve Dillon was pretty good that particular day, too. Cover artists were always insane on that book, too. It's the one thing I can't get behind the most in the new 52 book. Those stupid superhero covers.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:Specifically, a gay Bruce Wayne. That Constantine has sex with. Not that shocking since they mentioned every now and then he had boyfriends.
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I really loved the issue with the dog poltergeist, I think it was? Really sad story.
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bobkatt013 posted:Not that shocking since they mentioned every now and then he had boyfriends. I know, I just think it's awesome though.
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The Hard Times arc though one of my favorites has the worst art I have ever seen in a comic
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Manwithastick posted:The Hard Times arc though one of my favorites has the worst art I have ever seen in a comic You should see his art in Hellboy it is awesome. I think the problem was he was drawing humans and not supernatural creatures.
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Corben's art was consistent at least. You just had to read it from the side so they didn't all look like homunculi edit: holy loly http://www.corbenstudios.com/Corbenstudios/comgallery/IMAG012A.JPG DEAD MAN'S SHOE fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Apr 27, 2013 |
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I understand there's no accounting for taste, but if you think Richard Corben's a bad artist, you don't know from good comic book art.
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:I understand there's no accounting for taste, but if you think Richard Corben's a bad artist, you don't know from good comic book art. I can not believe that he is 70 years old.
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bobkatt013 posted:I can not believe that he is 70 years old. I didn't know he was until just now. Makes sense I guess, he's been around forever. What a cool old dude.
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As much as I love the Ellis, Ennis, Moore, Delano and Milligan runs, it was Hard Time that got me into Hellblazer. As a self-contained arc it was a great introduction. Re-reading it, there's a lot of proto 100 bullets in Good Intentions, especially with Fruisin's work; You can see his work going from OK (but a bit off) at the beginning to amazing by the end. DEAD MAN'S SHOE fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Apr 28, 2013 |
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I grabbed Constantine #1 since I saw it at the local store and I've been reading Swamp Thing (which has completely surprised me with how great it is so far) to work up to Hellblazer. Not knowing anything about John Constantine other than what I've gleaned from reading forums for a while, what exactly do people not like about the new series? I've never heard of anyone involved with the book (kinda new at the whole modern comics thing) but I thought the art was pretty great and the writing wasn't super offensive or anything. Basically, as someone with nothing but a passing knowledge of the character, I liked the book and it made me want to read more.
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I don't really understand the name change to Constantine unless their trying to tie it in with the movie, Hellblazer was such a amazing name  . The other thing I am wary of is that under just a normal DC title and not Vertigo it could possibly limit them on subject matter.I'm going to give it a chance. I dug out my old Hellblazers and am rereading them.
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Really, my biggest issue with the new Constantine series is that they've taken Constantine from being a person who thinks he's the cleverest guy to walk the earth and who will do anything to prove it and shifted him to being more of a guy who's protecting the world from MAGICAL THREATS at WHATEVER THE COST!!!. The character just really does not fit in right with the rest of the DCU. It really isn't the worst thing going on in the Nu52 right now, but it's really uninteresting and just kind of a slap in the face to fans of Hellblazer. One way I like describing Nu52 Constantine is that it's the difference between Picard in TNG, and Picard in the TNG movies. They're still technically the same guy, but they are fundamentally different characters at their core.
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Belmont Geoffrion posted:Really, my biggest issue with the new Constantine series is that they've taken Constantine from being a person who thinks he's the cleverest guy to walk the earth and who will do anything to prove it and shifted him to being more of a guy who's protecting the world from MAGICAL THREATS at WHATEVER THE COST!!!. The character just really does not fit in right with the rest of the DCU. It really isn't the worst thing going on in the Nu52 right now, but it's really uninteresting and just kind of a slap in the face to fans of Hellblazer. There is also the fact the Constantine I know thinks of all the superheroes as a bunch of wankers and wants nothing to do with them. Also the fact that he knows better to ally with people as they will all die or betray him.
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Yeah I wasn't impressed at all I found it very lovely. It's just not the same person at all or character, where the gently caress is Chas, why is he in New York? What the gently caress, it was just stupid. So basically it's not Constantine anymore which is sad.
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Hollis posted:I don't really understand the name change to Constantine unless their trying to tie it in with the movie, Hellblazer was such a amazing name I think Constantine is more recognizable now than Hellblazer is because of the movie. I am just too 200 issues and Hellblazer would be more recognizable to me now.
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