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LtKenFrankenstein posted:I understand there's no accounting for taste, but if you think Richard Corben's a bad artist, you don't know from good comic book art. Well, that's us told. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you great comic art: 
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Jedit posted:Well, that's us told. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you great comic art: Corben is, in all fairness, usually better regarded for his genius with coloring, and how it accentuates his art, than he is strictly for his line art. The Den sequence in the Heavy Metal movie, for example, looked kinda garbage, but that wasn't really what one thinks of as Corben art even though that's what was used as a template. edit: basically, if that panel had been done up with Constantine in a sort of glowy caltrans orange skin tone and a mop of mottled blonde, it would, in fact, be great comic art. double edit: Think of the Colleen Doran issue in The Sandman: A Game of You. That's not bad art because of the penciled line work, it's bad art because the inker had to complete the issue in a day, likewise, Corben not doing painted art isn't exactly the best example of Corben art. Sizone fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Apr 28, 2013 |
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Yeah, the coloring in that one's a little weird, but I think some people are having trouble understanding that Corben is a horror artist first and foremost and his stuff is supposed to look very creepy and off-kilter. I think his fleshy weirdness suits that story very well.
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For me Hard Times looks like everybody is made out of Play-Doh (especially that Constantine in the example Jedit posted). I'm not entirely sure why. It might just be the coloring in it. I understand that it is a horror comic and he might be trying to make things look a little off, but all his humans look like that for me (at least that I've seen, I admit I'm not Corben expert). I don't think he's a bad artist, in fact I do recognize that he's good at what he does. He's just not for me, his art usually distracts me from the overall story. Which is a shame because Hard Times is the only part that I actually enjoy from the Azz run. I haven't read them in years though so maybe it's time to try it again and see if I enjoy it any more. I'm not a big fan of his work on Hellboy either though, so maybe I'm the one with the problem.
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Dr. Hurt posted:For me Hard Times looks like everybody is made out of Play-Doh (especially that Constantine in the example Jedit posted). I'm not entirely sure why. It might just be the coloring in it. I understand that it is a horror comic and he might be trying to make things look a little off, but all his humans look like that for me (at least that I've seen, I admit I'm not Corben expert). I don't think he's a bad artist, in fact I do recognize that he's good at what he does. He's just not for me, his art usually distracts me from the overall story. Which is a shame because Hard Times is the only part that I actually enjoy from the Azz run. I haven't read them in years though so maybe it's time to try it again and see if I enjoy it any more. Yeah, his characters do always have that kinda look to them, but certain tendencies have also become more pronounced in his work over time. But I love the funky look to his characters the same way I love the funky look to Frank Quitely's characters, and I'll gladly take artists with that kind of unique expressive approach over a hundred more conventional comic book artists. Though I still think his current stuff is pretty brilliant, if you want to really see him in his prime, check out his '70s stuff. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Apr 28, 2013 |
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Apr 28, 2013 14:52
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I'm still half convinced that the "Son Of Man" story was written by Ellis and mistakenly published under Ennis' name. Just the way it's written is very Warren and not at all Garth. The 4th wall breaking, the overall tone and especially the term "fuckpig" which I know Ellis favours.
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Apr 28, 2013 21:44
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It's not in the run down of issues but Grant Morrison filled in on Hellblazer on two issues in the early run that I really recommend.
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Apr 28, 2013 22:55
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Hollis posted:It's not in the run down of issues but Grant Morrison filled in on Hellblazer on two issues in the early run that I really recommend. 25,26, and 27 were fill ins by Morrison and Gaiman.
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Apr 28, 2013 22:57
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bobkatt013 posted:25,26, and 27 were fill ins by Morrison and Gaiman. Hold Me is pretty good. The older I get the less I like Gaiman's sensibilities though they were my favorite thing as a teenager, kinda the same with Milligan. But that one holds up, probably because it's very short and direct and seeing, you know, a lot of compassion and what is basically a happy ending in a Hellblazer comic makes for a nice contrast.
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Apr 28, 2013 23:40
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Does anyone know the complete differences between the new editions of the trades being released? If I have Rare Cuts does that cover what they put into Family Man, for example? I don't want to re-buy a bunch of stuff, but I will if there's something new in them, you know? How complete are your runs? I have the trades for almost everything except the Milligan run. (I just finished Hooked, it's pretty crazy) I'm slowly buying Jenkins issues in floppy. All this Hard Time talk makes me sad I lost my copy of that on a lend. Isn't it out of print, too?
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Bitchin Kitchen posted:Does anyone know the complete differences between the new editions of the trades being released? The new runs do not skip any issues. So 25,26, and 27 are part of the trade. The first trade also has some Swamp Thing issues. I also have every issue. I have them through trades and also floppies.
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Apr 29, 2013 13:54
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When Gaiman was writing on Hellblazer was he relatively new?
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Apr 29, 2013 13:57
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Flaggy posted:When Gaiman was writing on Hellblazer was he relatively new? He had already wrote a year of Sandman at that point.
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Apr 29, 2013 14:04
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Sizone posted:Hold Me is pretty good. The older I get the less I like Gaiman's sensibilities though they were my favorite thing as a teenager, kinda the same with Milligan. But that one holds up, probably because it's very short and direct and seeing, you know, a lot of compassion and what is basically a happy ending in a Hellblazer comic makes for a nice contrast. Yeah, I kinda feel the same way about Gaiman but Hold Me is probably one of the best things he ever did. The issue of Sandman where Constantine guest stars is really good too, Gaiman was very good with the more compassionate side of the character.
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Apr 29, 2013 14:19
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Sizone posted:Hold Me is pretty good. The older I get the less I like Gaiman's sensibilities though they were my favorite thing as a teenager, kinda the same with Milligan. But that one holds up, probably because it's very short and direct and seeing, you know, a lot of compassion and what is basically a happy ending in a Hellblazer comic makes for a nice contrast. What Milligan makes you feel like that? I re-read Shade and loved it from first issue to last. Also if you want sort of happy endings Jenkin's run is the one for you.
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Apr 29, 2013 14:21
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bobkatt013 posted:What Milligan makes you feel like that? I re-read Shade and loved it from first issue to last. Also if you want sort of happy endings Jenkin's run is the one for you. Not if you're a fan of Chantinelle, it isn't. 
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bobkatt013 posted:What Milligan makes you feel like that? I re-read Shade and loved it from first issue to last. Also if you want sort of happy endings Jenkin's run is the one for you. Shade and, in particular Rogan Gosh. Rogan Gosh was one of my favorite things when I was younger and the last time I reread it I could barely get through it. I think Milligan's writing is just way more style than substance and he seems to exemplify the ethos of "Making all the characters gay will improve my alt-comic cred" a little harder than anyone else. It's not that he's bad, it's just that either my tastes have changed or I've had more exposure to stuff that I've liked better, or some combination thereof. Of course, I still really like Enigma, which embodies all the stuff I'm complaining about, so take it with a grain of salt. I usually hate happy endings, but they make for a nice change in Hellblazer. Like that line when Constantine is sitting in a bar and smiling over how a granddad is proudly watching his grandson chug a Coke like he'd chug a Guinness and Constantine remarks something like "Maybe nice stuff like that is going on all the time, but I don't notice it because all I ever see is poo poo." LtKenFrankenstein posted:Yeah, I kinda feel the same way about Gaiman but Hold Me is probably one of the best things he ever did. The issue of Sandman where Constantine guest stars is really good too, Gaiman was very good with the more compassionate side of the character. Oh yeah, Dream a Little Dream of Me. That's probably the best pre-Ennis Hellblazer. "Chas, keep the motor running and leave at the first sign of trouble. Your missus hates me enough as it is, let's not give her a reason to." Sizone fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Apr 30, 2013 |
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Sizone posted:Oh yeah, Dream a Little Dream of Me. That's probably the best pre-Ennis Hellblazer. That's tough. I love that issue, but I love Jamie Delano's Hellblazer too (also the early Grant Morrison fill in is really good).
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Sizone posted:Shade and, in particular Rogan Gosh. Rogan Gosh was one of my favorite things when I was younger and the last time I reread it I could barely get through it. I think Milligan's writing is just way more style than substance and he seems to exemplify the ethos of "Making all the characters gay will improve my alt-comic cred" a little harder than anyone else. It's not that he's bad, it's just that either my tastes have changed or I've had more exposure to stuff that I've liked better, or some combination thereof. Of course, I still really like Enigma, which embodies all the stuff I'm complaining about, so take it with a grain of salt. Hm, I'm with with you on Gaiman in that he's a dude I don't really care for anymore. I think Milligan is much harder to nail down in terms of 'sensibilities' though, since they (along with the quality of the comics he does) basically change depending on his collaborator. I haven't read any of his work with McCarthy yet (that Dark Horse hardcover this September will be my first foray into it) but X-Force and Enigma are like top 10 comics for me and I can't really that changing in the future. I found his Hellblazer to be pretty thoroughly enjoyable as well, even if it won't go down as one of his best comics.
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Sizone posted:I usually hate happy endings, but they make for a nice change in Hellblazer. Like that line when Constantine is sitting in a bar and smiling over how a granddad is proudly watching his grandson chug a Coke like he'd chug a Guinness and Constantine remarks something like "Maybe nice stuff like that is going on all the time, but I don't notice it because all I ever see is poo poo." He's actually in Ireland at the time and thinks "You don't see anything like that in London", or words to that effect. Dream A Little Dream Of Me is a Sandman issue, not Hellblazer. I guess you were talking about early Constantine appearances?
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What do people think of Eddie Campbell's issues? I wasn't that honestly impressed but then again he did follow Garth Ennis's unbelievable run so..
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Hollis posted:What do people think of Eddie Campbell's issues? I wasn't that honestly impressed but then again he did follow Garth Ennis's unbelievable run so.. I found them to be okay and they are pretty good setup for Jenkin's amazing run.
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Rereading through. #5, When Johnny Comes Marching Home is loving incredible. Discuss.
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Holy gently caress I take a break from comic books for a few months and they loving cancel Hellblazer? The longest-running continuously published Vertigo title. What the gently caress is wrong with DC? Why can't they leave Vertigo alone and only gently caress with their stupid cape books in the main line? Anyway, When Johnny Came Marching Home is a great story. I actually started reading Hellblazer with the first trade a number of years ago (I don't ever read floppies of anything) and I remember that story hitting especially hard. I honestly don't like Ridgeway's art at all, but it's kind of a product of its time thing and I just have a hard time looking at the linework and coloring the way it is. I've been buying and reading the Milligan/Camuncoli/Bisley trades as they come out, but I need to meet in the middle with everything after Original Sins. So far, though, from panels I've seen from the rest of the run or just knowing the other artists, Camuncoli is my favorite Hellblazer artist.
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Martello posted:What the gently caress is wrong with DC? What isnt wrong with DC would be a shorter answer.
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Martello posted:Holy gently caress I take a break from comic books for a few months and they loving cancel Hellblazer? The longest-running continuously published Vertigo title. What the gently caress is wrong with DC? Why can't they leave Vertigo alone and only gently caress with their stupid cape books in the main line? I am pissed at DC for cancelling Hellblazer but I am more pissed them for letting Karen Berger go. She was the editor behind Vertogo and everything good about the imprint can be put at her feet. gently caress DC pisses me off so much right now.
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bobkatt013 posted:I am pissed at DC for cancelling Hellblazer but I am more pissed them for letting Karen Berger go. She was the editor behind Vertogo and everything good about the imprint can be put at her feet. gently caress DC pisses me off so much right now. Its because they are getting absolutely murdered by anything Marvel right now and they feel they have to try to keep up. Anways, I got a little burned out on Hellblazer, I mean reading it front to end was driving me a bit crazy. I started reading it again last night, I am deep in an Ennis run so the writing at least is enjoyable. The coloring and the lines are driving me nuts though.
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Flaggy posted:Its because they are getting absolutely murdered by anything Marvel right now and they feel they have to try to keep up. Anways, I got a little burned out on Hellblazer, I mean reading it front to end was driving me a bit crazy. I started reading it again last night, I am deep in an Ennis run so the writing at least is enjoyable. The coloring and the lines are driving me nuts though. Yes but they have been getting murdered more by Marvel now. Also that has nothing to do with Karen Berger leaving, as she just edited Vertigo.
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bobkatt013 posted:Yes but they have been getting murdered more by Marvel now. Also that has nothing to do with Karen Berger leaving, as she just edited Vertigo. Ennis had a good point that Vertigo is/was basically a failure and for every Sandman or Fables, you had dozens of forgotten projects that didn't sell on top of that. He also talked about how DC have basically realized what Marvel have always known: that you can be complete assholes and still make money. DC has traditionally been the better company for creators rights (see: people actually getting paid royalties rather than "incentives") but things like Before Watchmen and the dismantling of Vertigo seem to point to them moving away from that. e: but it is pretty dumb as hell Adam Strange fucked around with this message at 16:50 on May 13, 2013 |
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The first arc of SuperConstantine is over. It wasn't that great, told us why John isn't allowed in London, and did some sort of interesting things with magical bad guys. I really like JLD and having a firm corner of a magical DCU and landing it on John makes sense but it's just going to be month after month of magical mystery tour with a long sub-plot about the Cold Flame, huh? I didn't realize how much the rest of the team was keeping my interest in JLD until they are gone. (The most recent issue with Flash helping them out was awesome.)
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Recently bought the newest ORIGINAL SINS, the one with the Swamp Thing issues. Always thought I might like Hellblazer and this thread only confirmed it. Also, I wish they hadn't used the Jim Lee cover. I like the actual art much more and it's a bit jarring to have something that ugly on the front.
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Baby Broomer posted:Recently bought the newest ORIGINAL SINS, the one with the Swamp Thing issues. Always thought I might like Hellblazer and this thread only confirmed it. Also, I wish they hadn't used the Jim Lee cover. I like the actual art much more and it's a bit jarring to have something that ugly on the front. I can't stand the new art and trade dress for the re-prints. The logo is terrible, like some dude just learned how to make textures and apply them to a embossed font. They look like mid nineties metal album covers. Volumes 1,2,6 are the worst. There is none of the grimy, eerie, sense of dread and paranoia that the old painted covers evoked. That being said I am still buying them and hoping that DC/Vertigo continues to publish all issues in order. Someday when I have a ton of extra cash I can get them rebound into the dusty leather tomes they deserve.
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sporklift posted:Someday when I have a ton of extra cash I can get them rebound into the dusty leather tomes they deserve. Sorry for the derail, but wait WHAT!? That's a thing I could do?
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Baby Broomer posted:Sorry for the derail, but wait WHAT!? That's a thing I could do? Yes it is, I saw someones blog that had done this, it looked amazing, but can't remember what blog, probably just google leatherbound my comics. I think it was pretty spendy.
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Baby Broomer posted:Sorry for the derail, but wait WHAT!? That's a thing I could do? I just realized someone did it with a Skyrim book.  
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Baby Broomer posted:Sorry for the derail, but wait WHAT!? That's a thing I could do? I know a few people who get all their single issues of comics bound into hardbacks. It's a thing.
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Baby Broomer posted:Sorry for the derail, but wait WHAT!? That's a thing I could do? It gets discussed/books shown off over in the Harcover/TPB thread. I just sold my old Bloodlines 'cause with the cash I can buy a few of the new trades. Looks like the new edition is skipping some issues too. 51,56,57. What's up with that? I was hoping they would print everything straight through. 1-300.
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I think Hellblazer has a couple of my all time favorite comic book moments ever. So sad to see it gone.
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kujeger posted:Issue #6. It's amusing.
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I'm at #7 on comixology, and I'm thinking I'd like these in print. Are these collected in any large hardcovers? Or just the individual trades?
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